Modern day Iraq map?

sgapaulmyers · Post by **sgapaulmyers** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:41 am

The thought of an Iraq map intrueges me, especially due to the divisions between Kurd, Sunnis and Shiites.

I find it all very fascinating, and I have contemplated drawing up a conquer club Iraq map.

However, the other part of me realizes that a war is going on there as we speak and many innocent people have lost their lives.

Would people be interested in a map like this, or does the fact that there is a war going on there make it hit too close to home?

kc-jake · Post by **kc-jake** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:46 am

Not yet... it's a little sore for some people still.

Although it's definitely not too soon to create a WTC map. Maybe have a map of the 4 airplanes as continents and the two towers... you know... something "in memory of"... don't forget the pentagon. And then the 3 planes hit the 3 buildings in the middle of the game and most of the armies die, and you fight over the rubble. Just an idea.

Too soon?

sgapaulmyers · Post by **sgapaulmyers** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:17 am

I think some people would have a harder time accepting that than my Iraq idea.

9/11 can be a very sensative issue for some people...

steve monkey · Post by **steve monkey** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:41 am

And the deaths of thousands of Iraqis isn't sensitive?
I think you've rather missed the point of KC-Jakes' post.

fighter1405 · Post by **fighter1405** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:40 am

I don't think either of the maps suggested in this thread should be created ... they are still sore areas for lots of people

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:22 pm

fighter1405 wrote:I don't think either of the maps suggested in this thread should be created ... they are still sore areas for lots of people

Agreed

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:37 pm

fighter1405 wrote:I don't think either of the maps suggested in this thread should be created ... they are still sore areas for lots of people

You realize kc was being overly sarcastic to tell him how bad of an idea the Iraq map is.

sgapaulmyers · Post by **sgapaulmyers** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:57 pm

ok then. i guess that was a bad idea. sorry i even brought it up

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:47 am

I'd play it if you made a good one.. .then again I dont get offended easy.

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:18 am

reverend_kyle wrote:I'd play it if you made a good one.. .then again I dont get offended easy.

Ur making one at landgrab rnt u. U sure do love map making (as do I but we both suck at it).

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:33 am

gavin_sidhu wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:I'd play it if you made a good one.. .then again I dont get offended easy.
Ur making one at landgrab rnt u. U sure do love map making (as do I but we both suck at it).

Making is an over statement... I put pieces of shit up hoping that they will miraculously turn into non pieces of shit... Never works.. either way the one I put up at landgrab map was more of just a map of the region.. not a modern day thing having to do anything about it.. sort of like the middle east map is just a map of the region you know?

The only maps I've ever took past rough draft are antarctica and france and those still arent that good.

Pedronicus · Post by **Pedronicus** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:46 am

If your going to make a map of iraq - make it with car bombs and the like.

it would work like this - say you have 6 armies on Basra and end your go... Then when you come back to take your go - your Basra armies are down to 3 (and no one attacked them)

Yep - a car bomber struck and killed 3 of your troops.

Also - I would like to see Sadam included on the map (Hidden in a random territory - not even known by the player who owns that territory) - and when someone attacks/occupies the area where hes hiding - you get an instant bonus.

and add Iran to the map - its next on the list, in GW's top draw in his office.

And - I would like to see an oil gauge level that slowly decreases - you have to win the game before the oil runs out - otherwise all troops are pulled out, and the country is left to tear itself to pieces.

hockeycapn · Post by **hockeycapn** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:39 am

Wow, I can't believe everyone shot this down. I think that if it didn't have pictures of carbombs, Sadam waving a gun, or shallow graves ful of bodies then why the hell shouldn't the map be made.

I understand that it is a warzone, I have some friends over there right now. I fail to see the mental connection between playing risk on a Iraq map, and getting offended by playing risk on a map of Iraq.

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:48 am

hockeycapn wrote:Wow, I can't believe everyone shot this down. I think that if it didn't have pictures of carbombs, Sadam waving a gun, or shallow graves ful of bodies then why the hell shouldn't the map be made.

I understand that it is a warzone, I have some friends over there right now. I fail to see the mental connection between playing risk on a Iraq map, and getting offended by playing risk on a map of Iraq.

Thats what i thought, but reading kc-jakes post changed my mind.

kc-jake · Post by **kc-jake** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:49 am

gavin_sidhu wrote:
hockeycapn wrote:Wow, I can't believe everyone shot this down. I think that if it didn't have pictures of carbombs, Sadam waving a gun, or shallow graves ful of bodies then why the hell shouldn't the map be made.

I understand that it is a warzone, I have some friends over there right now. I fail to see the mental connection between playing risk on a Iraq map, and getting offended by playing risk on a map of Iraq.
Thats what i thought, but reading kc-jakes post changed my mind.

Seriously. Do you realize that the number of confirmed Iraqi deaths as a direct result of war are in the tens of thousands? In my opinion, the Iraq War has completely unjustified any other overseas reaction in response to 9/11 and we should just admit that we're there on the offensive and not on the defensive. We just need to come out and say "we're still pissed about 9/11, this has little to do with defense anymore" instead of bullshiting others and ourselves.

hockeycapn · Post by **hockeycapn** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:21 pm

I agree with you. But I still don't think any of that has anything to do with Conquerclub maps. Does the maps of Germany have concentration camps worth extra armies? No. Does the NY map have Ground Zero? No.

Give me any place where innocent people haven't lost their lives and we can only play on that map. Well I guess there has just been so much suffering in the world, I can't play the Classic map. Oh wait, Thousands of Native Americans were killed by the British and Americans. Can't play the USA map. Oops same thing for the Canada map. In WW2 the Phillipines housed many major battles. Can't play on that one. Wait Vietnam is part of the Indochina map. I guess that one is wrong to. The Asian map shows places of huge atrosities committed by Americans, Japaneese, Chineese, Laos. Cant play that one either. You know nothing bad ever happed in Europe. I guess that map is OK. Wait, my bad there are hundreds of incidents. How could I forget.

I say make the map. If you don't want to play it, don't. No one is forcing you. For those of us who can see a clear difference between real war and Conquerclub, we can play it.

sgapaulmyers · Post by **sgapaulmyers** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:42 pm

Thanks for your input.

The difference I think though is that the violence in Iraq is not a thing of the past, but something ongoing. That is why I am reluctant to make such a map.

kc-jake · Post by **kc-jake** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:46 pm

If it were a regional map based on real regions and nothing to do with religional differences, that would be one thing. But since the original map idea was in reference to the ongoing war and religious differences (which is the reason for the majority of deaths occuring on a daily basis to non-militant installations), and that is something that I would take offense to. And I'm not the only one who would take offense to something of that sort.

hockeycapn · Post by **hockeycapn** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:02 pm

Regional differences are fine I say include them. Most modern countries formed out of regional differences. The United States was almost two countries because of them.

I refuse to believe that because something has passed it is less important than something going on now. We need to stop thinking that people now are more important than those that have come before us.

Put it the regions based upon the religions. I bet it won't be that far off from if you did it based on natural boundries.

You want to blame someone Blame the UN and League of Nations for Iraq having three seperate groups that can't work together. I Think Kurdistan would be a fun map. But that's a seperate post.

Nous-irons · Post by **Nous-irons** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:21 pm

I don't see how it's insensitive to do a map of Iraq. It'd be insensitive to make fun out of car bombs.

Iraq has been fought over since much of its history. The Persians have sacked it, then Alexander, then the Parthians, with some Roman/Byzantine antagonisms, then the conflicts dealing with the Caliphates.

There was the great sack of Baghdad of 1238, when Genghis Khan conducted a mass slaughter and rape of its residents.

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:23 pm

bumping enough old threads?

Nous-irons · Post by **Nous-irons** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:34 pm

Why religious differences? People don't seem to understand the sectarianism. In many areas before the war, the mixed districts had relative harmony with each other.

Segregate it into provinces and greater city areas; that would be the most rational. The rivers can be used as strategic access points or something.

Nous-irons · Post by **Nous-irons** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:35 pm

P Gizzle wrote:bumping enough old threads?

I didn't even know it was old, lol. I just saw it in the thread list.

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:11 pm

Nous-irons wrote:
P Gizzle wrote:bumping enough old threads?
I didn't even know it was old, lol. I just saw it in the thread list.

not too old, it's just this thread kinda died

sgapaulmyers · Post by **sgapaulmyers** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:33 pm

I'm still considering making the map, but I don't want to do it unless I think enough people would be willing to play it. It looks like there are at least a few people who are interested so maybe I will make a rough draft.