Bible Prophecy

[DaGip]

He refered to Himself using the proper name of God. The name Yehweh gave Isreal as his personal name was "I Am" The pharasees challenged Jesus' authority. They said "Abraham said this, and we don't think you've got the authority to challenge Abraham - Who are you?" Jesus response was "Before Abraham was, I AM." I'm not sure how this is beating around the bush. He identified Himself by God's proper name. If you asked me "Who are you" and I said I am MR. Nate, and your conclusion is "Clearly, your not a member of Conquer Club, because you didn't come out and say "I am a member of Conquer Club" you would be written off as incoherent. By claiming the proper name for God as His own (A name so holy that the jews wouldn't even write it with vowels so it would be unpronouncable) Jesus was not simply claiming to be a god, he was claiming to be God Almighty, who had identified Himself to Abraham & Moses.

How is it that the book of Isaiah contradicts everything you just said? Except the book of Isaiah explains it in direct terms. You havn't provided me a quote yet that convinces me that Jesus is in fact God.

Plus, you havn't rebuted anything from my previous remarks. All your doing is providing me with quotes I already know. This isn't going to convince someone with knowelge of the Bible and my beliefs. In the old days they would have called this chasing after wind.

Isaiah, 43.11 - I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

There are at least a dozen more phrases in Isaiah that mention the same message only in different words. I won't bother writing them down as I know that you are familiar with them.

Jesus like to emphasize the power of the Now, not the Then or When, but the Now. Thusly, "before Abraham, I am..." would be suited to Buddhist philosophy. Jesus also told two of his own disciples to "leave the dead for the dead" because they were hesitant in following Jesus because their father had died. Jesus was a great man. No questions.

And every time I say the phrase I am, then you have insinuated that I am calling myself a god?

I am washing the dishes....
I am driving the car...
I am eating some pizza...

I know that I am not a god, as did Jesus, thusly he was never quoted in the Bible ever calling himself a god. I have yet to see it, except through debatable ambigious metaphor.

[MR. Nate]

How is it that the book of Isaiah contradicts everything you just said? Except the book of Isaiah explains it in direct terms. You havn't provided me a quote yet that convinces me that Jesus is in fact God.

Plus, you havn't rebuted anything from my previous remarks. All your doing is providing me with quotes I already know. This isn't going to convince someone with knowelge of the Bible and my beliefs. In the old days they would have called this chasing after wind.

Isaiah, 43.11 - I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

There are at least a dozen more phrases in Isaiah that mention the same message only in different words. I won't bother writing them down as I know that you are familiar with them.

Your absolutely right about God not allowing anyone else to be a savior, but if that is the case how do you explain the following?

Luke 2:11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. (Jesus defined as savior by angels)

Other times Jesus is referred to as Savior: Acts 13:23 Ephesians 5:23 Philippians 3:20 2 Timothy 1:10 2 Peter 1:1

Also, it is not acceptable for God to allow any one else to have or receive His Glory (IS 48:11) But with that in mind, we constantly see Christ receiving glory:

Matthew 25: 31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.


Luke 24:25-27 He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 7:4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

John 8:54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.

Like I said, none of this is an issue if you accept Jesus Christ as God, within the orthodox definition of the Trinity, but as soon as you change who Christ is, these verses become an issue. And for the record, I was pointing out that Christ made claims to deity, not that he was God. Your previous statements made me unsure if you accepted parts of scripture that don't agree with your position.

[MR. Nate]

Jesus like to emphasize the power of the Now, not the Then or When, but the Now. Thusly, "before Abraham, I am..." would be suited to Buddhist philosophy. Jesus also told two of his own disciples to "leave the dead for the dead" because they were hesitant in following Jesus because their father had died. Jesus was a great man. No questions.

And every time I say the phrase I am, then you have insinuated that I am calling myself a god?

I am washing the dishes....
I am driving the car...
I am eating some pizza...

I know that I am not a god, as did Jesus, thusly he was never quoted in the Bible ever calling himself a god. I have yet to see it, except through debatable ambigious metaphor.

Sorry for the double post. I think you can read a lot more into Jesus words after you have decided to view him through a Buddhist prism. Keep in mind he wasn't talking to Buddhists, he was talking to Jews, and "I am" was the proper name of God. If the question is "Who are you" and the response is, "I am" it is not just say the phrase, it is using the phrase to identify yourself, which is something different.

[Gregrios]

Mr. Nate. What I'm saying is that Jesus and God both have the same purpose and through the Holy Spirit they are the same. Jesus did everything inwhich God wanted making them of the same word. The problem I have is that Jesus is being called God. This is a fatal mistake as it would be idolism. To me there is in comparism to God, none equal or above. I do agree that they are one in purpose and in word but not in stature. God is God and Jesus was the first endowed with the Holy Spirit.

[MR. Nate]

so God shared His Glory with Jesus because they have the same purpose?

Edit: Wait, just re-read your post, how can you say Jesus was the 1st with the Holy Spirit? What about when David begs God "Do not remove your Spirit from me" in Psalm 51?

[Gregrios]

so God shared His Glory with Jesus because they have the same purpose?

Edit: Wait, just re-read your post, how can you say Jesus was the 1st with the Holy Spirit? What about when David begs God "Do not remove your Spirit from me" in Psalm 51?

I've got to thank you Mr. Nate. Finally someone has provided me with something of substance. There is an obvious hole in my theory. I know this now. Thanks again.

[Backglass]

While on the topic of prophesy, myth, legend & lore...

How many fairies can dance on the head of a pin?

Does the Loch Ness monster eat plants...or fish?

When Leprechauns hide their gold...do they make it invisible?

If knocking on wood to scare away "evil spirits"...one knock? Or two?

If any of you superstitious types could let me know I would appreciate it.

[Snorri1234]

How many fairies can dance on the head of a pin?

Depends on the dance, but on average it's 21.

Does the Loch Ness monster eat plants...or fish?

Fish.

When Leprechauns hide their gold...do they make it invisible?

They don't have to, the gold can only be seen by those with a pure heart.

If knocking on wood to scare away "evil spirits"...one knock? Or two?

Three.

[Napoleon Ier]

While on the topic of prophesy, myth, legend & lore...

How many fairies can dance on the head of a pin?

Does the Loch Ness monster eat plants...or fish?

When Leprechauns hide their gold...do they make it invisible?

If knocking on wood to scare away "evil spirits"...one knock? Or two?

If any of you superstitious types could let me know I would appreciate it.

Other than run around squealing the same unsubstantiated bollocks so he can feel more secure in his unfounded beliefs, what does this guy actually do?

[reconciledthief]

Now I'm not one to bash Bible prophecy, but anagrams? I mean, Revelation wasn't written in English, or even with a 26-letter alphabet. Now that you mention it, Osama bin Laden isn't an English or 26-letter name either.

Bible prophecy fascinates me, and I'm certainly all for learning about it, but I think you're grasping at straws with this one.

The dude who wrote this wrote it in exile, and the suspected place of writing is the type of place that releases fumes, the same type of place the Oracle of Delphi did her stunt. The entire book of revelations is all just a trip.

Prove it!

Patmos is on that tectonic plate line.

Hey, at least I don't use faith as evidence.

Any Christian worth his salt won't either.

[DaGip]

Now I'm not one to bash Bible prophecy, but anagrams? I mean, Revelation wasn't written in English, or even with a 26-letter alphabet. Now that you mention it, Osama bin Laden isn't an English or 26-letter name either.

Bible prophecy fascinates me, and I'm certainly all for learning about it, but I think you're grasping at straws with this one.

The dude who wrote this wrote it in exile, and the suspected place of writing is the type of place that releases fumes, the same type of place the Oracle of Delphi did her stunt. The entire book of revelations is all just a trip.

Prove it!

Patmos is on that tectonic plate line.

Hey, at least I don't use faith as evidence.

Any Christian worth his salt won't either.

So, John of Patmos was high on volcanic fumes?

[comic boy]

While on the topic of prophesy, myth, legend & lore...

How many fairies can dance on the head of a pin?

Does the Loch Ness monster eat plants...or fish?

When Leprechauns hide their gold...do they make it invisible?

If knocking on wood to scare away "evil spirits"...one knock? Or two?

If any of you superstitious types could let me know I would appreciate it.

Other than run around squealing the same unsubstantiated bollocks so he can feel more secure in his unfounded beliefs, what does this guy actually do?

Unsubstantiated bollocks sums up an awful lot

[Skittles!]

While on the topic of prophesy, myth, legend & lore...

How many fairies can dance on the head of a pin?

Does the Loch Ness monster eat plants...or fish?

When Leprechauns hide their gold...do they make it invisible?

If knocking on wood to scare away "evil spirits"...one knock? Or two?

If any of you superstitious types could let me know I would appreciate it.

Other than run around squealing the same unsubstantiated bollocks so he can feel more secure in his unfounded beliefs, what does this guy actually do?

Unfounded beliefs? Uh-huh..

I think you should start a debate with him, Nappy.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Be free and frolic little thread, go and merge with your brother, head towards the light.

[DaGip]

Holy Shit! The bump from hell! But my poll questions are different.

[PLAYER57832]

How is it that the book of Isaiah contradicts everything you just said? Except the book of Isaiah explains it in direct terms. You havn't provided me a quote yet that convinces me that Jesus is in fact God.

Plus, you havn't rebuted anything from my previous remarks. All your doing is providing me with quotes I already know. This isn't going to convince someone with knowelge of the Bible and my beliefs. In the old days they would have called this chasing after wind.

Isaiah, 43.11 - I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

There are at least a dozen more phrases in Isaiah that mention the same message only in different words. I won't bother writing them down as I know that you are familiar with them.

Sorry if I am butting in here, but this is a point about which Christians differ. My church teaches the trinity. Jesus is a part of God, one aspect. God, the Father and the Son. They are one, but differant aspects of that one.

[bedub1]

Where is the option for Obama? i thought he was the guy....

[DaGip]

For those of you that need The Trinity explained to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hxNhpfdExE

[Backglass]

For those of you that need The Trinity explained to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hxNhpfdExE

That about sums it up. A perfectly reasonable explanation.