The Bastardization of Western History and Culture

[Prancing Ketchup]

Happy times...I miss cawck_mongler

[Neoteny]

I bet you wear socks with your sandals...

[PLAYER57832]

Wow, in nine pages, I am simply amazed at the number of people who feel this issue is even possible to tackle in a CC thread. Gross oversimplification does not even begin to describe it!

Let's start with two facts: There is NO ONE thing as "western civilization". Instead, you have a conglomeration of many divergent cultures, ideas and thoughts. Further, no individual really and truly represents the whole of any culture.

One person spoke of Native Americans who's "only" medicine was to dance and shake rattles -- sorry, but scientists are still going back and studying the herbs and techniques. Some even did surgery.


Many equate Western with Christianity, but Christianity actually began in the east ... and though it has branched and developed in the west, the Greek Orthodoz church still very much exists. Also the west includes many forms of paganism, Islam has had more impact than many wish to acknowledge. Athiesm, not Chrisianity seems to be the real "western" creation (though it has never been al that widespread).

And as for the intellectual advancements of the Middle Ages -- most of the Middle Ages was a RE-discovery of ideas already very much present and created in the "East".

Just to name a few things to consider....

[McGrod]

In a serious case of over simplification :
Britain paid its Navy £10 per slave trader captured after it abolished slave trade.
Its a good thing The Empire is a thing of the past as we would still be always at war and have our soldiers fighting for profits of the few....damn hang on we still doing that!

[MeDeFe]

Zombie Alert! The dead threads are rising from their graves, run for your lives before they eat our brains!

[Neoteny]

Ack!

[Jenos Ridan]

Zombie Alert! The dead threads are rising from their graves, run for your lives before they eat our brains!

Really? I'd have thought that was self-evident.

*takes aim at zombie's head with trusty AR-15 and puts three 5.56mm rounds into the skull*

[MeDeFe]

Zombie Alert! The dead threads are rising from their graves, run for your lives before they eat our brains!

Really? I'd have thought that was self-evident.

*takes aim at zombie's head with trusty AR-15 and puts three 5.56mm rounds into the skull*

Well, good luck trying to kill the dead.

[Jenos Ridan]

Zombie Alert! The dead threads are rising from their graves, run for your lives before they eat our brains!

Really? I'd have thought that was self-evident.

*takes aim at zombie's head with trusty AR-15 and puts three 5.56mm rounds into the skull*

Well, good luck trying to kill the dead.

If everything from the shoulders up is turned to swiss cheese, I doubt it'll be able to eat brains (no mouth), let alone find any.

*begins pouring gasoline onto the now-dead-again body, strikes a match, lights it off and walks off*

[muy_thaiguy]

Who needs a match when you have a Zombie Survival Kit?

[suggs]

Yes, I almost thougt you something about history until i read on past the first line.
All the money brought into Europe from the crusades, paid for the renaissance.

!) War cost then , as now, an absolute fortune - very few noblemen made it back alive AND rich.

And then there is the teenysy weensy problem of the major crusades (ie, the early ones) being 400 YEARS before the Renaissance.

Apart from that, Bravo!

A first clas work of fiction

[Neoteny]

Whoa?! What the hell?!

[Jenos Ridan]

Who needs a match when you have a Zombie Survival Kit?

If I can't read the tiny print, what use is it to me?

[B.K.Barcunt]

I really can't think of anything to say here.

[Frigidus]

I really can't think of anything to say here.

Your other posts suggest as much.

[PLAYER57832]

Suggs, wherever did he go?

[jonesthecurl]

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[Ulsfark]

I really can't think of anything to say here.

I agree.

[SultanOfSurreal]

In today's world, it's common for Europe's achievements to be looked down on and frowned at, possibly because of the media, free speech and the transitioning of most Western governments into democracies. But is it really fair?

All groups and cultures are guilty of some kind of crimes throughout their history, and humans are inherently evil in nature (not all humans are evil, but I mean everyone is capable of evil given the right circumstances). A common part of Europe's past that's mocked, is colonialism. Let me start out by saying colonialism brought more good then harm. Of course some people will say that colonialism was the source of many atrocities, and it allowed many nations to be stripped of their wealth, or had their citizens reduced to slavery. While its true, the British, Spanish, French, Dutch, etc. caused much hardships for the people living in their colonies, they also brought peace and stability to them, and even today imperial (in a business sense anyways) ambitions are helping to industrialise parts of the world that would otherwise still be in the dark ages.

A main source of the white mans (not trying to be racist, but this does apply directly to ones skin colour) mockery, is the slave trade. Hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of Africans were uprooted from their homes and forced into slavery. What one leaves out though, is that nearly all the slaves were captured from by other Africans and sold to the Europeans. The slaves were either captured in the tribal warfare that was common amongst the natives, or else were guilty of some sort of crime and if not sold into slavery, would otherwise receive death, or be forced into slavery by his/her fellow Africans. Europe in no way started the slave trade, or played anymore of a role then any other group, what sets them apart is their wealth and ability to do more then other groups could.

This brings me to another point, Europe's wealth. Although gotten at the expense of others, I believe that having much of the worlds wealth centralised in European colonial powers did more good then bad. For example, the Crusades; without the revenue brought in from the conquered Arabian lands, the renaissance would've never been possible and the world would've stayed in the dark ages for who knows how much longer. Another example is the industrial revolution, if England and the rest of Europe weren't able to bring in enough foreign supplies to build and fuel their factories, cottage industry and serfdom would've remained a common way of life for that much longer. If the worlds wealth had remained in the hands of its native warlords, progress would be much, much slower.

I believe that now we're starting to redistribute our worlds resources evenly, this is evidenced by the break-up of the Worlds colonial Empires post World War 1. Whether linked or not, the worlds situation has gotten much worse, the rise of Hitler for example, claimed the lives of millions, and the turmoil in the Middle East is a current example of Europe losing its power throughout the world. Colonialism brought stability and progress, its obvious that without an external force keeping things in check, most countries go to shit.

If you'd like to argue any of my points, then go ahead, please keep this free of spam though. I don't believe this is racist or very offensive, but if anyone has valid problems I'll try to fix or reword my writing to fix them. I'll try to add more later, its getting late though.

while i know that this thread is like 2 years old, it always pleases me to see flabby, white, sheltered suburbanite latent racists try to defend their uninformed opinions by acting like they're victims.

the unironic invocation of the white man's burden is just a bonus

but i hope this guy is still around. i'd really like to hear more about what the dude named after a 4chan meme -- who judging by his avatar spends more time raging against restrictions on video games than thinking about actual injustices in parts of the world outside of the US -- has to say about the role of european and american imperialism in world history

[Dancing Mustard]

Mate, don't be hating on the Cawk Mongler.

Despite his relatively unprolific nature, he was one of the best and most successful trolls I've ever seen. Pound for pound, he caused more outrage and hilarity than almost anybody else I've witnessed on the internet.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Mate, don't be hating on the Cawk Mongler.

Despite his relatively unprolific nature, he was one of the best and most successful trolls I've ever seen. Pound for pound, he caused more outrage and hilarity than almost anybody else I've witnessed on the internet.

so it's confirmed that he was a troll then?

that's good to know. i just got to the part where he said african americans shouldn't be mad about slavery because africans were basically savages

[Ulsfark]

Mate, don't be hating on the Cawk Mongler.
#.

I miss that guy.

[Ulsfark]

Mate, don't be hating on the Cawk Mongler.

Despite his relatively unprolific nature, he was one of the best and most successful trolls I've ever seen. Pound for pound, he caused more outrage and hilarity than almost anybody else I've witnessed on the internet.

so it's confirmed that he was a troll then?

that's good to know. i just got to the part where he said african americans shouldn't be mad about slavery because africans were basically savages

I think he meant what he said.

Just like you do.

[SultanOfSurreal]

I think he meant what he said.

Just like you do.

oh no, i'm sure you're completely serious in everything you do, cawk mongler

[Snorri1234]

I think he meant what he said.

Just like you do.

oh no, i'm sure you're completely serious in everything you do, cawk mongler

I think this here multi is norse actually. Not entirely sure though.