ROTS Day 4...Multiple Deaths....p41 (read now)

[william18]

Ill replace!

[Sierra_Leon]

After reading last day over again, I've come to conclude that Iliad is probably scum.

After I pointed out Clive and Militant had posted very little, a little bandwagon on Clive formed. Iliad however was very keen on redirecting that bandwagon to militant instead. I think he was trying to save Clive from getting lynched.

hey cool we have leads.

I suggest militant. Clive has had computer problems, militant has been just playing rt. So has clive but at lteast he had problems before

unvote vote militant

After militant claimed R2D2, Iliad said this:

cena just copy pasting the pm and then changing one word is not that great. Not that hard to paraphrase.

Does you not unvoting mean you still think we should lynch militant? If so, then why? If not, then who?

me not changing anything means I'm not sure. On one hand the claim looks all right, on the other hand it smells a lot like a safe-claim.

Notice how he didn't unvote, but instead is being really indecisive about how he feels about a militant lynch. It's the kind of post where someone really hopes the person will get lynched (he dropped the bit about a safe-claim hoping others would agree with that and vote militant too), but if that person finally gets lynched you he could still say he had his doubts and blame it all on the people who voted after him.

I think that nagerous makes a good case against ga7, but I like an Iliad lynch better.

Vote Iliad

[militant]

Good catch sierra. Unvote? Vote Iliad

[firth4eva]

It's all we've got. I suggest killing ga7 in the night vig.

unvote vote iliad

[Anarkistsdream]

Once again, AD I don't understand your reaction, considering I have made the longest post this day, which a case was developed and stand firm in my decision earlier that Ga7 is most scummy.

OOps... And I already voted him, too...

I don't think that vote of mine above even counted, then...

[Iliad]

After reading last day over again, I've come to conclude that Iliad is probably scum.

After I pointed out Clive and Militant had posted very little, a little bandwagon on Clive formed. Iliad however was very keen on redirecting that bandwagon to militant instead. I think he was trying to save Clive from getting lynched.

hey cool we have leads.

I suggest militant. Clive has had computer problems, militant has been just playing rt. So has clive but at lteast he had problems before

unvote vote militant

After militant claimed R2D2, Iliad said this:

Does you not unvoting mean you still think we should lynch militant? If so, then why? If not, then who?

me not changing anything means I'm not sure. On one hand the claim looks all right, on the other hand it smells a lot like a safe-claim.

Notice how he didn't unvote, but instead is being really indecisive about how he feels about a militant lynch. It's the kind of post where someone really hopes the person will get lynched (he dropped the bit about a safe-claim hoping others would agree with that and vote militant too), but if that person finally gets lynched you he could still say he had his doubts and blame it all on the people who voted after him.

I think that nagerous makes a good case against ga7, but I like an Iliad lynch better.

Vote Iliad

If you weren't making selective reading I wan't the only one who decided mil was a better lynch because clive said he had computer problems.

I usually do not unvote. If there is a wagon adn the person claims I usually keep my vote on him if someone has already unvoted and then switch my vote when there is a better candidate.


I'm sorry but this is all , very very weak.

[Sierra_Leon]

If you weren't making selective reading I wan't the only one who decided mil was a better lynch because clive said he had computer problems.

I know very well you weren't the only one who decided mil was a better lynch. In fact, I thought he was a better lynch myself at that time. That doesn't change the fact that the way you said "I suggest militant" and never voted clive after makes me think you were voting militant for the sake of protecting Clive.

I usually do not unvote. If there is a wagon adn the person claims I usually keep my vote on him if someone has already unvoted and then switch my vote when there is a better candidate.

Clive wasn't a better candidate after militant claimed? That only makes sense if you're part of the Seperatist mafia.

[Iliad]

I left my vote on mil and decided to wait until more things happened. If someone counter-claimed or proved that he was lying, or that when clive was proven scum which happened when I was sleeping

[lord voldemort]

ah ad kalish isnt playing
sierra replaces neutrino
thats the only replacement...
if another replacement is needed then kalish will replace assuming its possible for him to do so

[Anarkistsdream]

ah ad kalish isnt playing
sierra replaces neutrino
thats the only replacement...
if another replacement is needed then kalish will replace assuming its possible for him to do so

Good thing I never unvoted then, so that vote didn't count anyway...

[Sierra_Leon]

I usually do not unvote. If there is a wagon adn the person claims I usually keep my vote on him if someone has already unvoted and then switch my vote when there is a better candidate.

Clive wasn't a better candidate after militant claimed? That only makes sense if you're part of the Seperatist mafia.

[MountainLion]

ah ad kalish isnt playing
sierra replaces neutrino
thats the only replacement...
if another replacement is needed then kalish will replace assuming its possible for him to do so

Actually I replaced Neutrino. AND LOVO CAN YOU PLEASE UPDATE THE THREAD TITLE AND FIRST POST TO SHOW I REPLACED NEUTRINO AND WE DON'T NEED A REPLACEMENT.

I'm not sure how I feel about ga7 and iliad just yet. I'd like to go back to what AD said:

It's Kalish... He was a nobody the first time, and we can assume the person he replaced was important or else he wouldn't have been replaced so fast.

I believe the character he replaced is most likely scum.

No one else has come up with any leads, so I stand firm in my decision.

As soon as one of YOU guys comes up with something, let me know... Until then, don't criticize me...

First of all this is very, VERY weak reasoning/logic by AD. He even says "we can assume" and you know what happens when you assume? (if you don't, I can tell you) Then he says no one else has come up with any leads...this is true, however he then says "as soon as one of YOU comes up with something, let me know" and "until then, don't criticize me." This all sounds like he doesn't want to bother trying to find leads, which if he was town, that's all he CAN do.

On top of all this he voted kalish who is dead. I can see getting people mixed up sometimes, but kalish is DEAD! How do you get that wrong?

I'm going to go back to ga7's original logic from yesterday, and Vote: Kalishnikov

Kalishnikov has replaced and is under a new guise and you're voting him for his actions in his former self. WTF?

Here nagerous makes a good questioning of AD, but he doesn't know what the hell's going on with kalish either apparently.

FOS Anark and small fos on nagerous

Looking back I don't see why AD claimed "jedi" either. What the hell's going on with you? Give me some answers please!

[Anarkistsdream]

I was just reaching because this thread had died...

I also did not properly read before I placed that vote.

Both are my bad... This weekend hasn't left me much time to devote to mafia, but I don't want it to die down too much or these games will stutter and stop.

I won't make uninformed posts again. No worries.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I'll be rereadign tomorrow. just got in from a very busy weekend startign on Friday(had a school observation by the principal,chaperoned prom, had to referee 9 basketball games, a get together, and attend my sister's confirmation in addition to driving back and forth to BR from Nola and haven't gotten to really look on here. Even missed a damn turn in a CC game.

[MountainLion]

Okay, let's get back to ga7...

does your win condition use the word eliminate?

No, it uses the word destroy, but i thought i would change that so it is not like the original.

WTF? Since when are this kind of shit allowed in mafia games? Another reason to blacklist Cena...

For a long time I swore by a lynch each and every day but in these smaller games sometimes it's beneficial to not lynch day 1 (:o), for a number of reasons.

Name them. More BS and WIFOM coming your way, very convincing

This is one more reference to ga7 poking at kalish, but there's something else. Here it appears cena is trying to use specific words to tell if militant is telling the truth. Later on cena is satisfied with militant saying "destroy." I agree with ga7 that this kind of thing is not cool for a mafia game because it's a loophole. If I modded a game I would try to give different wordings and say so to avoid this kind of thing, but I'm getting off track here....the fact is maybe ga7 was more mad about it because he's not on the same side as militant and cena and doesn't like seeing them trust each other. Of course I can't prove it, but it's something to consider since ga7 is under question.

Now let's take a look at JND...these posts are made after Clive says he didn't get a win condition and thinks he's 3rd party:

why in hell would he claim that? Maybe he's a jester...claims a non-town win condition, then leaves with 'computer troubles', hoping we lynch him.

I don't like to lynch people based on that logic....because you can't guarantee it. I know I for one messed around win conditions in my games so that you couldn't use that logic, and who knows if Lovo has. Even if Lovo wrote every single one the same, I still think it's faulty.

Then kalish looks up Clive's fake claim and it works against him. Clive gets more votes until he is lynched. JND is one of the last to vote Clive. Here is what he says when he votes him:

*hits head* why claim that Clive? Did you read wiki on him? Vote Clive

I can understand that sometimes players will help each other out, but Clive is scum and he makes a mistake...town should either be laughing at him or be happy about it. JND appears to be upset.

So far ga7 has taken the heat on this day in stride, so either he's town and stands by his actions or he is one very cool (scum) customer. We either add votes and make him claim or we go in a different direction. For now I'm going to Vote JND.

I don't intend to make it a lynch ga7 or JND situation. I simply see them as the leading suspects at this point. If anything changes, so be it. What do the rest of you think about all this?

[MountainLion]

Tonka and Neoteny have not posted on this day. Skoffin only posted once and simply said "off to re-read."

[jnd94]

I guess I didnt get my point across with that post. I was upset, because it was idiotic. He said he read the wiki on the guy, but yet he still claimed it. It was stupid. I don't have to be scum to be mildly disgusted at the claim.

[nagerous]

Hmmm I don't think there is enough backing for a ga7 lynch at the moment though it is good that the town remain wary of his scuminess.

Jnd and Iliad look like better bets for now, I'm happy with either one of their lynches.

[got tonkaed]

Hey ill be around more intermittenly for this week, simply because its finals and i might have less access at times to the computer...

anywho, i think ML makes an interesting argument with jnd right now, that seems to be a little more reasoned that AD's was or than the argument about ga7. I think for now that line of pursuit makes the most sense.

[Anarkistsdream]

Hey ill be around more intermittenly for this week, simply because its finals and i might have less access at times to the computer...

anywho, i think ML makes an interesting argument with jnd right now, that seems to be a little more reasoned that AD's was or than the argument about ga7. I think for now that line of pursuit makes the most sense.

So you think it makes the most sense but you still don't vote?

Well, regardless, I am forced to agree with ML, too, because he's come up with a great lead... Although Nag's argument for ga7 already has my vote at the moment.

[firth4eva]

I'm keeping my vote on Iliad because he refused to unvote mili for Clive when mili wasn't counterclaimed(and obviously wasn't going to be).

The lead on jnd looks weak. Usng the way the way he said about being disappointed in Clive isn't much of a lead.

[MountainLion]

I'm keeping my vote on Iliad because he refused to unvote mili for Clive when mili wasn't counterclaimed(and obviously wasn't going to be).

The lead on jnd looks weak. Usng the way the way he said about being disappointed in Clive isn't much of a lead.

It was more than that though...he posted twice appearing to defend him and he didn't vote him until he was already lynched. Did you read it all or did you just read JND's reply? JND defended himself against his "disappointment" of Clive's fake claim, but still has to answer to his other posts, which by the way, you (firth) didn't seem to mention either.

[firth4eva]

I'm not defending him. I was simply saying using that against him is a poor excuse to get him lynched and looks as though you are grasping at straws. There is no way a player as good as jnd would mess up on that scale.

And if I was defending anyone it was militant.

[Fircoal]

Ok, this is what I think. First of all there are a lot of scummy people atm, and I don't have the time to cover everyone who is scummy while I'm in class. Thus I'll start with the most scummiest.

LV - You sent me a prod. What The!?!?!?!?! I'm posting more than some people you didn't prod, espeically yesterday.

Illy they got you. You were more onto the Mili side of ir, rather than Clive, Jnd too, as shown was more trying to push for a Mili lynch. CLive was Scum, Mili pretty much is not, even after the claim that he pretty much was town, both of you two went after him. Jnd, also I think that comment was more because of frustration, and not because you're mad at how bad someone played. I think you'd probably more be laughing at him for that mistake. While on the other hand, it makes perfect sense for Frenchie-chan to blow up at Cena for using a win condition as evidence, as it's something he and other really good players don't like to see happen. Really I'm quite surprised AD barely commented on it. [/metagame]

[mandalorian2298]

Sorry for not posting more, but I am torned between Godfather and Lost Mafia, plus playing Poker on Facebook, plus studying. When will you guys agree on sam normal quequing system?

Seriously, I have no idea what's going on. Could you please replace me LoVo?