ROTS Day 4...Multiple Deaths....p41 (read now)

[william18]

I'll take his spot! I reread everything!

[jnd94]

Any of you who want to lynch me over that can go straight to GT's game. Cuz you're fucking loony. I was telling him how stupid his claim was. i guess anything except " lolcats!" is considered scum now, when someone's claim is shit.

[lord voldemort]

Sorry for not posting more, but I am torned between Godfather and Lost Mafia, plus playing Poker on Facebook, plus studying. When will you guys agree on sam normal quequing system?

Seriously, I have no idea what's going on. Could you please replace me LoVo?

ya i can get kalish to play as you....seeing he get nk'd in like every game....

shame though

[william18]

Sorry for not posting more, but I am torned between Godfather and Lost Mafia, plus playing Poker on Facebook, plus studying. When will you guys agree on sam normal quequing system?

Seriously, I have no idea what's going on. Could you please replace me LoVo?

ya i can get kalish to play as you....seeing he get nk'd in like every game....

shame though

Can I replace the the next deadbeater?

[lord voldemort]

ok william...though u f*ck up and u wont play one of my games again

[william18]

ok william...though u f*ck up and u wont play one of my games again

When have I messed up? And what do you mean by f*ck up? Do you mean terrible playing or do what Animorph did?

[ga7]

Oh, how I like when you prod me Lovo. I posted today though, contrary to some and more than others

It's all we've got. I suggest killing ga7 in the night vig.

unvote vote iliad

In my biaised opinion, this post wins the scummiest of the day award Elements pointed by Nag do look a bit scummy objectively (although I already defended myself about them), but to want to vig someone you know nothing about is like mafia calling for an extra townie killed.

.the fact is maybe ga7 was more mad about it because he's not on the same side as militant and cena and doesn't like seeing them trust each other. Of course I can't prove it, but it's something to consider since ga7 is under question.

I got mad at Cena cause this kind of loopholes were very frown upon back in the day (and more recently in Wandlore) and I never saw anything refering to it being allowed in this game before Lovo notified it. Frankly I'm not sure why... It does have the potential to screw a game. *shrugs* If I was scum I'd be happy being given free info about the town WC to make a better fakeclaim if needed

So far ga7 has taken the heat on this day in stride, so either he's town and stands by his actions or he is one very cool (scum) customer. We either add votes and make him claim or we go in a different direction. For now I'm going to Vote JND.

I'm very cool, thank you. Err... Metagame excuse: I'm always more suspected when I'm town
Anyway, enough irrelevant stuff. The cases on Illy and Jnd make sense, between the two though I'll go for the Jnd lead. Mostly because the Illy case looks a bit thinner as it seems more like a playing style issue (to keep a vote or change it quickly) so we're only left with his initial Clive busy rl defense. Jnd's reaction on the other hand did seem authentically disgusted, while good little townies rejoice when scum screw up so badly. Experience or quality of play don't really matter there, I remember LSU for example bitching endlessly his terrorist partner Kiwi that had bombed himself too early in NV5 Sometimes reactions like that just go through, and to see it as a slipup makes sense to me.
But I ramble and metagame, must be senility. Vote Jnd *goes back to nap*

[Iliad]

People I do not see the reason why you are voting me. I do not unvote. There is no point if a couple of people have already unvoted.
Jnd on the other hand looks like scum, and if he does come up as scum firth has some questions to answer
vote jnd

[lord voldemort]

ok william...though u f*ck up and u wont play one of my games again

When have I messed up? And what do you mean by f*ck up? Do you mean terrible playing or do what Animorph did?

yes something like animorp did
u havent im just wary of who i put in my games. hence the invite only...
if u get the chance dont screw up cause u only get one with me

[jnd94]

wow.....wtf.......Im not claiming because of that shit evidence...that doesnt warrant a claim from me.

[Fircoal]

wow.....wtf.......Im not claiming because of that shit evidence...that doesnt warrant a claim from me.

ARe you trying to appear scummy? This just screams that you can't come up with a good claim, and we know scum aren't given ones from our friend Clive. Unvote Vote: Jnd

[Sierra_Leon]

I would like to comment on the jnd bandwagon. People are voting him because of this post:

*hits head* why claim that Clive? Did you read wiki on him? Vote Clive

This post apparently somehow shows that jnd was upset with clive blowing his cover. I have 2 very big objections to this kind of reasoning.
1) This is an ONLINE FORUM. You don't see jnd's face. You can't hear his intonation. It's impossible to tell from those 14 words how jnd is feeling deep down inside. FOS all people who are voting jnd for that reason (which is everyone with their vote on jdn except MountainLion)
2) Why on Earth would jnd post that he's upset with Clive screwing up?! Do any of you actually think he hit the 'Submit' button and then thought "Oh crap, I probably shouldn't have told them I was scum.."? This is partly (mainly even) a WIFOM argument, but my intuition tells me that if jdn was scum he would have worded that post more carefully. He's looking more like a reluctant townie to me.

However, I'm not asking anyone to unvote him. I think ML brought up a good point when he quoted this post by jnd:

why in hell would he claim that? Maybe he's a jester...claims a non-town win condition, then leaves with 'computer troubles', hoping we lynch him.

I agree that this looks like scum trying to save his Naive Leader from a lynch. I don't think it's as good as a case as I presented on Iliad though, so my vote is staying with Iliad.


PS: @william18, could you take your discussion with LoVo outside this thread please. @anyone else wanting to sub, that's what PM's are for. Contact LoVo personally please instead of clogging up this game with requests like that.

[Iliad]

Your case against me is nothing

Sorry to metagame but I usually do not unvote if a couple of people have already unvoted.

[Sierra_Leon]

Your case against me is nothing

Sorry to metagame but I usually do not unvote if a couple of people have already unvoted.

I disagree. My case is valid. Your defence is nothing.

If you can show me 2 or 3 examples of other games on this site where you didn't unvote someone because a couple of people already unvoted before you, I'll reconsider my stance on you. A link to your posts in those threads would be appreciated, so I won't have to browse through 50 pages to find them.

[MountainLion]

Now let's take a look at JND...these posts are made after Clive says he didn't get a win condition and thinks he's 3rd party:

why in hell would he claim that? Maybe he's a jester...claims a non-town win condition, then leaves with 'computer troubles', hoping we lynch him.

I don't like to lynch people based on that logic....because you can't guarantee it. I know I for one messed around win conditions in my games so that you couldn't use that logic, and who knows if Lovo has. Even if Lovo wrote every single one the same, I still think it's faulty.

Then kalish looks up Clive's fake claim and it works against him. Clive gets more votes until he is lynched. JND is one of the last to vote Clive. Here is what he says when he votes him:

*hits head* why claim that Clive? Did you read wiki on him? Vote Clive

I don't understand why some of you are focusing so much on the 3rd quote I listed by JND. I built a case with the first two quotes as well. Did you actually read my whole post?!

I know for sure that ga7 and Sierra get it (the entire case I put together as a whole). However, JND himself and firth for some reason seem to only address the 3rd quote. What about the first two? is it because you decided to only defend against the weakest part of the case?

JND, I don't expect you to claim, but you could come up with something to help the town or give us something to explain why you seemed to defend Clive more than once.

[Iliad]

Your case against me is nothing

Sorry to metagame but I usually do not unvote if a couple of people have already unvoted.

I disagree. My case is valid. Your defence is nothing.

If you can show me 2 or 3 examples of other games on this site where you didn't unvote someone because a couple of people already unvoted before you, I'll reconsider my stance on you. A link to your posts in those threads would be appreciated, so I won't have to browse through 50 pages to find them.

wrong turn is one game, I'm trying to find the page.

Your whole case is that I didn't unvote mil. That is all!

[jnd94]

Why i defend him? I didn't ever defend him.......give me one quote and I will show you.....

By the by, Chu, just because i sont want to claim doesnt mean Im scum. Im not claiming because its not grounds for a claim. If I feel that you guys have presented a good case against me I will. But right now it is a speculation. My post show dissapointment, but Im not that stupid to be scum and do that....

[Neoteny]

Ack! I've been busy as hell, and will remain so for a bit. I'll do what I can to stay active (I'll be better this week, last week was crap), but I can't really make promises. Replace me if you feel the need.

As far as the current situation goes, all these leads seem rather week, but Illy seemed mildly scummy to me in a few of his responses.

Vote Illiad for now.

[MountainLion]

Technically I didn't really say you defended him, jnd. It just appears that way. This is Day 2, so there's not much to work with. I presented a case and a couple players have agreed with it, so it must be worth something.

[jnd94]

Technically I didn't really say you defended him, jnd. It just appears that way. This is Day 2, so there's not much to work with. I presented a case and a couple players have agreed with it, so it must be worth something.

Well then if you didnt say I defended him, what the hell are you lynching me for? The scum should be the ones that leapt on my bandwagon. The case is flimsy.

[MountainLion]

We need a vote count and a couple replacements, right?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Wow Illiad and JND both look VERY SCUMMY right now. JND your post does reek of being frustrated over stupidity done by a member of your group like I was in NV5 while Illy you definitely tried to shift the attention of the bandwagon off of Clive. I personally wouldn't be surprised if both of them turn out to be non pro town roles. I'll wait for a vote count before casting my vote because at this point I would definitely vote for either of them.

[Iliad]

LSU how did I? I did nothing to shift the attention from clive. All I did was not unvote

[LSU Tiger Josh]

That unvote looks pretty scummy in light of what Clive turned out to be especially being that a lot of people at that time were going for Clive while you had yours on Mili then.

[Iliad]

That unvote looks pretty scummy in light of what Clive turned out to be especially being that a lot of people at that time were going for Clive while you had yours on Mili then.

no

We went for mil first, mil claimed r2d2, a couple of people unvoted, I went to bed, the bandwagon switched to clive, by the time I woke up clive was already lynched.

Where did I shift attention from clive?