Gay marriage

[Snorri1234]

And when the ACLU takes the side of homosexual marriage activists in actual court cases, that is action, not ideas. When you refuse to allow the majority of people to keep marriage defined as it is, that is action, not ideas. It seems you don't care that in state after state voters have overwhelmingly decided they want that definition to remain.

Majority vote against something doesn't mean jack shit. One of the major flaws in democracy is that stupid people or misguided people are allowed to have a vote that is the same as someone who has actually studied on a particular subject.

You are absolutely free to think that homosexuality is natural, good, etc. BUT when you wish to overturn current laws and force the majority of people who have voted against your agenda to accept it, you cross the line of freedom. You are no more justified in saying that opposite marriage is wrong than you would be in saying that a Christian doesn't have the right to believe in a fantasy book based on folklore and legend.

This is bullshit retoric.

The reason to overturn the law is that it is discriminatory. I suppose in your opinion laws can never be overturned then?

Neither do you have the right to rail against people who are comfortable with the natural way that evolution selected our species to have complimentary sexual organs.

Animals (generally thought as not the brightests thinkers) have gaysex too! I suppose that if homosexuality was a detriment to evolution it would've been forced out long ago.

The problem with your statement is that your definition of reasonable is different than others. You define freedom the way you want. Freedom is not just doing whatever you want. Like I've said, desire and consent are not what laws are overturned on.

This statement made no sense whatsoever.

YOu claim that homosexuals are asking for "extra" rights.

Nice try, I said that desire is not the legal basis for overturning current law.

Word, I believe it was Nappy who claimed gays were for "extra" rights...

I'll say this again - skin pigmentation is not the same as behavior. You're trying to link two separate issues. Genes control your skin color. The basis for overturning discrimination is that no one can control their ethnicity. So you're trying to make people who believe in traditional marriage look like the equivalent of racists. Wrong! There is no gay gene.

And you base that argument on your many credentials in genetica? Or solely on your silly views and some organization that seems to support you. (I can't actually acces that link you posted...)

[Snorri1234]

Genetics do not affect behavior except in cases of when genes are retarded. Are you saying homosexuals are retarded?

?????


Hands up anyone who thinks Nataki doesn't make the slightest bit of sense!

[Briebat]

I've only skipped over these pages and read a few then skipped some more..seeing as some of these are just unnecessary and repetitive. So if i am wrong and didn't get the entire thing, im sorry.

Someone was saying being gay is a learned behavior?

How is being gay a learned? I'm a lesbian and im very proud of that fact.. but if i were straight... i would NEVER ever choose to be gay.

if it were a "learned behavior" Who would ever Learn to be gay when there are some people doing nothing but going out of their way to hurt you because you are gay and others only look down on you because you love some one of the same sex? There is just way too much against being gay for some one to just jump up and say "I think im going to learn to be gay today"

Being gay isn't something you can help its something you are. just like straight... How many straight people do you know that have to learn to be straight? its just something you are!

Ther other thing i want to say is..

Why is this going on for 60 pages when it could have ended so long ago? Its just a simple question looking for a simple anwser. (not that i helped ANY on that by posting this but hey the damnage is done.)


Lastly, I do think that gay marriage should be allowed. Gay people didn't get to voted for/against straight marriage, why should straight people get to vote for or against ours?

[got tonkaed]

Genetics do not affect behavior except in cases of when genes are retarded. Are you saying homosexuals are retarded?

even as a guy who dislikes genetic interpretations of human behavior...i cant imagine your baiting here can be that versed in your actual belief here. Do you really wish to argue that genes have no consequence in an incredibly wide range of human behavior, which could very well include sexual preference.

I think the problem with the gene argument from the anti-side is it is often believed that by simply taking what a group of people in this case homosexuals say about not desiring to have their behavior reduced to genetics (which is fair) that they have somehow won the argument. They dont seem to consider the intent behind the statement or that they in no way come to the same conclusion as the people who make the statement seem to.

[Snorri1234]

Sorry, wrong. The ACLU is full of folks who truly believe in freedom -- whether they agree with the idea or not.

Sorry, I'm right. The ACLU was founded by people who were communist.

Holy shit, this matters?

[Dapper Tom]

Genetics do not affect behavior except in cases of when genes are retarded. Are you saying homosexuals are retarded?

If Dancing Mustard were able to post right now, I can assure you that he would regard that statement as the most retarded thing he has ever witnessed a human say.

In other words: You're really, really, really dumb.

[Cypress333]

I don't have much an opinion on this. The bible might say it is wrong, but that is what Jesus died for. To save our sins! I voted no because i don't think it is right. But that is just my opinion.

[Dapper Tom]

Well please keep it to yourself until it is as illustrious and as highly respected as mine.

[Nataki Yiro]

Lulz at Tom...

The only reasons you guys are ragging on me is because you do not understand genetics. If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a preference was genetic is stupid. The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

[got tonkaed]

Lulz at Tom...

The only reasons you guys are ragging on me is because you do not understand genetics. If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a preference was genetic is stupid. The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

So how exactly would this manifest out of curiosity. Seemingly things that are from the process of design are things that show up through our genetic makeup. Yet if we were designed for heterosexual sex, and there was no corresponding preference for it within our genes, then there would be no evidence than such a thing was actual the process of design.

For the third time in the last few pages, your argument stands against and defeats itself.

[Dapper Tom]

Lulz at Tom...

The only reasons you guys are ragging on me is because you do not understand genetics. If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a preference was genetic is stupid. The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

I am informed by Dancing Mustard that he has just found a new contender for the title of "the most retarded thing he has ever witnessed a human say".

Lulz at Nataki.

[Frigidus]

If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a [sexual] preference was genetic is stupid.

The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

???

These two statements seem to indicate a lack of consistency, and the fact that they were not just in the same post but directly next to each other is interesting. Which is it? Does our "design" dictate our heterosexuality (or lack thereof) or is genetic sexual preference stupid?

[got tonkaed]

If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a [sexual] preference was genetic is stupid.

The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

???

These two statements seem to indicate a lack of consistency, and the fact that they were not just in the same post but directly next to each other is interesting. Which is it? Does our "design" dictate our heterosexuality (or lack thereof) or is genetic sexual preference stupid?

HEY STOP REPOSTING EVERYTHING I WRITE!!!

lol look at me type in all caps.

but seriously...my ideas are copyrighted and ill send my group of left wing pacifists to your house with leaflets and videotapes discussing something incredibly boring if you keep up with this charade.

Edit: upon further review...this was teh first time you actually said the same thing...last time you fast posted me. Please accept my humblest apologies and some cd i got at a convention talking about empowerment and the like.

[Frigidus]

If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a [sexual] preference was genetic is stupid.

The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

???

These two statements seem to indicate a lack of consistency, and the fact that they were not just in the same post but directly next to each other is interesting. Which is it? Does our "design" dictate our heterosexuality (or lack thereof) or is genetic sexual preference stupid?

HEY STOP REPOSTING EVERYTHING I WRITE!!!

lol look at me type in all caps.

but seriously...my ideas are copyrighted and ill send my group of left wing pacifists to your house with leaflets and videotapes discussing something incredibly boring if you keep up with this charade.

Sorry about that GT, I missed your post there. I added italics if it makes you feel better.

[got tonkaed]

admittedly it does a little...also it appears i was incorrect about the last time. So I am also sending an IOU as far as getting to make fun of me with use of caps.

[Neoteny]

If you really thought about it you would realize that saying a [sexual] preference was genetic is stupid.

The reason people have heterosexual sex is because we were designed for it.

???

These two statements seem to indicate a lack of consistency, and the fact that they were not just in the same post but directly next to each other is interesting. Which is it? Does our "design" dictate our heterosexuality (or lack thereof) or is genetic sexual preference stupid?

HEY STOP REPOSTING EVERYTHING I WRITE!!!

lol look at me type in all caps.

but seriously...my ideas are copyrighted and ill send my group of left wing pacifists to your house with leaflets and videotapes discussing something incredibly boring if you keep up with this charade.

Edit: upon further review...this was teh first time you actually said the same thing...last time you fast posted me. Please accept my humblest apologies and some cd i got at a convention talking about empowerment and the like.

Why am I not associated with this group? Can you not imagine how quickly I would move up the ranks?

[got tonkaed]

i havent actually made the group...the only thing that matches my charm, intellect, and general awe-inspiring demeanor, is my rampant lack of ability to get things done.

Now ive been outed as a slow poster and someone who cant even organize. Not a great page and a half for me.

[Frigidus]

admittedly it does a little...also it appears i was incorrect about the last time. So I am also sending an IOU as far as getting to make fun of me with use of caps.

I got the urge to type in all capital letters thing out of me with A_True_Yankee.

[got tonkaed]

admittedly it does a little...also it appears i was incorrect about the last time. So I am also sending an IOU as far as getting to make fun of me with use of caps.

I got the urge to type in all capital letters thing out of me with A_True_Yankee.

understandable...that was a bit of a mess in and of itself. I have half a mind to start relurking and only posting in silly talk threads and mafia games, and its only really been like a day.

[Neoteny]

Genetics do not affect behavior except in cases of when genes are retarded. Are you saying homosexuals are retarded?

Retarded genes? No wonder I kept getting shitty grades in all my genetics classes! I must have been sleeping through these parts! Do tell how retarded genes affect our behavior, and how your retarded genes are different from normal genes, and why they should be considered an exception from the norm. Or read everyone else's posts and take a hint.

[Dapper Tom]

Genetics do not affect behavior except in cases of when genes are retarded. Are you saying homosexuals are retarded?

You've played one too many games of Metal Gear Solid I'm afraid...

[Nataki Yiro]

I really don't feel like teaching you genetics. Especially if you get bad grades, because we all know that when you get bad grades in college it's because you didn't read the book and if you did it was the night before the test.

I'll try to sum up because I'm tired and really want to be in bed.

When a gene is retarded you get a defect. Since genes are linked in proteins, when one gene is defective the others are effected. Most defects hamper brain function (this is because our genes are assorted on the homologs [allele pair]) and the chances of you hitting something involved in brain function is pretty high. Like I said not all of these defects effect the brain, but we are talking about behavioral defects.

You have many kinds of disorders (Autosomal, X or Y-Linked, etc.) but typically Multifactorial or Polygenic Disorders are the cause of hampered brain function without a having a million other things wrong with you. Like you being a shem, being infertile, being a vegetable, etc.

These genes are passed down through family, so you would see constant evidence of it occurring in a blood line and not just randomly. Have you ever met a whole family of gay people?

You still think it is genetic? I can keep going if this topic interests you... but it will have to be in the morning because I'm going to bed.

[Nataki Yiro]

Oh and I have only played a little of Metal Gear Solid 1...

[Frigidus]

Oh and I have only played a little of Metal Gear Solid 1...

You should get around to the rest of it, it has it's faults, but it's a great game.

[MeDeFe]

This is the first time I come across the term 'retarded gene'. I've heard of mutations, but never of retardation, is it something creationist or has it been peer-reviewed?