Grimm's Fairy Tales Mafia Day 5!

[pmchugh]

Pmchugh obviously first and foremost needs to do a bit of explaining, but other players are probably going to take care of that.

What exactly do you want me to explain? I gave my reasons for voting will and explained my PR.

which you aren't following in that very post

I dont understand what you mean by that. I have previously explained my reasons for voting will and my PR, here:

tweet tweet here is everything that I said about william:

bark bark the guy that shouts? A pr is actually nothing to go on if thats why you are voting.

woof woof However based entirely on how he has played I agree he looks slightly scummy and with nothing to go on and a deadline fast aproaching I think this is the right way forward. unvote vote william

Here are my reasons for voting, I based it on his style of play, I was wrong but I had better reason than half of the people on the bandwagon

I dont see why anyone unvoted, vanilla? I dont see it, the claim sounds made up to me. Worst case scenario we lynch a vanilla townie and we could do a lot worse in this game.

Well he didnt tell us he had a locked role which would have changed my opinion here, when you claim vanilla in a game this complicted it always rings alarm bells.

Vote william quickly now or else its a no lynch.

Tal can we have a slight extension, just for around another 6 hours or so, theres no way we will get enough votes within two hours but there is a good chaance we will within 8.

woof woof bark bark.

And here:

woof woof bark bark, someone hammer I make it that we have about 10-15 minutes left.

These two posts were only made because I didnt want the day to end in a no-lynch, I didnt believe his claims and he had played scummily.

I think PMC needs to talk about the PR before we go lynching him. A few questions for him:

Did your character change in the night?
Are you changing the animal sound or is it part of your role?
Are you scum?

For your first to questions, its part of my role and right from the start I knew that I would be making dog noises day 1, bird noises day 2 and frog noises day 3. After that I will have no PR. Im disapointed Selin, I thought you would have better reasons for voting someone than their PR, remember yesterday anyone?

For your last question, no I am not.

There were many people on that bandwagon not just me, the reason I was pushing for a lynch was because of the deadline and will's scummy play. I gurantee you that (unless something changes in the night) then I will be ribbit'ing tommorow regardless of whether or not the birds worst enemy dies today.

I do however believe it likely that the wolf/red riding hood situation is probably right but I am neither, if I was the wolf surely I would still be barking have you ever heard of a wolf that tweets? I think that however first mentioned it is either the wolf or little red riding hood. FOS them however it was.

[mr. incrediball]

Pmchugh obviously first and foremost needs to do a bit of explaining, but other players are probably going to take care of that.

What exactly do you want me to explain? I gave my reasons for voting will and explained my PR.

which you aren't following in that very post

I dont understand what you mean by that. I have previously explained my reasons for voting will and my PR, here:

are you a complete dumbass?

why have you stopped tweeting?

[pmchugh]

Pmchugh obviously first and foremost needs to do a bit of explaining, but other players are probably going to take care of that.

What exactly do you want me to explain? I gave my reasons for voting will and explained my PR. tweet tweet/quote]


which you aren't following in that very post

I dont understand what you mean by that. I have previously explained my reasons for voting will and my PR, here:

are you a complete dumbass?

why have you stopped tweeting?

yes, yes I am tweet tweet

[ga7]

Hmm. The whole PMC thing strikes me as fishy, not so much because of his PR but because of the sheer coincidence he pushed for William's lynch post claim (admittedly he wasn't the only one, but William's unability or unwillingless to give a full claim didn't help there) while barking, which is a kinda big one considering both characters point to the Little Red Cap tale. I kinda doubt PMC is some kind of lyncher, as lyncher is a bit of a PITA in large games, but his goal might be to get William dead then the little red cap. Concerning his PR change today... There's also the possibility it's now a fake one. In any case, Vote PMC for now.
That said Droz brings out an interesting point: since he is aware of who got his graces and what are the useful ones, the fact some people layed low with their gift could well mean that some scum got them amongst the 11, as if I recall well Droz selected them. It could be nice to hear of the pervy hooker Kalish (yeah mixing two games together ) either way...

[mandalorian2298]

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I tend to believe ML more than mando on the day 1. Its easy to believe ML to be scummy, but its easy to look scummy when you are primarily the only one posting. While it appears he didnt get an investigation, the fact that he was as consistent as he was on mando's case implies that if he doesnt "know" for certain he at least seemed very confident. The fact that mando also is metagamingly not acting townie doesnt help my personal impression of him.

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So i just add the names, jnd, mando, flores, and kiwi as players of interest going forward after that.

FOS Tonka because I often metagame in themed games (Poets, Sherwood and Othello being the ones that first come to mind, in each of which I was Town) and you have played enough themed games with me to know this. The fact that you knowlingly bring out the argument that you know to be untrue makes me think that you are looking for a scape goat, not scum, to lynch.

Speaking of metagaming, I can't find any shape-shifting characters that changed to frog, wolf and bird. I am not asking for a claim, but I am going to FOS PMCHugh because I find him suspicius.

[Minister Masket]

NEWS FLASH!

I has just been given another gift! It's apparently another one-shot investigation thing.
Instead of choosing a random target myself, are they any requests on someone you lot would like me to use it on?

[Anarkistsdream]

NEWS FLASH!

I has just been given another gift! It's apparently another one-shot investigation thing.
Instead of choosing a random target myself, are they any requests on someone you lot would like me to use it on?

McHugh...

[Minister Masket]

Has he even done anything?
Surely I should pick a more active player....

[got tonkaed]

Has he even done anything?
Surely I should pick a more active player....

Hes only the one that everyone is thinking about bandwagoning.

Youd probably do the game a lot more towards moving along if you used your investigation on him, as we could have a productive day 2 if hes a believer, and we would have a non-believer which would probably confirm some people as likely believers if he showed up that way.

Or you could waste an investigation.

[Minister Masket]

Has he even done anything?
Surely I should pick a more active player....

Hes only the one that everyone is thinking about bandwagoning.

Youd probably do the game a lot more towards moving along if you used your investigation on him, as we could have a productive day 2 if hes a believer, and we would have a non-believer which would probably confirm some people as likely believers if he showed up that way.

Or you could waste an investigation.

Or you could stop berating me, you're lucky I'm asking for advice at all.
Fine, I'll use it on him.

[Anarkistsdream]

Has he even done anything?
Surely I should pick a more active player....

Have you even been reading the thread?

FOS: MM

[got tonkaed]

Well its not a hard choice to make, the fact that you dont jump out and see that without needing to be prompted suggests one of two things...either your not reading, or your not doing it on purpose.

Neither one of them is acceptable and therefore you earned your reprimand. Happens to the best of us, chin up.

[Minister Masket]

Well with that attitude towards help, Mother Teresa would've probaby exploded had she met you.
And yes I have been reading the thread, since Day 1 actually. My brain just hasn't classified him as important t'is all.

Anyway, it's done now. Talapus isn't on though, so don't be expecting an answer yet.

[Anarkistsdream]

Well with that attitude towards help, Mother Teresa would've probaby exploded had she met you.
And yes I have been reading the thread, since Day 1 actually. My brain just hasn't classified him as important t'is all.

Anyway, it's done now. Talapus isn't on though, so don't be expecting an answer yet.

How did you come by this gift, by the way? Did it say how you were granted it?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

My knock out came from a random chance happening that was given to me by Talapus. I did NOT learn anything new as a result of being knocked out.

[KiwiTaker]

Talapus feel free to replace me if you want to. I'm going to be swamped with assignments for the next 2 weeks then i've got exams.

[nagerous]

Talapus feel free to replace me if you want to. I'm going to be swamped with assignments for the next 2 weeks then i've got exams.

Piss poor.. don't sign up for games if you're not going to see them out. You should've known your timetable before joining.

[FloresDelMal]

Other players seem to do things that are scummy at times during the first day. Flores screws up left and right and uses a variety of excuses to seemingly get people off of her case. In fact she probably stands to reason to be a pretty good target for a scum, simply through the sheer number of times people find her doing something which they view as scummy. A simple rule for finding scum seems to be in large games...if a lot of people think you are doing something that is anti-town, you probably are in fact anti-town.

Kiwitaker didnt post a whole lot on day 1, but made a similar post about not wanting people to claim. In actuality people would only be claiming gifts, not their roles. This was a similar post to LV who has turned out to be not such a nice guy. Also kiwi used the ever popular sorry my internet doesnt work. Though this does occur its often also a scum move. No posts, plus scummy excuse, should at least merit some interest.

ok, first i want to know how did i "screw up" and looked scummy, put facts, not your artistic impressions, quote me being scummy and screwing up please.

Second, how come that have connection problems is scummy?? life happens you know, connections go down, here even the cables of the connection get stolen from time to time, in resume "shit happens".

[pmchugh]

tweet tweet, Meh its a bit of a waste of an investigation but it least it will prove me to be a believer. MM do you know why you were given this investigation or who it was from?

[FloresDelMal]

i want to know how MM got his power, how come the same person just for his pretty face got 2 gifts in such a short time (and yes im envious i got none ), how can we know else,that this is not a scheme for make your scum friend look innocent, even playing that little game of

MM: no, why him, him doesnt even register as relevant to me.
PMC: gee, such a waste of a good investigation, oh well, at least ill be proved town.

[nagerous]

KiwiTaker always submarines so it's not a big deal for him. Also, people could use connection problems as an excuse for submarining, this is a game of lies and deception remember and a lot of us are skilled in the art of lying professionally, hence why we love this game so much. It's a slightly back-handed method though to claim connection problems though as just an excuse for submarining as mafia. Kiwi is one of those players like Diddle, Dwightschrute and The Wierd One who never ever post and hence are always good choices for early random lynches.

[FloresDelMal]

couldnt be easy check the risk games of this kind of players for check if them really had connection troubles or is just bs for justify the submarining? someone claiming have no net access might still be taking his/her turns.

[nagerous]

It's a different excuse every time:

2008-05-11 21:36:05 - KiwiTaker: Sorry i took so long i had the flu and was unable to go to uni to access the internet

[Talapus]

Announcement:

KiwiTaker has been replaced by ace1217.

[dustn64]

For Future reference I'll make it easier to read.

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Has he even done anything?
Surely I should pick a more active player....

FOS MM he is pretty much the main topic of day 2 so far.