GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

[FloresDelMal]

if things go to slow on my side of the bargain (sierra leon) and in other side is going better (for example with animorph) ill change my vote accordingly so we can have a lynch.

[Sierra_Leon]

Mandy, why did you ignore my explanation of why I think icedagger is town? Or did you miss it? Anyway, please read it again and tell me how you feel about it.

When you say explanation, do you defer to this: "Mandy, Icedagger, Exile and Talapus were probably not cult at the time of the AD lynch, so are not the recruiter. Exile indeed turned out not to be cult, the other three are still alive. " If that is all, then it is far from conclusive evidence. If there is another post, please tell me the page on which the post in question is located and I will read it again. It should be quite a fucking thing to make me unvote Icedagger.

Yes, I'm referring to the fact that Icedagger was in on the Nark-wagon very early, so is probably not the cult leader. Or do you honestly think he would support the wagon on his day-vig that easily? Nark was probably the cult's greatest asset, as he could vig anyone they fail to recruit. I don't think the cult leader or a cultie would place his vote at that point and risk a bandwagon forming.

Following my nerdy nature, i dedicated a good chunk of my saturday morning to reread this thread, paying special attention to those posts that could give the most information about who could be most likely the cult leader, and i narrowed my choices to 2 players:

first Sierra Leon because he seems very bright and very likely to have a anti-town power role and being able to hide it all along, plus since i joined the game him has been giving me off the vibe of try way too hard to being the perfect townie;

my second choice could be Animorph, but im not really sure and ill explain why: i have 2 theories about Animorph, the first to come to my mind was that nag couldnt give him such an important role to someone that he was even reluctant to let him replace in the first place, but then in a more careful thought it occurred to me that if nag wanted to balance the things in a worst case scenario where the cult was already outnumbering the town, him could choose a sucky but active player up to this role, and i know that animorph is used to be a fairly active player (that almost got his ass banned in a game that we played together), but now him is keeping a way low profile, which make me think that him grew attached to his role, a quite cool role indeed, and if it comes that i am right and animorph is the cult leader, ill hate nag forever for not giving that role to me (because since we both replaced almost at the same time him could have perfectly chosen me for such a cool role, but noo he had to give me a boring one)

so in conclusion, i think we should lynch either Sierra or Animorph today, and if there is any pro-town power role left to investigate/kill the other in the night consider it because i believe one of those two being a cult leader and the other a cult member.

UNVOTE Lovo VOTE Sierra Leon
btw im not unvoting Lovo/GT because i think him is clean, but because i think there are other people that are more important to kill first.

oh and i know that there is much suspicion going on about icedagger being a good candidate for cult leader, but even though mandy's theories are quite tempting (mostly because i love far-reached logic ) i doubt that either mandy or icedagger could be cult leader (even thought there are good chances they might be cult members by now) because both of them were early on in the lynch of AD who was a very important member for the cult.

There are so many things wrong with this post.. Let me start with the part that did make sense: everything you said after voting me. You recognize Tonka as Mafia, but say he's not the lynch for today because we need to hit cult. Then you say icedagger and mandy are probably not the cult-leader, because they were in early on Nark's lynch. Those are the exact same things I said in my previous post! Thanks for agreeing with me, but you're not bringing anything new to the table.

On to the bullshit part of your post. You point out 2 possible suspects: ani and myself. Here's how I read your case on me:

Sierra_Leon is the cult leader because:
1) The cult leader hasn't been caught yet, so he has to be an experienced mafia player. Sierra_Leon is an experienced mafia player, so he's probably it.
2) He's trying too hard to be the perfect townie, so he must be scum.

Do I even have to explain how those arguments can hardly be called arguments at all, or do you see it yourself?

Next, for your case on ani, you accuse him of potentially being the cult leader, but then only present arguments of why he's not likely to be the cult leader. Seriously, WTF? Also, you base your arguments on the assumption that nag distributes the role by hand instead of randomizing them. I can't be sure how nag distributes his roles, but in my games they are 100% randomized. I won't even randomize them again if I don't like the first result. I know some mods don't completely randomize them, but I think we should at least assume that this is the case. In any case, you shouldn't be using this as an argument.

I'm convinced you're scum now, with a good possibility of being the cult leader.

Vote Flores.

[nagerous]

Hmmph, lots of the other mafia threads seem to have gone quite inactive, including the mods. Is this because of people being on exams?

[FloresDelMal]

i have a character name, and if comes to be needed i can easily prove that your theories about me are wrong, anyway are you really experienced? because i dont know a single newbie that votes someone who votes them so fast, a bit jumpy neh? this behavior is quite scummy.

[got tonkaed]

i have a character name, and if comes to be needed i can easily prove that your theories about me are wrong, anyway are you really experienced? because i dont know a single newbie that votes someone who votes them so fast, a bit jumpy neh? this behavior is quite scummy.

sierra might be one of the best active players on the site. Youd actually might do everyone a fair amount of good of showing that you are in fact a townie, because i do think it might have a pretty negative turn on sierra, who could still conceivably be a cult leader.

[icedagger]

Don't roleclaim Flores. We don't want to make it easier for cult than it already is

[got tonkaed]

Don't roleclaim Flores. We don't want to make it easier for cult than it already is

Your right, someone roleclaiming in order to lynch the cult leader would make things easier for the cult, once they cant recruit anymore.

[icedagger]

Except it doesn't get us that much closer to finding the leader, and is a big help to the cult. Sierra's case can be judged on its merits, if it's a good case and Flores is in fact town it doesn't make Sierra that much more likely to be cult leader. I've been meaning to read through Sierra's posts for a while and I'll do it now, along with the other possible cult leaders.

[animorpherv1]

vote: icedagger (again, I still know nothing) thanks mandy

[icedagger]

I'm speechless. Animorph why would you agree to replace if you have no intention of reading the thread? You obviously have no idea why you're voting for me. I said this yesterday- I really really hope you're a terrible scum, and not the world's worst townie.

Moving back into the world of intelligent people.. I'm still very curious as to why you backed out of voting Iliad after pushing for it so much Sierra.

[FloresDelMal]

well the thing is, even thought i know i dont have the finesse (yet) to word a flawless case, i didnt find absolutely anything on sierra that could hint his innocence, sure him acted very townie, but any skilled player can do that regardless of which role have, but contrary to icedagger or mandy, there was nothing that could remotely clear him up, and if more people think my claiming could help town to win ill claim before this day ends.

[mandalorian2298]

vote: icedagger (again, I still know nothing) thanks mandy

First thing that you should know is that the votes should be red and bolded. Now, just to assure you that you at least have made the right choice:

Mandy, why did you ignore my explanation of why I think icedagger is town? Or did you miss it? Anyway, please read it again and tell me how you feel about it.

When you say explanation, do you defer to this: "Mandy, Icedagger, Exile and Talapus were probably not cult at the time of the AD lynch, so are not the recruiter. Exile indeed turned out not to be cult, the other three are still alive. " If that is all, then it is far from conclusive evidence. If there is another post, please tell me the page on which the post in question is located and I will read it again. It should be quite a fucking thing to make me unvote Icedagger.

Yes, I'm referring to the fact that Icedagger was in on the Nark-wagon very early, so is probably not the cult leader. Or do you honestly think he would support the wagon on his day-vig that easily? Nark was probably the cult's greatest asset, as he could vig anyone they fail to recruit. I don't think the cult leader or a cultie would place his vote at that point and risk a bandwagon forming.

Let us remember exactly how Icedagger's vote for AD came about:

1. I called out AD for falling for Wicked's story and insisting that finding Michael is our top priority (at that point Corleone's had already suffered several blows) thus concluding that he is a member of the "Other Mafia" (which turned out to be a Cult). Of course I had been right , and of course no one was taking me seriously (which explains my current feeling of deja vu).

2. Icedagger posted the innermost post of this quote, I called him on it and we had a jovial exchange:

I don't think there's much to the whole Selin thing, although I guess if the mafia have a cop it could be someone they know to be a pro-town power role. Or could always be a double bluff, but I don't think its worth reading that much into it. I really have no idea who the best lynch target is, I found AD's post-

Because he is Michael Corleone, and needs to be offed next.

as to why Wicked mentioned Selin very unconvincing as I think someone mentioned earlier. Wicked is not an idiot and neither is AD.

I don't think its enough to vote on though

A post filled with strong-willed indecisiveness punctuated by the historical "Maybe!". Thanks Icedagger, you really helped a lot.

Frankly Mandy, there's a possibility I may or may not be disgusted by this post, and I strongly urge someone else consider the option of voting mandy. Maybe he's scum, maybe not, but some kind of action must* be taken!

*Bearing in mind of course, the possibly equally beneficial effects of not voting for him.

Notice that Icedagger expresses his suspicion of AD, but he hesitates to vote for him. Thus, he attempts to cover himself from future prosecution, while refraining from starting a serious bandwagon against Nark.

3. Selin makes a long and elaborate post in which he proves beyond serious doubt that Nark shoud be lynched.

4. Seeing that at this point attempting to save Nark would seriously endanger him, should he fail to save Nark, Icedagger smartly decides to cut his loses and vote Nark at once, because that way he hopes to prove beyond doubt that he is NOT a member (let alone Leader) of the Barzini Cult.


The moral of the story: In Mafia, there are more and less suspicious players. NO ONE IS BEYOND DOUBT!!!!

P.S. Since Selin has been killed, I do hope that the remaining townies will decide to vote this Cultie on my proof alone.

[militant]

Regarding the last post, The innermost quote from icedagger does seem suspicious, it almost seems like he is posting to avoid looking like submarining scum, but as Mandy said is being indecisive and is not really saying anything anyone here didnt already know, or could of worked out.

I have set to re read, so at the moment Fos icedagger

[icedagger]

Regarding the last post, The innermost quote from icedagger does seem suspicious, it almost seems like he is posting to avoid looking like submarining scum, but as Mandy said is being indecisive and is not really saying anything anyone here didnt already know, or could of worked out.

I have set to re read, so at the moment Fos icedagger

Oh hi there Mili

[militant]

Regarding the last post, The innermost quote from icedagger does seem suspicious, it almost seems like he is posting to avoid looking like submarining scum, but as Mandy said is being indecisive and is not really saying anything anyone here didnt already know, or could of worked out.

I have set to re read, so at the moment Fos icedagger

Oh hi there Mili

Hello Icedagger

[Sierra_Leon]

Moving back into the world of intelligent people.. I'm still very curious as to why you backed out of voting Iliad after pushing for it so much Sierra.

I started the case on Iliad because I didn't believe there would be 2 JOATS, and Selin was just revealed to be a JOAT. I figured Iliad might have been lying about the fact he investigated Riggable, but he would have had to have gotten the information somehow. So him being cult leader and taking credit for the investigation one of his culties got made sense.

I backed out of it when Iliad produced his role-name. Assuming scum didn't get any safe-claims, I think that a Barzini would rather claim to have a role without a character name rather than guess one and hope it's not used. I believed his claim and at that time I was still assuming that named roles couldn't be recruited, so I unvoted him.

Now that we've learned named roles can be recruited too, the only role-names I trust not to be cultified are Corleone's.

[FloresDelMal]

so you just admited that if i have a role name that is not barzini, of course, is not possible that i could be the cult leader, good to know we are in the same page

[Sierra_Leon]

so you just admited that if i have a role name that is not barzini, of course, is not possible that i could be the cult leader, good to know we are in the same page

Correct. There's always the possibility that you have a fake-claim or you simply guessed right, but a trustworthy rolename would certainly have me unvote you for now.

[FloresDelMal]

this is getting awfully slow, and my only concern about claiming is what could happen with me at the night, and i dont mean about getting night killed, that is not a concern to me, because i am Joe Zaluchi Bulletproof Townie now i hope this will get the things moving, and frankly i dont care if sierra unvotes me or not, what concerns me more is how him could have been so "sure" that i was the cult leader, and why him was so deffensive after i accused him, it smells bad, now could you care to claim sierra? for tha sake of town i mean get the right guy today is in benefit of all of us nah?

[animorpherv1]

vote: icedagger forgot red, again, thanks.

[Sierra_Leon]

this is getting awfully slow, and my only concern about claiming is what could happen with me at the night, and i dont mean about getting night killed, that is not a concern to me, because i am Joe Zaluchi Bulletproof Townie now i hope this will get the things moving, and frankly i dont care if sierra unvotes me or not, what concerns me more is how him could have been so "sure" that i was the cult leader, and why him was so deffensive after i accused him, it smells bad, now could you care to claim sierra? for tha sake of town i mean get the right guy today is in benefit of all of us nah?

I'll unvote, awaiting a possible counter-claim.

I believe I was and am still in my fullest right to be suspicious of you after Skoffin's play and that post where you voted me. I'll be happy to claim though, if animorph and militant also agree to claim, as they're the other two people I'm most concerned about being scum.

[Talapus]

Alright, I hope I don't regret this decision later. But ice and ani are our best options. Many of you put up decent arguments against ice. So, unvote, Vote - - - icedagger(Hope we're right ).

[FloresDelMal]

at this point i think it could be really helpful if animorph, icedagger and sierra claimed, that way we could maximize our chances to catch the leader.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I'll give ice time to defend himself more before i add a vote there to get a lynch. it might be wise with names at this point blah

[icedagger]

Looks like its mass claim o clock..

I'm the governor.