OBAMA

[spurgistan]

Well, you could argue that seeing as something like 84% of black Democrats (IIRC) voted Obama, that they were slighting Hillary because of her race. Now, saying that all those people voted Barack because they preferred a black candidate is baseless and senselessly demeaning, i.e. something Nappy might say. I'd ascribe the feeling to the same feeling Catholics got when voting John F. Kennedy in '60, that this was sort of the final glass ceiling they had to break. Again, I don't know any Catholics who would have elevated that to anywhere near the top of their reasons for voting JFK (that was probably the fact that he was NOT Richard Milhous Nixon, which is a great reason to vote for anybody) but it's a feeling that is hard to distinguish from racism.

[Roger Dodger]

oh my little Cola Nut: relax, have a cold drink and stop getting hot under the collar over peoples points of views.

Dixie: do what makes you happy

Mustard: don't worry be happy

bygones be bygones.


these days you can't say boo to anyone without being called a racist.

remember folks there are other words you can use

antisemite
homophobic
anti-working class
anti-poor
anti-establishment
islamic extremist
religious right
any racial, religious, sexual or handicap related slurs.

please don't tell me that all the people whom have posted here don't have something neg. to say about a race, creed, color or religion or even sexual preference or the handicapped.

so stop the bickering and have fun.

i can honestly say Cola that at one point in my life i lost everything home, job, family.
these are things i cherish.
i worked odd jobs sometimes 2 or 3 jobs to come back from nothing.
but, i never went to the government and asked for anything. okay.
if there is a will there is a way.
yeah, i love money there is no crime in that. i am not rich. but, it's not like in the 90s when i was scrapping by.

[Frigidus]

please don't tell me that all the people whom have posted here don't have something neg. to say about a race, creed, color or religion or even sexual preference or the handicapped.

OK, fine, but does this doesn't excuse shit like "darky" and "half breed". I mean, come on. Really?

[Snorri1234]

these days you can't say boo to anyone without being called a racist.

Oh you can. You just can't say Obama is a muslim or will bring the downfall of America because he's black without being called a racist or an ignorant moron.

[jonesthecurl]

Boo

[Snorri1234]

Boo

NON-RACIST!

[heavycola]

these days you can't say boo to anyone without being called a racist.

Well, you can't say 'i'm not voting for him because he's black' without being called a racist, no.

please don't tell me that all the people whom have posted here don't have something neg. to say about a race, creed, color or religion or even sexual preference or the handicapped.

er... speak for yourself. Religion, by the way, like clothing or profanity, is a choice. Race, disability and sexuality are not. Big difference.

i can honestly say Cola that at one point in my life i lost everything home, job, family.
these are things i cherish.
i worked odd jobs sometimes 2 or 3 jobs to come back from nothing.
but, i never went to the government and asked for anything. okay.
if there is a will there is a way.

That's great. It doesn't excuse you and everyone else who has decided that anyone who can't afford healthcare is a sponging layabout. What it does do is reveal a complete absence of compassion, whether or not you give away the odd half sandwich.

[bradleybadly]

The bookmakers ( who are rarely too far off ) make Obama 1 -2 favourite with McCain the rag at around 7-4, seems to me that anybody who favours the outsider could make a tidy profit putting their money where their mouth is.

Yeah and last year people were saying Hillary was the inevitable nominee. Obama was a 3 to 1 shot back then. Like you said, they are occasionally wrong. The only poll that really matters is the one on election day. Neither guy has faced the other in a direct debate and many things happen which sway public opinion. Look at how the Spaniards changed after being bombed a couple of years ago.

They may be right this time. After all, Obama just secured the endorsement of Fidel Castro. He seems to be racking up quite a few endorsements actually.

[MeDeFe]

I don't know the proper english term but 'inverse psychology' is a pretty good translation, it's when you do or say something to provoke a reaction against it, making a person do exactly the opposite of what you seemed to want them to do.

You might have heard of it.

[The1exile]

I don't know the proper english term but 'inverse psychology' is a pretty good translation, it's when you do or say something to provoke a reaction against it, making a person do exactly the opposite of what you seemed to want them to do.

You might have heard of it.

Close, we call is "reverse psychology", but if you say "that thing in WIFOM" all the mafia peeps will know what you're on about.

[Napoleon Ier]

How is it that if I say, "Vote for Obama! He's black!" That's perfectly acceptable. But if I say, "Don't vote for Obama! He's black!" That's racist and unacceptable?

Well, yes. Although your first option would be mindblowingly stupid.

Racism is when you behave badly towards someone because of their race or the colour of their skin. OK? I love korean women above all others but that doesn't make me racist. It makes me a connoisseur.

Oh, I see, so saying 'I'm voting McCain because he's white' isn't racist then?

Moron.

[The1exile]

Oh, I see, so saying 'I'm voting McCain because he's white' isn't racist then?

Moron.

I think we already established that that would be a supremely stupid reason to vote with, but you also clearly wish us to believe through your oh so subtle attempt at irony that the implication in that statement is that it'll be followed with a statement along the lines of "...cuz I sure as hell ain't havin' no darkie rulin' the mighty US of A! Yeehaw boy, I said yee-haw!"

[Napoleon Ier]

Yet how is that a sentiment any different to perhaps, the common one amongst the average young white middle-class blue state atheist American of unexceptional IQ and ethno-masochistic tendancy, of the "the white man is an evil colonial oppressor of insular and intolerant culture so I'm voting for the black dude to assuage America's collective guilt and to give people of a more tolerant nature a turn in office"?

[suggs]

If you vote for some one on the basis of their skin colour, then you are racist.
Its straightforward.
Hence if you are black and vote for some one who is black, you are racist.
But really, its a very minor form of racism.
Am I racist because i only find white women attractive?
Technically, yes, as i am judging on skin colour.
But seeing as i don't disparage, demean or harm black women, its hardly an issue worth discussing.

Shit. We were not discussing women

[Napoleon Ier]

Everyone is racist. I'm racist. If I knew nothing of three candidates sitting a maths exam other than their races and only one was asian, I'd put my money on him. Nor can anyone honestly say that if made to do so, they wouldn't not place their bet on the black guy in a race if they knew nothing of the other runners.

[suggs]

Yes, for cultural reasons some races seem to be better at some things than others.
No one beats on the English gent when it comes to beating off, for example.

But as Cola remarked the important thing about racism is discrimination.
"Oh, he'll never beat that Asian in a maths exam, cos he's white" IS racist -you are deriding him based solely on skin colour.
Likewise, "I wouldn't vote for Obama cos he's black" is saying you disapprove of Obama becuase he is black -and thats discrimination because he's black.
Racism in this sense (the only important sense) is simply stupid.

[Napoleon Ier]

I'll agree one must perform judgments by "content of character" (in the broadest sense, including intelligence and physical ability), but the "color of your skin" will affect that content.

[Nobunaga]

... I believe that a lot of younger white voters are for BHO at least partly because he is black. I wouldn't call it racism so much as I would call it some deep-seeded "See, I'm voting for a black man, so I'm not a racist" mentality (subconscious stuff here). But I also believe if BHO were white the following would be similar. It's based on several things, working together, IMHO.

1. He's black (mentioned already but making a list here)
2. He's relatively young
3. He can deliver a knock-out speech (and no, it's not only because he has good writers. Can anybody even imagine President Bush trying to deliver Kennedy's "Ask not" speech?)
4. He's hard-core liberal, and this attracts hordes of young people.
5. Right-wingers hate him (so Left-wingers love him by default).

... It's a huge con job, of course. This man is about as black as I am (I'm not black, btw) and grew up in posh schools yet he's managing to play the "Poor black kid from the hood done good" routine.

... And what's odd, as long as this thread has grown, nobody is speaking on BHO's policy issues - nobody. What are they? Where does BHO stand on the issues that concern us?

.... (think I hear crickets)

... It's a sad day when Americans as a whole prove themselves to be stupid enough to let this happen.

... IMHO

[Juan_Bottom]

For the record, once I find that you have been bought. I really don't care what you say your policies are. I think I mentioned this before.

[Napoleon Ier]

What? Real issues? Like raising federal government spending by $800.000.000.000 in the middle of re-fucking-cession to finance the most frivolous and unnecessary load of bullshit? What a mong.

[InkL0sed]

What? Real issues? Like raising federal government spending by $800.000.000.000 in the middle of re-fucking-cession to finance the most frivolous and unnecessary load of bullshit? What a mong.

Whoa. Nappy, what have you been eating/drinking/otherwise consuming lately? I'm impressed!

[suggs]

I'll agree one must perform judgments by "content of character" (in the broadest sense, including intelligence and physical ability), but the "color of your skin" will affect that content.

No. They won't. Pigmentation has nothing to do with a persons abilities.
We've been through this before Nap. The genetic differences between blacks and whites is absolutely miniscule, and has no bearing on personalities.

[Simon Viavant]

... It's a huge con job, of course. This man is about as black as I am (I'm not black, btw) and grew up in posh schools yet he's managing to play the "Poor black kid from the hood done good" routine.

First of all, that's an offensive stereotype. And are you fucking kidding me? He paid off his student loans last year, and only because he made money on his book.

[Napoleon Ier]

I'll agree one must perform judgments by "content of character" (in the broadest sense, including intelligence and physical ability), but the "color of your skin" will affect that content.

No. They won't. Pigmentation has nothing to do with a persons abilities.
We've been through this before Nap. The genetic differences between blacks and whites is absolutely miniscule, and has no bearing on personalities.

Simply put, it's not my belief that a serious study of this has been carried out to date and hence to try and assert with any authority whether the extent to which race affects your general character is great or small is futile.

However, given the huge variations observed in other species spread across geographical areas, where the blight of the politically correct does not impede science, I would lean towards saying that racial genetics play a large part in determining attributes. However, I can certainly tell you that I consider that assertions concerning racial superiority would be revealed to be utter bullshit by serious scientific enquiry, since how one measures superiority is so subjective as to necessitate real and clear differences which I doubt exist based on simple social observation.

I don't know really, nor do I care much, but fundamentally, neither do you.

[suggs]

I'm off to bed.
But I remember a convincing resume of the evidence in Nial Ferguson's intro to "The War Of The World" (talking about how PERCEIVED differences in race was one of the great causes of war in the 20th century). Its clear that there is no real genetic differences between the races. (Its a bloody great 20th century history book as well).

2) Look at the anecdotal evidence before your eyes -all the brilliant white boxers, all the amazing Jewish scientists, all the great african doctors, -all colours can do everything.
Sometimes, Nap, the truth really is that simple.

But buy that Ferguson book -he's a right wing neo-monetarist, so you'll love it!
(or more to the point, he's an anti-Marxist historian).