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Soloman wrote:
wicked wrote:shhh!!!! don't let it be publicly known that you agree with the wicked one, lest you be pelted with rotten fruit. 8-[ because after all, wicked is wicked as the title says...
Maybe I have been lucky but I find I agree with you on most things here, To me you have done nothing wrong and you are wielding your mod powers as you are supposed to but I am not omnipresent in the forum so I do not know all that takes place but overall IMO you are a good and sensible Mod that seems to be the victim of more witch hunts then you actually organize but then again that is just my Opinion.
That post does not mean I feel she is incapable of being wrong or overacting like most people, so as to not draw fire I am just stating I have had nothing but good experiences with Wicked while I respect that other may not share this with me.
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wicked wrote: if you look at the overall picture, you'll see we follow a consistent format when it comes to bans here. And when someone gets up to the longer length bans, admins are always consulted, which happened in prowler's case. The typical* ladder is warnings, 24 hr ban, 3 day ban, 1 week ban, then we start discussing permaban.

If anything is still unclear, please advise..

I have no idea and don't really care about the specific case you mentioned.

BUT, as for the "unclear" part. While you have outlines the process well enough, there is a lot of in consistancies in who gets reprimanded and who doesn't. I don't necessarily want to spell out details in this thread, but I have spent a fair amount of time recently in chatterbox, in the past in Suggs and Buggs, etc. I am pretty good at sorting stuff out, wading through issues, but I see some people berated for basically saying something that one mod or the other just did not agree with (and I don't mean that it was offensive, just that it expressed an opinion with which the mod disagreed) while others are allowed to be downright rude and crude with no reprimand at all.

This is a private site. In that regard, there does not have to be equality.

BUT, what irritates is when statements are made that things are as even as they can be (we all understand human variability ... this goes well beyond that), but they just are not.

I would like to see some more specific guidelines on what is and is not acceptable, written down. Because there are a lot more rules being enforced than the ones you posted in this thread.

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foregone wrote:I'll start with saying the mods are great, selfless, unthanked and generally abused for doing jobs which we'd all sorely miss if they were gone (and yes, I include ALL the mods).

My problem is that CC seems to condone vile naming conventions, abusive chats & pms and generally offensive behaviour to a much greater degree than posting something considered "off-topic". I have a much greater fear that a post of mine will be deemed to have strayed from the path than I would of verbally abusing someone in a game (which I do not, btw).

I'm just not sure that every post which flows pretty naturally from the conversation but is deemed to diverted from the intended path deserves a hiding when the Mods come home. Witty (subjective, of course) and/or humourous responses which are not intimately tied to the original post are, in my mind, what distinguishes a discussion from a mere list of gripes/praises and what brings a little sense of levity to the forum (or at least GD). If the next person who comes along to a topic wishes to comment on what the original poster said, rather than on the one or two responses "off-topic", he/she is still well able to do so. "Off-topic" responses just don't seem to detract from reading the forums, but rather add.

Perhaps its not the mods fault for enforcing this but rather that the distinctions should be more focused on the abuse of the system rather than just trying to ensure that noone strays from the very carefully beaten path.

I almost missed foregone's post, but I agree with a slight modification.

Strict adherance to thread is appropriate in Suggs and Buggs, some other specific threads.

In Chatterbox and many other forums such as the general CC discussion forum, only real outright spamming is a problem.

I mean, if someone wants to post 100 times "I hate dice" in every thread ... OK, BUST THEM! But, if a discussion on immigration ends up getting into health care ... or whether there is a difference in races (kept out of Flame contexts, of course)... or to why Asian food is superior to Antarctic food .... it can be fun.
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Re: Is Wicked Being Wicked Again?????

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I think some updates to the forum guidelines may be in the work. And additionally, as the mod team grows and grows, behind the scenes we are producing more and more mod guidelines, training, etc. The New moderators have started to go through this new process so we'll see how it works. We hope with this additional guidance we can avoid some of our current problems. :)


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deliaselene wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:I think wicked takes her job very seriously, but if she allows you to get to know her a little bit, she can be nice sometimes.

Trust me, NO one was madder at her than me when she stripped away my 1st 5 and top 5 thread, and then had to start it all over, I almost quit the site, no joke, just because of all the time, and effort and work i put into it. and it was not even my fault, some other spammed in there and I got punished for it.


However, she was willing to compromise with me and we worked it all out, now I got a crush on her :lol:


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mmm...and you were suggesting what Blitzy?



I am suggesting some be nicer to her, she takes a lot of heat, perhaps some warranted, but a lot not warranted.
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Blitzaholic wrote:
deliaselene wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:I think wicked takes her job very seriously, but if she allows you to get to know her a little bit, she can be nice sometimes.

Trust me, NO one was madder at her than me when she stripped away my 1st 5 and top 5 thread, and then had to start it all over, I almost quit the site, no joke, just because of all the time, and effort and work i put into it. and it was not even my fault, some other spammed in there and I got punished for it.


However, she was willing to compromise with me and we worked it all out, now I got a crush on her :lol:


do not tell suggs [-X


mmm...and you were suggesting what Blitzy?


I am suggesting some be nicer to her, she takes a lot of heat, perhaps some warranted, but a lot not warranted.


well you have lots of shiny medals and wicked is big on awarding medals in FW...overall wicked gets as much as she dishes out...she's a big girl i think she can look after herself Blitzy...must say I have not noticed you in that forum so your opinion is limited...
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Back from Forum Jail, and I must say that I am surprised that this thread is still going? I am amazed at the response. Also, I am a little disappointed that there appear to be quite a few posts on this thread that are off topic. Even our Mod Wicked appears to be guilty of it. Consistency!!!!!! Key Word. Remember people the topic is "Is Wicked Being Wicked Again?"


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deliaselene wrote:must say I have not noticed you in that forum so your opinion is limited...


i guess u missed my over 8,400 posts, but u pretty active and post a lot on here with your 147 :roll:


back to the topic, the ? was asked is wicked being wicked again? overall, i think she is pretty fair, she usually gives a warning or a heads up before any action is taken to give players an opportunity to change whatever behavior may be going on, this is also is very fair. now, for the whole thing on owen and all, i really do not know the whole story, so therefore, it is not fair for me to comment on that ban owen got, cause i do not know all the facts. i like big O a lot, he a good friend to me.

but if all mods are being fair, giving players a verbal warning and the player keeps the attitude or behavior up, they must do something, without rules, there is chaos.
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AndyDufresne wrote:I think some updates to the forum guidelines may be in the work. And additionally, as the mod team grows and grows, behind the scenes we are producing more and more mod guidelines, training, etc. The New moderators have started to go through this new process so we'll see how it works. We hope with this additional guidance we can avoid some of our current problems. :)


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Thank you for listening and responding. I believe we (at least the mature majority) understand that perfection is not possible, but we appreciate efforts at improvement.

P.S. If you want/need more specifics on the situations I mentioned, I can do so privately. I just don't want to get into it any more publicly. ( the "Streisand effect")
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AndyDufresne wrote:I think some updates to the forum guidelines may be in the work. And additionally, as the mod team grows and grows, behind the scenes we are producing more and more mod guidelines, training, etc. The New moderators have started to go through this new process so we'll see how it works. We hope with this additional guidance we can avoid some of our current problems. :)


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I wasn't necessarily questioning the forum guidelines. I was questioning the consistency in the enforcement of them. I have seen quite a few posts in this thread that seem to be off topic, and nothing has been mentioned. Twill posted in the BpB forum, that the Mods are going after "OFF TOPIC" posts, that does not seem to be the case here.
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We are attempting to curb such inconsistencies with more and more training procedures for new mods. Hopefully we'll be able to set better and new standards. Of course, modding at times isn't black and white and falls into subjectivity, but we are aiming for more consistencies.


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ctwong1 wrote:Twill posted in the BpB forum, that the Mods are going after "OFF TOPIC" posts, that does not seem to be the case here.


Ah I See - I wondered why I got a PM off of Wicked for posting in here... things are starting to become clearer...

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Want my opinion? Tough, you're not getting it. The "madness-meter" has already exceeded the Persian Messenger level in this thread.

All I will say is that the most "popular" mods did pick rather unfortunate screen-names, but that's their look-out.
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Minister Masket wrote:Want my opinion? Tough, you're not getting it. The "madness-meter" has already exceeded the Persian Messenger level in this thread.

All I will say is that the most "popular" mods did pick rather unfortunate screen-names, but that's their look-out.


Sir,

That post is "OFF TOPIC", and it will not be tolerated. LOL
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ctwong1 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:Want my opinion? Tough, you're not getting it. The "madness-meter" has already exceeded the Persian Messenger level in this thread.

All I will say is that the most "popular" mods did pick rather unfortunate screen-names, but that's their look-out.


Sir,

That post is "OFF TOPIC", and it will not be tolerated. LOL



:lol: =D> where is wicked?
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This topic is about the mods, yes? Then explain how it's off-topic numbskulls.
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Minister Masket wrote:This topic is about the mods, yes? Then explain how it's off-topic numbskulls.


and this is spam?
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Minister Masket wrote:explain how it's off-topic numbskulls.
Please stop flaming outside of FW, it is against the guidelines.
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Minister Masket wrote:This topic is about the mods, yes? Then explain how it's off-topic numbskulls.


First of all, I was taking a poke at the consistency of the Mod, and there enforcement of off topic posts. Hence the LOL at the end of my last post.

Second, the name of the thread changed somewhere on the 3rd or 4th page, as you can see below. So to answer your question, no the topic is not about the Mods. It is about Wicked.

ctwong1 wrote:Received a PM from Wicked, so I have changed the name and subject of the thread. Please feel free to re-vote, with the new subject matter. You may refer to the first post of the thread. HA

wicked wrote:Subject: Are the "Global" Mods Being Wicked Again?????

ctwong1 wrote:I'm curious as to how many of you out there in CC land think the "Global" Mods are being Wicked, I mean abusive of their Mod powers?


Why bring the other global mods down with your attack on me? You don't need to hide what's blatantly obvious. ;)

Just curious, w/o looking, do you even know who the other globals mods are?
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AndyDufresne wrote:We are attempting to curb such inconsistencies with more and more training procedures for new mods.

I think most of the people in this thread are having troubles with an old mod...
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Ditocoaf wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:We are attempting to curb such inconsistencies with more and more training procedures for new mods.

I think most of the people in this thread are having troubles with an old mod...

two old mods maybe?
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Perhaps more ... or perhaps different individuals have different issues.

Overall, I think we need them and appreciate them, but...
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PLAYER57832 wrote:Perhaps more ... or perhaps different individuals have different issues.

Overall, I think we need them and appreciate them, but...


I assume from your post you voted maybe...
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I think it is fair to assume, that if you take the "Yes" votes and add them to the "Refuse to answer" votes, the majority of people on here have voted that Wicked is back to her old ways of inconsistencies, so far.
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ctwong1 wrote:I think it is fair to assume, that if you take the "Yes" votes and add them to the "Refuse to answer" votes, the majority of people on here have voted that Wicked is back to her old ways of inconsistencies, so far.

Almost the majority, exactly 50% atm.
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MeDeFe wrote:
ctwong1 wrote:I think it is fair to assume, that if you take the "Yes" votes and add them to the "Refuse to answer" votes, the majority of people on here have voted that Wicked is back to her old ways of inconsistencies, so far.

Almost the majority, exactly 50% atm.


Make that 51% v. 41%
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