WWII Europe

[Joodoo]

very squished map, but I love maps with lots of territories
I think a bonus for holding an entire front would be good
and what's the bonus for holding Berlin or all three stars?

[Qwert]

by Joodoo on Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:46 am

very squished map, but I love maps with lots of territories
I think a bonus for holding an entire front would be good
and what's the bonus for holding Berlin or all three stars?

Well one day in near future,lack will finish hes redesign of site and will alove to map be biger,and then i will rewamp map,but these can be very long period.

No need for that,because now you all ready have big bonuses if you hold one of fronts-Western Front-25+14 on terittoires=39 army-Eastern Front 28+14 on teritories=42. I strictly agains big bonuses,its more interest when you have chance for fight,and to not lost game after 5-6 turns.
Bonuses for Berlin and Central front i still not decide,but for hold stars is on map(visualy)3 stars mean to get 3 army.

[DiM]

well sorry to rain down on qwert's parade but am i the only one who feels the map is too damn cramped?
i like the whole map but i would NEVER play it like this. it gives me a headache just looking at it and trying to read the text or observing the borders.

qwert, you've been patient so far, why not work on something else and let this wait until you can make it on a bigger size.

[gimil]

Believe it or not most agree.

[lanyards]

well sorry to rain down on qwert's parade but am i the only one who feels the map is too damn cramped?
i like the whole map but i would NEVER play it like this. it gives me a headache just looking at it and trying to read the text or observing the borders.

qwert, you've been patient so far, why not work on something else and let this wait until you can make it on a bigger size.

I agree. Almost all the territory names have to be abbreviated, and the abbreviations have to be sideways or crooked. Everything is way too cramped. Wait until size restrictions are lifted, or if they aren't, work on something else.

--lanyards

[Qwert]

but that why is large image exist here. .

by DiM on Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:52 pm

well sorry to rain down on qwert's parade but am i the only one who feels the map is too damn cramped?
i like the whole map but i would NEVER play it like this. it gives me a headache just looking at it and trying to read the text or observing the borders.

qwert, you've been patient so far, why not work on something else and let this wait until you can make it on a bigger size.

I waith 9 month,and still not get any answer who will say that lack will finish these job(i know that he still not start with these redesign,but have in plans). I know that is cramped,but i do mine best to resize into 630px. Large image will help if something not understand for people,but i thinking that people who play bouth map(eastern and Wester),all ready know what is what without reading names.

I agree. Almost all the territory names have to be abbreviated, and the abbreviations have to be sideways or crooked. Everything is way too cramped. Wait until size restrictions are lifted, or if they aren't, work on something else.

--lanyards

I realy want to finish these map,and aim waiting 9 month,so i think that halt period is over,because i realy dont want to waith another year or 10 year to these job be finish.
I all ready work on Imperium romanum,but i dont have free time,to work in some new map.
For me its not good to have more unfinish project,and one mine project last 6 month.

[gimil]

Qwerts its no one but your own fault that you had to wait. You fine well knew that you would have to wait for size restrictions to be increased and you went ahead and made te map anyway. Its not lacks fault youve been kept waiting, its your own.

[lanyards]

Qwert, you know you can make this map look a lot better if you just wait till size approval. Is being impatient worth ruining the map? I think it might be pretty good for gameplay, so just wait.

--lanyards

[t-o-m]

well sorry to rain down on qwert's parade but am i the only one who feels the map is too damn cramped?
i like the whole map but i would NEVER play it like this. it gives me a headache just looking at it and trying to read the text or observing the borders.

qwert, you've been patient so far, why not work on something else and let this wait until you can make it on a bigger size.

well said DiM, you got my opinion in there.

[Qwert]

by lanyards on Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:34 pm

Qwert, you know you can make this map look a lot better if you just wait till size approval. Is being impatient worth ruining the map? I think it might be pretty good for gameplay, so just wait.

--lanyards

Lanyards,i tell you again,nobody guaranty,that lack will redesign site to alove biger maps.

by gimil on Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:31 pm

Qwerts its no one but your own fault that you had to wait. You fine well knew that you would have to wait for size restrictions to be increased and you went ahead and made te map anyway. Its not lacks fault youve been kept waiting, its your own.

Why is mine fault? You openly say that map can not go forward with biger size then 630px,so i work to map be aceptabile for these size. Do you want to tell me that you will not alove that map now move forward,or what? Please be open,because i dont understand where these discusion go.

[DiM]

Why is mine fault? You openly say that map can not go forward with biger size then 630px,so i work to map be aceptabile for these size. Do you want to tell me that you will not alove that map now move forward,or what? Please be open,because i dont understand where these discusion go.

but the problem is it isn't acceptable. the small version is horrible. i can barely read the abreviated names i can barely distinguish the borders, it's really nasty.

please just wait. i also have maps that are waiting for a change. either in size or in xml but you don't see me ruining them just to squeeze in 630px.

[wcaclimbing]

I can read it.
I think its playable.
Yeah, its a little cramped, but You can still read everything.

Only problem I see is near France. France's borders get covered up by the names around it, So you can't see its borders.

Everything looks ok, other than that.
I'd like to see it put on hold, but I think it'll work like it is now.

[Qwert]

Dim
but the problem is it isn't acceptable. the small version is horrible. i can barely read the abreviated names i can barely distinguish the borders, it's really nasty.

please just wait. i also have maps that are waiting for a change. either in size or in xml but you don't see me ruining them just to squeeze in 630px.

Dim,you say your point one time,there is no need to say these again,and again,and again.
I waith 9 month,if i want to waith more,then i will not even try to create 630px version,but i will show large image to,and its nice to all who find something not distiguish in small version,that why large image exist,to help if someon not quit understand.

by wcaclimbing on Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:48 am

I can read it.
I think its playable.
Yeah, its a little cramped, but You can still read everything.

Only problem I see is near France. France's borders get covered up by the names around it, So you can't see its borders.

Everything looks ok, other than that.
I'd like to see it put on hold, but I think it'll work like it is now.

I think also is playabile.Well big help for France(Western Front)is that people will know what is what,because map is original from quenched map.These player who dont play map,can look large image,and then all is easy,and only need to play one game to understand all.

[gimil]

Qwerts you cant say that people should have to look at another map to understand this one, each map should be treated as uniqe when creating it.

[Qwert]

by gimil on Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:48 am

Qwerts you cant say that people should have to look at another map to understand this one, each map should be treated as uniqe when creating it.

Well if people want to see Eastern or Western front,they can,because its a same-borders,terittories names,colours. Its all same,to last detal.
Of course that these map is unique,but parts of these map is original with other two.So if people want to look,first he can look WWII EUROPE large map,and then he can look other two,and can not be mistake.

[yeti_c]

You also can't force people to play on the large image.

C.

[gimil]

by gimil on Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:48 am

Qwerts you cant say that people should have to look at another map to understand this one, each map should be treated as uniqe when creating it.

Well if people want to see Eastern or Western front,they can,because its a same-borders,terittories names,colours. Its all same,to last detal.
Of course that these map is unique,but parts of these map is original with other two.So if people want to look,first he can look WWII EUROPE large map,and then he can look other two,and can not be mistake.

BUT you cant use the excuse that if boarders arnt clear on THIS map then a player can go look at ANOTHER map for clarification. You have to make this map clear ON this map, not by going through a 3rd party for clarification.

[Qwert]

by yeti_c on Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:35 pm

You also can't force people to play on the large image.

Who say that?Why will i force people to look large image?

Gimil
BUT you cant use the excuse that if boarders arnt clear on THIS map then a player can go look at ANOTHER map for clarification. You have to make this map clear ON this map, not by going through a 3rd party for clarification.

With all these restriction,i think that map is aceptabile. If you think that some borders is not enough clear,please tell me,and together we can solve problem. ,Ofcourse you can say that all names must be in terittory,and all Circles must be in terittories,knowing that these is not possible,and blocking proces on map,or you can find medium solution that names can go out terittories and that some part of borders been clear enough to show connection with other terittories,what is present situation.

[gimil]

Thats not what im saying...but nevermind.

[Qwert]

new update,i finish with large image.so here all two images.
small

Click image to enlarge.

large

Click image to enlarge.

[DiM]

qwert, the small map is impossible to play on and you can't tell people to look at another map or to play on the large one. each map has to be legible.

that being said i would like a version where names aren't abbreviated, where i don't have to tilt my head in all directions and squish my nose on the screen to read.

as for borders, here are just a few of the many problems: does Pays border Paris? does Paris Border Brad or Dev?

and one more question why does the SDP box have different colours than those on the map?

[Qwert]

by DiM on Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:37 pm

qwert, the small map is impossible to play on and you can't tell people to look at another map or to play on the large one. each map has to be legible.

that being said i would like a version where names aren't abbreviated, where i don't have to tilt my head in all directions and squish my nose on the screen to read.

as for borders, here are just a few of the many problems: does Pays border Paris? does Paris Border Brad or Dev?

and one more question why does the SDP box have different colours than those on the map?

No its not impossible to play.I can not put all names,and you know these.So i find solution,and names is short.
Ofcourse they border with Paris.

SDP colour? What is problem with that colour?
Like i say in previous post,you say that you dont like map in these dimension,so what is point to repeat your self,one time is enough. I expect that some people will be strictly against these map in these dimension,but i can not pleased every body,so people who want to play these map will be pleased,because map is enough aceptabile for play. If paris create some problem,then i will create new inset for paris,because i have space down of SDF.

[Plutonium 244]

Man you should have just gotten World War II the central front to that might be fun to play with

[Qwert]

by Plutonium 244 on Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:57 am

Man you should have just gotten World War II the central front to that might be fun to play with

I explane these several time,find mine ansver in topic.

[TaCktiX]

I would agree with the general illegibility of both maps. The Large isn't as bad as the Small, but in both you've got what amounts to an invitation for whiplash with the names. Hold off on the Whole Hog WWII Europe with all the territories until larger maps are allowed (we'll wait with you, promise). Take this one, and cut down the number of territories in places. Merge a few bonuses if need be, play with the numbers a bit, and see what happens.