Why do Christians get ridiculed so much?

[Skittlesandmnms]

Well like throughout history we have been made fun of, tortured, and even killed

Please STFU.

I say this as a Jew.

jeez... what the f*ck is wrong with you?

[vtmarik]

Think what you want. SW made a statement that was totally unfounded. He calls me close-minded for disagreeing with him (pot/kettle thing going on) and then VT laughs hysterically at what? The fact that someone took a jab at jay_a2j. Give me a break.

It's called 'juxtaposition' and I happen to find unexpected occasions of it very funny. Especially when you display traits of being a member of the inquisition about 400 years too late.

A hyperbole, I know, but I'm feeling very vaudeville tonight.

[Mirak]

Dear Jay, Jargo, and others ( with the notable exception of Ambrose)

I will try to keep this simple for you

You guys obviously enjoy to debate/argue about Christianity/God/Religion

To discuss these things in order to explore different view points, to educate oneself, to refine and amend your own argument, and to share your own beliefs while respecting others is healthy.

To rant and rave that only you are right and everyone else is a fool is a sure sign of the weakness of your argument and your own lack of confidence in your "belief"

To memorise the words of the Bible without understanding the spirit of the message, demonstrates a lack of compassion and imagination that I would think even Christ would have found exasperating

So if you want to do credit to your religion and beliefs try to open your mind to different perspectives and putting your views across in reasonable, rational, well thought out words (like Ambrose usually manages to do)

If however you simply enjoy being contentious, controversial, and argumentative for the sake of being argumentative (which is what I strongly suspect) you are in severe danger of being seen as hypocrites.

[jay_a2j]

Dear Mirak, Backglass, Christpher Reeves and other atheists/agnostics.


Please practice what you preach. Why must Christians accept your views while you may dismis ours? Why argue there is no God without having a well thought out arguement? Yet demand a well though out argument?

No one forces you into these threads and certainly no one forces you to post in them. If you can't handle debate about religion there are other threads to visit.


Make no mistake, there is no "lack of confidence" in my faith. You can twist words and scripture all day long, it makes you look foolish and must become quite tiresome having to keep pulling feet out of your mouths.

In closing remember, God loves you and so do I.

[reverend_kyle]

Well like throughout history we have been made fun of, tortured, and even killed

Please STFU.

I say this as a Jew.

jeez... what the f*ck is wrong with you?

that is funny on so manyh levelss... even if you arent really

[Skittlesandmnms]

i am.

[vtmarik]

Dear Mirak, Backglass, Christpher Reeves and other atheists/agnostics.

Dear Jay, Jargo, and others ( with the notable exception of Ambrose)

W00t! I love being in neither category!

*Sings the "I'm an Odd Little Monkey" song*

[heavycola]

Why argue there is no God without having a well thought out arguement? Yet demand a well though out argument?

^^THIS makes the baby jesus cry.

Drawing on scienctific evidence and logic = a well-thought out argument
"If it's in the bible it must be true, therefore if it isn't in the bible (aliens, allah, liza minelli) it can't be" = poor argument

Jay all any of your interlocutors have done is provide good counterarguments, which, to be fair, you usually ignore.

[Jargo The Axe]

all evolutionary science is a theory, right? well..... i recall the definition of a theory is (in a nut shell) hypothesis accepted as fact. key word hypothesis

[mightyal]

You recall...poorly.

After collecting a lot of data, look for patterns in the data. Attempt to explain these patterns by making a provisional explanation, called a hypothesis.

Test the hypothesis by collecting more data to see if the hypothesis continues to show the assumed pattern. If the data does not support the hypothesis, it must be changed, or rejected in favor of a better one. In collecting data, one must NOT ignore data that contradicts the hypothesis in favor of only supportive data. (That is called "cherry-picking" and is commonly used by pseudo-scientists attempting to scam people unfamiliar with the scientific method. A good example of this fraud is shown by the so-called "creationists," who start out with a pre-conceived conclusion - a geologically young, 6,000 year old earth, and then cherry-pick only evidence that supports their views, while ignoring or rejecting overwhelming evidence of a much older earth.)

If a refined hypothesis survives all attacks on it and is the best existing explanation for a particular phenomenon, it is then elevated to the status of a theory.

[jay_a2j]

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

[Backglass]

Please practice what you preach. Why must Christians accept your views while you may dismis ours? Why argue there is no God without having a well thought out arguement? Yet demand a well though out argument?

Jay, we have given you extremely well thought out arguments at every page of this topic. You respond with meaningless bible quotes, and "just wait you will see". You have shown us ZERO...other then the above. FAITH is all you have. And since I believe you are truly insane, faith is all you need. Sane people need more than that.

No one forces you into these threads and certainly no one forces you to post in them. If you can't handle debate about religion there are other threads to visit.

We have handled them quite well I would say...even making you question your own participation out of your inability to respond with a coherent response. By the same token, no one forces you to post new ones proclaiming another cultish belief...yet you continue.

Make no mistake, there is no "lack of confidence" in my faith.

I now know that, and that is why arguing with you is pointless. You have ZERO objectivity. ZERO ability to see alternatives. There IS no argument in your mind, you just quote from your bible and say "see, there....it's true".

I can't argue with you jay as I believe you have a mental illness. You have shown yourself to be truly brainwashed , which I find sad. You have had these things beaten into you since birth by brainwashed parents and the cycle will surely continue with your kids. You so believe in these fairy tales, you would rather die than believe they are just that. You cant argue with the insane.

You will live a very happy, (albeit deluded) life I am sure. Much as drug addicts are very deluded & happy with their addictions, your drug (a2j) has made you ecstaticly happy...and blinded.

[jay_a2j]

You have had these things beaten into you since birth by brainwashed parents and the cycle will surely continue with your kids. You so believe in these fairy tales, you would rather die than believe they are just that. You cant argue with the insane.

When I was a teen my whole family "found God" at the same time (except my brother who later did before he passed away) So, I had lived my childhood without knowing God. It wasn't "beat" into my head nor do I beat it into my childrens heads....

[Aradhus]

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

Evolution is based on observable data. It is more a fact than the THEORY of God.

And 'law of gravity' is more a phrase than anything. We haven't quite been able to pin gravity down.

[mightyal]

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

Um does your ignorance know any bounds? Gravitation is a theory in exactly the same way that evolution is. There is absolutely no reasonable doubt about either's existence.

[jay_a2j]

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

Um does your ignorance know any bounds? Gravitation is a theory in exactly the same way that evolution is. There is absolutely no reasonable doubt about either's existence.

They really need to do better in the public school systems.

[heavycola]

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

Um does your ignorance know any bounds? Gravitation is a theory in exactly the same way that evolution is. There is absolutely no reasonable doubt about either's existence.

They really need to do better in the public school systems.

Please explain.

[stinkycheese]

You have had these things beaten into you since birth by brainwashed parents and the cycle will surely continue with your kids. You so believe in these fairy tales, you would rather die than believe they are just that. You cant argue with the insane.

When I was a teen my whole family "found God" at the same time (except my brother who later did before he passed away) So, I had lived my childhood without knowing God. It wasn't "beat" into my head nor do I beat it into my childrens heads....

I love how you responded to the most irrelevant part of his argument. You always tend to dodge the arguments you cannot answer. Much in the same way you dodge the fact that there isn't yet an answer to the origin of the universe. You choose god as an easy answer even though there isn't a shred of reliable evidence to support god.

They really need to do better in the public school systems. Rolling Eyes

I would love to know what your educational background is like...

[Mirak]

Jay thanks for the love....

"Debate" is what most of us here would like..but you only seem to be able to quote from the Bible and expect us all to accept that as fact...if we did accept it as fact, without any question, we would not be having this conversation in the first place.

At least recognise this point, and try to answer questions we raise with more than just..."well I know...so there..." type of answers

In other words....I do not expect you to accept my views but I would appreciate the courtesy of a rational response instead of mindless Bible thumping...

[mightyal]

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

Um does your ignorance know any bounds? Gravitation is a theory in exactly the same way that evolution is. There is absolutely no reasonable doubt about either's existence.

They really need to do better in the public school systems.

Please explain.

I assume this is an attempted dig at me rather than a long overude admission of ignorance. I can't see any inaccuracy in my statement above. Please enlighten me.

[vtmarik]

And i love how he switches from a debate on the nature of faith with me (that he is sure to lose) to a debate about something he thinks he has the goods on: Science.


How can someone, who admittedly tuned out his science teacher, have any basis on which to make his claims? I mean, we already know you didn't pay attention in science class, so that means you missed the part about gravity being a theory as well. The accepted fact that the Earth revolves around the sun, that's a theory too. And that's also contradicted by the Bible.

I know, don't worry. I know what you're thinking, "One step at a time..."

[Boxcutta]

OMGZ THEIRS TEH WAR ON CHISMASS!!!

//didn't read this thread because what's the point really?

[vtmarik]

OMGZ THEIRS TEH WAR ON CHISMASS!!!

//didn't read this thread because what's the point really?

To inform Jango the axe why some of us make fun of Christmas.

[Boxcutta]

Damn. I was hoping to get out of here without reading jay's incoherent ramblings when I caught this gem:

But a hypothesis/theory is not a fact. If it were it would be stated as such.

The law of gravity, not hypothesis/theory of gravity.

And too many people refer to evolution as FACT, when it is not a fact.

Jay, people have already pointed out to you you're wrong about this. They have been kind enough to show you why and how you are wrong. Why do you keep making the same wrong arguments?

You're equivocating and misusing the word "theory." In the context of "the theory of evolution," it does not mean what you pretend it means. In context, according to Webster's, theory means "the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art, as in music theory."

Surely you accept that music exists. I know you are not stupid, so please stop misusing the word theory. There are many other ways you can criticize evolution if you so choose, but saying it's not considered a fact by scientists is disingenuous.

[Mirak]

marik your avatar is a bit how I imagine Jay might look when practising his preaching in front of the bathroom mirror