A Common-Sense PLEA against Clickmap use

[MajorRT]

Freestyle sucks. Clickable Maps exploits this, but the suckiness originates in Freestyle itself.

Completely agree with this.

C.

Same here....freestyle sucks...

[BaldAdonis]

Play sequential and you won't have to deal with it.

[MOBAJOBG]

If I aspire to strike gold in the Olympics 2008 as a swimmer, I'd better get myself a Speedo swim suit. Trust me when I say, ...Speedo swim suit equals to clicky script.

[Fruitcake]

If I aspire to strike gold in the Olympics as a swimmer, I'd better get myself a speedo swim suit.

Whilst I would work harder and still ultimately beat you.

[MOBAJOBG]

If I aspire to strike gold in the Olympics as a swimmer, I'd better get myself a speedo swim suit.

Whilst I would work harder and still ultimately beat you.

Btw., I don't use clicky. Trust me when I say, ...if I did, I would swim around you in circles.

[Fruitcake]

If I aspire to strike gold in the Olympics as a swimmer, I'd better get myself a speedo swim suit.

Whilst I would work harder and still ultimately beat you.

Btw., I don't use clicky.

Kudos to you then Mobby me old mate...that's what we need....more grafters showing the way!!

[retrocrush]

I just created a new plug in called "Lick Maps". You just put your tongue on the country you want to attack and your armies fly around. It's quite an advantage, but I'll admit that it's hard to see the whole map while you're licking Ural.

[Scott-Land]

I am no longer going to argue for my post, I will let the community make with it. Maybe I am a minority who disagrees with them, and if that's the case so be it.

Clicky maps are definitely a legal form of cheating. I would rather lose points then use the script to win. There are several "high ranked" players on this site who use it now in order to be "competitive" hence the reason for such high scores. People can argue that this isn't the case but we all know it is.

Have the top 10 players that use clicky maps delete the script and you will see a drastic drop in points, guaranteed. Not taking anything away from their skill, they just cannot compete with others that do use it.

Take Scott-land for example, great player, knows the game, however, he wouldn't have the points he's earned without clicky as well as others in the top 10. I played in a game with Scott-land yesterday, he dropped his men as did I, I thought I had plenty of time; as he attacked his first country, i attempted to attack. He was 4 territories away from my stack, as I hit attack, my men were gone.

Get rid of this ridiculous script! Another fine addition to this site from Lack; well done!

Not sure which map you were playing Code but SIberia to China isn't 4 terr's away. For that matter, I'm not sure which game you were playing as you were dead- no kills would've given you an edge. I beat you on a regular basis before I installed CM- the only difference now is that you lose faster. A bit of advice- when there's a kill, drop your armies don't sit and wait for a sneak attack.

ps: I was in the top 5 before I installed CM

[Phlaim]

I am no longer going to argue for my post, I will let the community make with it. Maybe I am a minority who disagrees with them, and if that's the case so be it.

Clicky maps are definitely a legal form of cheating. I would rather lose points then use the script to win. There are several "high ranked" players on this site who use it now in order to be "competitive" hence the reason for such high scores. People can argue that this isn't the case but we all know it is.

Have the top 10 players that use clicky maps delete the script and you will see a drastic drop in points, guaranteed. Not taking anything away from their skill, they just cannot compete with others that do use it.

Take Scott-land for example, great player, knows the game, however, he wouldn't have the points he's earned without clicky as well as others in the top 10. I played in a game with Scott-land yesterday, he dropped his men as did I, I thought I had plenty of time; as he attacked his first country, i attempted to attack. He was 4 territories away from my stack, as I hit attack, my men were gone.

Get rid of this ridiculous script! Another fine addition to this site from Lack; well done!

Not sure which map you were playing Code but SIberia to China isn't 4 terr's away. For that matter, I'm not sure which game you were playing as you were dead- no kills would've given you an edge. I beat you on a regular basis before I installed CM- the only difference now is that you lose faster. A bit of advice- when there's a kill, drop your armies don't sit and wait for a sneak attack.

Maybe you went China->Mong->Irk->Kam->Yak and then Siberia?

And could everyone that just writes "Freestyle sucks" just get away from this topic and find one that is about that specific subject? If someone wants to play freestyle, let them! Freestyle is different from sequential and some people prefer it. What's the problem with that? This topic was created to view the problem of CLICKABLE MAPS used in freestyle, not freestyle itself.

[codeblue1018]

I am no longer going to argue for my post, I will let the community make with it. Maybe I am a minority who disagrees with them, and if that's the case so be it.

Clicky maps are definitely a legal form of cheating. I would rather lose points then use the script to win. There are several "high ranked" players on this site who use it now in order to be "competitive" hence the reason for such high scores. People can argue that this isn't the case but we all know it is.

Have the top 10 players that use clicky maps delete the script and you will see a drastic drop in points, guaranteed. Not taking anything away from their skill, they just cannot compete with others that do use it.

Take Scott-land for example, great player, knows the game, however, he wouldn't have the points he's earned without clicky as well as others in the top 10. I played in a game with Scott-land yesterday, he dropped his men as did I, I thought I had plenty of time; as he attacked his first country, i attempted to attack. He was 4 territories away from my stack, as I hit attack, my men were gone.

Get rid of this ridiculous script! Another fine addition to this site from Lack; well done!

Not sure which map you were playing Code but SIberia to China isn't 4 terr's away. For that matter, I'm not sure which game you were playing as you were dead- no kills would've given you an edge. I beat you on a regular basis before I installed CM- the only difference now is that you lose faster. A bit of advice- when there's a kill, drop your armies don't sit and wait for a sneak attack.

ps: I was in the top 5 before I installed CM

Wow, how the arrogance has grown. We aren't disputing the fact that you beat me on a "regular basis" Scott, lol. We are talking about why top ranked players are using it. Without cm, you would not be anywhere close to the points you've attained to date, we both know this so now we can stop talking about it.

I am referring to yesterdays game Scott. I was on Greenland, you were on Kam. I had no shot at winning. The point of the matter was how fast you were. The fast drops / attacks leaves all players not using cm as basically useless. This is the point of the conversation Scott. Never said I was better; never said I beat you. Re-read the post.

I have a great idea, since you were in the top 5 previously without cm, why not disable it and play as you used to. I'm betting that will never happen as expected.

[Scott-Land]

I'm not gonna ass with your inadequacies Code. You're more than welcome to check my casual seq/ dubs game for the points and ranks to see how many points I've gained using CM. Sure it's made me more competitive- and that's the only reason I installed the script. 300-400 points in the last 3-4 weeks doesn't change the fact that I was at 3900 and inside the top 10 without CM. Even if I wasn't, I surely don't have to justify myself to the likes of you. According to you EVERYONE is a either a suicider, have no clue, and/or Cm users and for those reasons you can't win in the 3 man games you play so much. Perhaps you should look inward on why you struggle playing these games. I'd respect you more if you had some substance to your whining on why the CC world is so unfair to you- fortunately I don't have the time or patience.

I have a great idea, since you were in the top 5 previously without cm, why not disable it and play as you used to. I'm betting that will never happen as expected.

Can you imagine where my score/rank would be if I had used it when Poo, Skiller, Fble, etc etc 5 months ago? THROUGH THE ROOF


Can a topic be on topic without me involved ?

[Ramned]

Play sequential and you won't have to deal with it.

i AM NOT going to change my game style to avoid these.

NOBODY HAS DEFENDED CLICKMAPS.LACKATTACK PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

I am going to try to gather a petition to make get rid of clickmaps. Just read this thread. Obviously the Silent Majority has been more clear and reasonable than those MINORITIES who use clickmaps, who have yet to defend their cause. I sure hope they're squashed, damn that will squash the leaderboard. I bet 1 out of 2 on the top 50 use them. While about 1 of 7 2000+ and probably 1 of 50 on the site altogether.

Anyways, I will gather a petition.

[codeblue1018]

Play sequential and you won't have to deal with it.

i AM NOT going to change my game style to avoid these.

NOBODY HAS DEFENDED CLICKMAPS.LACKATTACK PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

I am going to try to gather a petition to make get rid of clickmaps. Just read this thread. Obviously the Silent Majority has been more clear and reasonable than those MINORITIES who use clickmaps, who have yet to defend their cause. I sure hope they're squashed, damn that will squash the leaderboard. I bet 1 out of 2 on the top 50 use them. While about 1 of 7 2000+ and probably 1 of 50 on the site altogether.

Anyways, I will gather a petition.

Couldn't agree more. Rid this ridiculous script!

[edbeard]

I'm really not sure what Lack can do about it since it's a script and he had nothing to do with creating it.


Also, everyone has the ability to get it (except, apparently, Ramned who for some unnamed reason is not able to download the script). I do think some advertising would be good for all scripts. With the new headlines thing that'd be a lot easier to say check out these useful scripts. Or, send a PM to anyone who plays a freestyle game (only after their first one (including people who've played hundreds of freestyle)) so they know it exists.



The script just changes the interface. It happens to be very efficient and useful for certain game types. There's nothing wrong with advancement. Everyone can get it (except Ramned ) so there's nothing wrong with it. Just make sure everyone knows about it.

[Ramned]

I'm really not sure what Lack can do about it since it's a script and he had nothing to do with creating it.


Also, everyone has the ability to get it (except, apparently, Ramned who for some unnamed reason is not able to download the script). I do think some advertising would be good for all scripts. With the new headlines thing that'd be a lot easier to say check out these useful scripts. Or, send a PM to anyone who plays a freestyle game (only after their first one (including people who've played hundreds of freestyle)) so they know it exists.



The script just changes the interface. It happens to be very efficient and useful for certain game types. There's nothing wrong with advancement. Everyone can get it (except Ramned ) so there's nothing wrong with it. Just make sure everyone knows about it.

No, not everyone can get it. I am not sure why I cant I believe it is because I use internet explorer. But several have told that they cannot even download it. And spreading the news to get EVERY SINGLE person to use it isnt worth it. As I said before, click map users are a minority on this site.

One way to rid this erroneous script is to make it a bannable offense. PM the site users and give plenty of time's warning. Close the thread that contains the download / script.

[FabledIntegral]

Play sequential and you won't have to deal with it.

i AM NOT going to change my game style to avoid these.

NOBODY HAS DEFENDED CLICKMAPS.LACKATTACK PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

I am going to try to gather a petition to make get rid of clickmaps. Just read this thread. Obviously the Silent Majority has been more clear and reasonable than those MINORITIES who use clickmaps, who have yet to defend their cause. I sure hope they're squashed, damn that will squash the leaderboard. I bet 1 out of 2 on the top 50 use them. While about 1 of 7 2000+ and probably 1 of 50 on the site altogether.

Anyways, I will gather a petition.

Many people have, you're just too dense to see it, it appears.

I have no doubt my score has risen since I installed CM, from about 2250 to 3810 at one point. But since then my gameplay has also evolved, I've learned to read the map better, and my competition has also increased because more CM users have become more prevalent.

Most games that are 8-p freestyle have at least 50-60% of the users using CM. Yet my win% hasn't drastically dropped. Obviously there's still quite a bit of skill involved. One may argue I have a better connection, but that's a problem with freestyle, not CM.

There is no way plausible to remove CM - it's already been said in the Suggestions forums. You've said yourself you tried to DL it and failed, it seems you would have gladly jumped on the bandwagon and dropped this entire scenario had it worked for you.

Is speed freestyle, according to you, not highly about speed in itself? I'd say it's just as much of a disadvantage for you to be fast using drop downs... maybe your connection is faster... etc. Hell, you're saying "to people who don't know about CM are getting screwed," what about "people who don't know the map are getting screwed." In time comes knowledge... it's not hard to figure out CM exists, just as over time it's not hard to learn a map.

The "silent majority" must be the "freestyle silent majority" as a "majority" of the players play sequential, not freestyle. And on that note, we're back to the "people who play freestyle have inflated scores over those that play sequential." In case you haven't understood my point and think I'm not "defending the issue..." the point is that I'm attacking your argument in itself. Your argument is just a step down the ladder of the bigger issue people have with freestyle overall - hypocritical of you to use such points and still play freestyle then.

P.S. The last 2 8p freestyles I've played without CM I won... vs players using CM.

[poo-maker]

I couldn't give a shit about clickable maps in a 1v1, theres still skill involved that can win you the game. What I am extrememly pissed off about though is noobs in 8 player games who think that they're the shit just because they have clickable maps. They have literally 0 game knowledge and base their entire game strategy on just stealing kills.

A second, even more annoying aspect of clickable maps is those people that think that they can out-pace anyone before they cash. I'm sick of noobs running over half of my stacks because they think that they are fast enough to take around 5 terr's before someone cashes. Had a moron do that to me yesterday, and he acted as if he had made a legitimate move. Fucking tossers.

[spikeboat]

ramned, clickable maps dont tell you how to play like some chess engine... furthermore would you have them call good internet cheating??????? i mean some people have it and others dont and using only drop downs in freestyle this will give you a huge advantage... what about good computers... give me a break... freestyle rewards speed and if you cant deal with that or clickys then go play sequential

The problem isn't freestyle- the problem are 1 vs 1 games. Point dumping to creating new accounts to jacking your rank up by beating up guys that have no idea how to play- they join because they can take their turns more frequently. You remove this game type and the bottom will drop out from many of the so called ' top players'. It's simply noob farming. If you want to blame as most of the players do on this site- blame that game type.

furthermore...

playing heads up is by far the easiest way to loose pts on this website... many... MOST maps when played heads up a certain player has a clear advantage from the drop... furthermore, bc it is simply you against them if they have hot dice your complete f*cked... i lost 750pts going cross map on small rather straight forward maps in 24 hours last weekend bc noobs kept joining my games... i used clicky and played perfect... i think your mistaken about the 1v1 advantage... only really exhists on "technique" maps (waterloo, actium, feudal fog, ect) where noobs join up and have no real idea about how to achieve the lucrative bonuses or how best to attack you...

[spikeboat]

A second, even more annoying aspect of clickable maps is those people that think that they can out-pace anyone before they cash. I'm sick of noobs running over half of my stacks because they think that they are fast enough to take around 5 terr's before someone cashes. Had a moron do that to me yesterday, and he acted as if he had made a legitimate move. Fucking tossers.

agree! clickable maps is cheating for anyone who doesnt understand how to play!

[Ditocoaf]

The following is a defense of clickable maps.

In every other game but Freestlye, clickable maps gives no advantage to the user. In a normal, sensible Sequential game, clickable maps simply makes it more convenient, and less annoying, to control the game. I love having this option, and it gives me no unfair advantage. You wish to ban this because it gives someone an unfair advantage in Freestlye. You forget that a lot of things give someone an unfair advantage in Freestyle. Better internet speed is a huge advantage; unlimited free time is another huge advantage. The game type itself is horribly flawed. So why should we remove something that is nice, and harmless, in other game styles, just to fix PART of a problem with a flawed game style?. I don't play freestlye anymore--clickable maps isn't cheating for me--so don't tell me that I'm not allowed to use this.

[edbeard]

No, not everyone can get it. I am not sure why I cant I believe it is because I use internet explorer. But several have told that they cannot even download it. And spreading the news to get EVERY SINGLE person to use it isnt worth it. As I said before, click map users are a minority on this site.

One way to rid this erroneous script is to make it a bannable offense. PM the site users and give plenty of time's warning. Close the thread that contains the download / script.

I'm pretty sure greasemonkey is a firefox only thing (or it was anyway). firefox is free and it doesn't explode like explorer. It's a better overall browser. Free to anyone. just download it and you'll be able to get the script.


Start spreading the news (do do do do do do do do do do)...it IS worth it because it's quite a good script since it makes play faster and easier than drop down menus.

Making it a bannable offense is a ludicrous idea. How do you prove someone is using it? You can't. You can only speculate. It's open to everyone so complaining about how it is unfair is illogical. This thing gives people an advantage and I can get it but I don't want to so lets ban people that do use it. That's a very stupid idea. It just is. I'm not flaming you. It's just a horrible idea with hardly any thought behind it (or at least not sensible thought).


btw, I don't even use this script (I don't play freestyle).

[hulmey]

No, not everyone can get it. I am not sure why I cant I believe it is because I use internet explorer. But several have told that they cannot even download it. And spreading the news to get EVERY SINGLE person to use it isnt worth it. As I said before, click map users are a minority on this site.

One way to rid this erroneous script is to make it a bannable offense. PM the site users and give plenty of time's warning. Close the thread that contains the download / script.

I'm pretty sure greasemonkey is a firefox only thing (or it was anyway). firefox is free and it doesn't explode like explorer. It's a better overall browser. Free to anyone. just download it and you'll be able to get the script.


Start spreading the news (do do do do do do do do do do)...it IS worth it because it's quite a good script since it makes play faster and easier than drop down menus.

Making it a bannable offense is a ludicrous idea. How do you prove someone is using it? You can't. You can only speculate. It's open to everyone so complaining about how it is unfair is illogical. This thing gives people an advantage and I can get it but I don't want to so lets ban people that do use it. That's a very stupid idea. It just is. I'm not flaming you. It's just a horrible idea with hardly any thought behind it (or at least not sensible thought).


btw, I don't even use this script (I don't play freestyle).

Its not fair though. Furthermore, why should people be forced to download "firefox" and then download clickable maps!!!

For this reason i stay clear of "freestyle". This game type is for cheaters and its really changed the site in a bad waY!

[edbeard]

if you want BOB or other scripts you need firefox too. firefox is a better browser anyway. it's not a big deal to download it.

people just keep saying, "it's not fair". that doesn't make it true. everyone has the same access to the script. if you don't want to download it then that's on you. complaining and complaining is the easy way out.



I don't like freestyle either but to each his own. I'll let other debate the penis comparing contest of the top points on the scoreboard. I could care less. I do think it's important to make sure new users don't have a negative experience right off the bat. More press about these scripts is not a bad thing.

[Ramned]

If nothing is done, I am in the mean time going to place any cm user on ignore. I will gladly play any of you in not 1 v 1 games as the cm adv is more approachable though still it is bogus in several people's opinion.

FI - I would not download that script unless the whole CC did.

[Ramned]

The following is a defense of clickable maps.

In every other game but Freestlye, clickable maps gives no advantage to the user. In a normal, sensible Sequential game, clickable maps simply makes it more convenient, and less annoying, to control the game. I love having this option, and it gives me no unfair advantage. You wish to ban this because it gives someone an unfair advantage in Freestlye. You forget that a lot of things give someone an unfair advantage in Freestyle. Better internet speed is a huge advantage; unlimited free time is another huge advantage. The game type itself is horribly flawed. So why should we remove something that is nice, and harmless, in other game styles, just to fix PART of a problem with a flawed game style?. I don't play freestlye anymore--clickable maps isn't cheating for me--so don't tell me that I'm not allowed to use this.

Ah ha! now this is a good defending post.

I suppose the best way for me to approach this issue is to ignore any clickmap users who play 1 v 1 freestyle. Of course, that sucks, as most of the "best" players here use it ... on 1 v 1 freestyle ... Id say 80% of the top 10... but ah well, if I am forced to download the damned things I will, but I doubt that that time is anywhere near. At least I got where I am by using what I got, rather than add-ons...