Skoffin's Madhouse mafia Day Seven

[william18]

Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

Stop trying to cover your ass.
Once again, when you're getting closer to your own lynch you change strategy, this time throwing that 'threat' back in out faces.
On day one, you started apologizing, mass apologizing.
My vote still stands on you Dito.

Do you believe that Dito is more likely to be scum the Exile?

1. Dito fakeclaiming is almost impossible
2. Exile made a shakey counter-claim that only provided the role(no name which might indicate he's lying)

But im leaning on the conclusion tht their both lyncher trying to lynch each other. Thats why im keeping my vote because I don't want to give a survivor a large advantage. Either way, lynching Dito is not the way, and no good can come of it.

[DRoZ]

Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

Stop trying to cover your ass.
Once again, when you're getting closer to your own lynch you change strategy, this time throwing that 'threat' back in out faces.
On day one, you started apologizing, mass apologizing.
My vote still stands on you Dito.

lol, what do you expect him to do? Of course he is going to grasp at straws if he is under the gun. By the way I was the one to bring up his threat in the first place, and I brought it up again a page or two ago, it is a valid argument, and one that deserves to be accounted for.

[DRoZ]

Don't forget exile's cryptic threat:

Exile, I believe this was asked before, but I don't remember your answer: are you a survivor too?

Currently, yes, if I die, I lose. But I can seriously mess up the game if I do

Stop trying to cover your ass.
Once again, when you're getting closer to your own lynch you change strategy, this time throwing that 'threat' back in out faces.
On day one, you started apologizing, mass apologizing.
My vote still stands on you Dito.

Do you believe that Dito is more likely to be scum the Exile?

1. Dito fakeclaiming is almost impossible
2. Exile made a shakey counter-claim that only provided the role(no name which might indicate he's lying)

But im leaning on the conclusion tht their both lyncher trying to lynch each other. Thats why im keeping my vote because I don't want to give a survivor a large advantage. Either way, lynching Dito is not the way, and no good can come of it.

I agree the dito claim seems to be true and the only way it could be a fake claim is with help with the mod, which I doubt. Exile did give his name, one is Herodotus and the other is Thucydides I can't remember which is which.

[Ditocoaf]

I'm Thucydides

[DRoZ]

In looking back about all the naming of these two historians, I have stumbled onto another small tidbit of info about exile... It seems AD was questioning exile about his name, which he did not state at first. Exile said he did not see this question and posts this after ga7 and kwan both say something about not having a name...

Oh whoops, I knew I'd forgotten something - do you want my name?

Now it doesn't bother me that he forgot to post his name, but to answer 3 people's question with another question and not bothering to tell people your name until 10 and a half hours after you were first asked, is troubling.

[Innervision]

Vote Dito
kalish basically had to bail Dito out. Dito was very close to the gallows, nothing he was saying was helping his case. Kalish may have seen a fellow scum going down in flames, and started with the whole 'lynch helps scum' spiel. Remember that the whole time he was preaching a no lynch, he never bothered to unvote.

[Anarkistsdream]

In looking back about all the naming of these two historians, I have stumbled onto another small tidbit of info about exile... It seems AD was questioning exile about his name, which he did not state at first. Exile said he did not see this question and posts this after ga7 and kwan both say something about not having a name...

Oh whoops, I knew I'd forgotten something - do you want my name?

Now it doesn't bother me that he forgot to post his name, but to answer 3 people's question with another question and not bothering to tell people your name until 10 and a half hours after you were first asked, is troubling.

THANK YOU! Jesus, I tried to bring it up more than once.

[fireedud]

unvote

This whole situation is very confuzzling.

[icedagger]

Can we move on from dito and exile now? They're creating a lot of confusion and it's pretty clear neither of them is mafia, so we're wasting our time when we should be finding a lynch.

[Anarkistsdream]

Can we move on from dito and exile now? They're creating a lot of confusion and it's pretty clear neither of them is mafia, so we're wasting our time when we should be finding a lynch.

And whose lynch were you advocating?

[F1fth]

Well, if I were to name who I find most suspicious, I'd probably have to say Sierra. He's a player that looks at things from lots of angles, and is excellent in finding the big picture, and yet he bit too hard into the Dito bandwagon even though it's plain to see there's a couple important problems in his accusation. Plus, the attached post is one HUGE backtrack:

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

Looking back at my own post, I see I worded it a bit harshly. I was in a bad mood yesterday, that might have something to do with it. I take back the part where I said I won't vote anyone but Dito. The post quoted by DRoZ where I said "I still prefer Dito, on the chance he's not a lyncher but mafia, but I'll be content with an exile lynch too" was written in a clearer state of mind and that's the statement I'm sticking with. The part where I said I'll FOS everyone who's not voting anyone was a bit crude perhaps, but I stand by my opinion that 18 not voting out of the 30 people alive is an awful lot. Don't these people have an opinion of there own, are they afraid to vote for some reason, or are they waiting for a bandwagon to grow before they join in? I really wish these people would participate more actively.

As for why Dito is scummier than Exile: Dito can be tied/connected to a lot of people who spoke in his favour and even defended him from a lynch day 1. I already mentioned this before: those people were fircoal, animorph, Nark, and most importantly Kalish, who was mafia. I can't see a survivor/lyncher having so many ties with other players. Exile fits the survivor/lyncher-profile much better, I can't connect him with other players that easily. Thus Dito has a better chance of turning up mafia than exile does.

Maybe he really was having a bad day and it unintentionally leaked into his posts (happens to me, too), but that along with his play on the Dito wagon is just too much for me to let go. I know this isn't gamebreaking material, but it's the best I got.

Vote Sierra

[Anarkistsdream]

OK

This day is dragging and we have, what, less than 48 hours left?

Unvote
Vote: Sierra

[Sierra_Leon]

OK

This day is dragging and we have, what, less than 48 hours left?

Unvote
Vote: Sierra

Haha, this is the best logic ever: "the game is dragging and the deadline is near -> let's get my vote off of one of the two best options for a lynch and switch to this other person". Tell me AD, what are you trying to achieve? If more people follow your vote and I get more votes than exile/dito, what then? By that time, the deadline will likely so near that me claiming isn't going to make a difference, because people will probably be back online too late to unvote. And I'm certainly not going to claim now, just because there's a chance that scenario might happen. So I'll ask again, what are you trying to do? Because it looks to me like you would rather lynch somebody who could have a powerrole than you would lynch a claimed survivor.

[animorpherv1]

Well, if I were to name who I find most suspicious, I'd probably have to say Sierra. He's a player that looks at things from lots of angles, and is excellent in finding the big picture, and yet he bit too hard into the Dito bandwagon even though it's plain to see there's a couple important problems in his accusation. Plus, the attached post is one HUGE backtrack:

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

Looking back at my own post, I see I worded it a bit harshly. I was in a bad mood yesterday, that might have something to do with it. I take back the part where I said I won't vote anyone but Dito. The post quoted by DRoZ where I said "I still prefer Dito, on the chance he's not a lyncher but mafia, but I'll be content with an exile lynch too" was written in a clearer state of mind and that's the statement I'm sticking with. The part where I said I'll FOS everyone who's not voting anyone was a bit crude perhaps, but I stand by my opinion that 18 not voting out of the 30 people alive is an awful lot. Don't these people have an opinion of there own, are they afraid to vote for some reason, or are they waiting for a bandwagon to grow before they join in? I really wish these people would participate more actively.

As for why Dito is scummier than Exile: Dito can be tied/connected to a lot of people who spoke in his favour and even defended him from a lynch day 1. I already mentioned this before: those people were fircoal, animorph, Nark, and most importantly Kalish, who was mafia. I can't see a survivor/lyncher having so many ties with other players. Exile fits the survivor/lyncher-profile much better, I can't connect him with other players that easily. Thus Dito has a better chance of turning up mafia than exile does.

Maybe he really was having a bad day and it unintentionally leaked into his posts (happens to me, too), but that along with his play on the Dito wagon is just too much for me to let go. I know this isn't gamebreaking material, but it's the best I got.

Vote Sierra

Must be blue. Follow what you preach.

[Anarkistsdream]

OK

This day is dragging and we have, what, less than 48 hours left?

Unvote
Vote: Sierra

Haha, this is the best logic ever: "the game is dragging and the deadline is near -> let's get my vote off of one of the two best options for a lynch and switch to this other person". Tell me AD, what are you trying to achieve? If more people follow your vote and I get more votes than exile/dito, what then? By that time, the deadline will likely so near that me claiming isn't going to make a difference, because people will probably be back online too late to unvote. And I'm certainly not going to claim now, just because there's a chance that scenario might happen. So I'll ask again, what are you trying to do? Because it looks to me like you would rather lynch somebody who could have a powerrole than you would lynch a claimed survivor.

Your right, because I fear nothing from a survivor. They are most likely lynchers or lynchees and their roles alone suggest that killing either one of them could make the other more powerful, or even switch his alignment.

You have done nothing but attack using very weak reasoning, you have been so carefree just in the way that you posted what I just quoted.

Fifth, Icedagger, and others all agree, so it isn't as if you haven't had evidence presented against your scumminess, and, yet, you continue your antagonistic approach.

As much as you have defended Exile, if you come up scum, he's a dead man. He claimed after Dito and used his own antagonistic approach, and yet you still defend him.

I personally think you two look like you may know each other...

Nothing I have written should be news to you, but I like your flagrant disregard of all evidence presented against you.

[animorpherv1]

I'd vote you Sierra, but I already am. Truth be told, you DO seem like Exile is your mafia scum mate. It doesn't seem right, you haven't thought about lynching him, and all you have done is basically "lynch Dito!" exactly what I did in TWO's RT mafia when I had to go. I wish I didn't have to go.

Who won that anywayz?

[danodukebb]

how many until -1? cause im not about to hammer just yet

[Ditocoaf]

Nobody is anywhere near the requisite 16 for a hammer.

[danodukebb]

oh haha

[Sierra_Leon]

@AD: I like how you're apparently convinced exile's a lyncher and my scum buddy.

[Anarkistsdream]

@AD: I like how you're apparently convinced exile's a lyncher and my scum buddy.

They are most likely lynchers or lynchees and their roles alone suggest that killing either one of them could make the other more powerful, or even switch his alignment.

This does not show that I am 'convinced.'

And I still love your blase attitude

[F1fth]

Must be blue. Follow what you preach.

Vote Sierra

And what what do you mean?

[danodukebb]

@AD: I like how you're apparently convinced exile's a lyncher and my scum buddy.

They are most likely lynchers or lynchees and their roles alone suggest that killing either one of them could make the other more powerful, or even switch his alignment.

This does not show that I am 'convinced.'

And I still love your blase attitude

good point AD

vote sierra

[Ditocoaf]

vote s_l

If there's a scum result, exile's next. If it's a town result, I'm probably next.

[Salubri]

OK

This day is dragging and we have, what, less than 48 hours left?

Unvote
Vote: Sierra

Haha, this is the best logic ever: "the game is dragging and the deadline is near -> let's get my vote off of one of the two best options for a lynch and switch to this other person". Tell me AD, what are you trying to achieve? If more people follow your vote and I get more votes than exile/dito, what then? By that time, the deadline will likely so near that me claiming isn't going to make a difference, because people will probably be back online too late to unvote. And I'm certainly not going to claim now, just because there's a chance that scenario might happen. So I'll ask again, what are you trying to do? Because it looks to me like you would rather lynch somebody who could have a powerrole than you would lynch a claimed survivor.

Hmmm key word is "could". You "could" also be scum. And why should the town fear a survivor when survivors win when a faction wins. So if the town wins, the survivor wins, and it's not like they can discuss strategy or pm the mafia at night if the y are survivors.Dito and Exile will always be a lynch option from now on. I think it's especially helpful to the town to look at other scum options as it prevents the town from getting tunnel vision on just the two while letting other people get away with whatever it is they are trying to get away with. Of course, SL has the valid point that killing them would serve the same purpose [if they're dead, less attention given to them (at least until people tire of trying to reanalyze everything)]