Mr_Adams wrote:why is fencing foggy? and why is there only 1 fencing bracket? you do realize they have Foil Epee and Saber fencing... and do they do doubles fencing in the olympics? THAT is fun. get my friends Will and Mikey against Eric and I and we could fence all day. Ya, fencing. I missed it all summer. can't wait for school to start. OMG, I DID NOT just say that .
If you noticed, only track has multiple events. I couldn't possibly include every single event (if you read the first post, I believe it says there are over 300 events ). I chose foggy for that because of the protective armor and facemask that is worn in the event.
Mr_Adams wrote:And why must you have premium membership? I don't see anywhere that it says multiple games at once. can't you have somebody compeeting in just one bracket?
I did not allow freemiums because I knew that most everybody who signed up would play in more than 1 event. Also, I never said that there wouldn't be multiple games at the same time. Right now, pretty much every event is going to have some sort of pool play for the first round, and then a 4, 6, or 8 player/team bracket to determine the medalists. Plus, I don't have time to wait around for freemiums to open up a game slot.
We have very nearly finalised our line-up - will post it tonight... but we still have a couple of queries:
1) How many games do you envisage being played at the same time (especially the freestyle ones)? - if it is a lot, then it may be too much for a single player to handle all 3 events.
2) Track singles - some of these events will have 2 players from the same clan reaching the final (or maybe playing before) - are secret alliances allowed for these events (because they WILL occur anyway)? The win for the clan will (for us and any other serious clan) be more important than the individual win... so a level of "teamwork" whether actually communicated or just implied will be inevitable... the freestyle games in particular will IMO be won like this - one player weakens another so that the clan's mate can wipe the board on an esc run.... or there are undefended borders in a fog game.... the potential abuse is huge - SO please either get the site to actively condone secret alliances (for these events only) OR only allow one player per clan per event.
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
2) Track singles - some of these events will have 2 players from the same clan reaching the final (or maybe playing before) - are secret alliances allowed for these events (because they WILL occur anyway)? The win for the clan will (for us and any other serious clan) be more important than the individual win... so a level of "teamwork" whether actually communicated or just implied will be inevitable... the freestyle games in particular will IMO be won like this - one player weakens another so that the clan's mate can wipe the board on an esc run.... or there are undefended borders in a fog game.... the potential abuse is huge - SO please either get the site to actively condone secret alliances (for these events only) OR only allow one player per clan per event.
Well if you say that an assumption can be made that clan mates will work together why not just announce it in the game chat so it's not a "secret" anymore... I don't think that terms of an alliance need to be outlined do they?
If the announcement isn't made then maybe you have two clan mates that really don't like each other and want to kill each other off .
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
2) Track singles - some of these events will have 2 players from the same clan reaching the final (or maybe playing before) - are secret alliances allowed for these events (because they WILL occur anyway)? The win for the clan will (for us and any other serious clan) be more important than the individual win... so a level of "teamwork" whether actually communicated or just implied will be inevitable... the freestyle games in particular will IMO be won like this - one player weakens another so that the clan's mate can wipe the board on an esc run.... or there are undefended borders in a fog game.... the potential abuse is huge - SO please either get the site to actively condone secret alliances (for these events only) OR only allow one player per clan per event.
Well if you say that an assumption can be made that clan mates will work together why not just announce it in the game chat so it's not a "secret" anymore... I don't think that terms of an alliance need to be outlined do they?
If the announcement isn't made then maybe you have two clan mates that really don't like each other and want to kill each other off .
I guess a "we are in the same clan so expect us to play for the common good of our clan" would be OK - but could the play I described above be considered "intentional throwing of a game"? - which is listed as a "gross abuse" of CC in the rules?
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:We have very nearly finalised our line-up - will post it tonight... but we still have a couple of queries:
1) How many games do you envisage being played at the same time (especially the freestyle ones)? - if it is a lot, then it may be too much for a single player to handle all 3 events.
2) Track singles - some of these events will have 2 players from the same clan reaching the final (or maybe playing before) - are secret alliances allowed for these events (because they WILL occur anyway)? The win for the clan will (for us and any other serious clan) be more important than the individual win... so a level of "teamwork" whether actually communicated or just implied will be inevitable... the freestyle games in particular will IMO be won like this - one player weakens another so that the clan's mate can wipe the board on an esc run.... or there are undefended borders in a fog game.... the potential abuse is huge - SO please either get the site to actively condone secret alliances (for these events only) OR only allow one player per clan per event.
1) I'm not 100% sure yet on how many games will be at one time. What do you think would be the cut off for how many freestyle games 1 player should have at a time? I will take that number into consideration and possibly stagger the start of multiple games in the same event.
2) Technically in the Olympics, each player runs their own race. I would really like for that to be observed for this tournament. IF two players from the same clan make it to the finals, I encourage everyone to play with honor and announce everything in chat if it must come to that. If there are complaints about secret alliances and they seem substantiated, I will disqualify the offending players.
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:We have very nearly finalised our line-up - will post it tonight... but we still have a couple of queries:
1) How many games do you envisage being played at the same time (especially the freestyle ones)? - if it is a lot, then it may be too much for a single player to handle all 3 events.
2) Track singles - some of these events will have 2 players from the same clan reaching the final (or maybe playing before) - are secret alliances allowed for these events (because they WILL occur anyway)? The win for the clan will (for us and any other serious clan) be more important than the individual win... so a level of "teamwork" whether actually communicated or just implied will be inevitable... the freestyle games in particular will IMO be won like this - one player weakens another so that the clan's mate can wipe the board on an esc run.... or there are undefended borders in a fog game.... the potential abuse is huge - SO please either get the site to actively condone secret alliances (for these events only) OR only allow one player per clan per event.
1) I'm not 100% sure yet on how many games will be at one time. What do you think would be the cut off for how many freestyle games 1 player should have at a time? I will take that number into consideration and possibly stagger the start of multiple games in the same event.
2) Technically in the Olympics, each player runs their own race. I would really like for that to be observed for this tournament. IF two players from the same clan make it to the finals, I encourage everyone to play with honor and announce everything in chat if it must come to that. If there are complaints about secret alliances and they seem substantiated, I will disqualify the offending players.
1) 2 or 3 max at a time? - the freestyle games have very very nearly meant we didn't enter - in fact I will have to play some of them (and I have only ever played 1 freestyle casual game - an accident) and suck up the expected huge loss in points that are likely. 3 freestyle casual events with 3 games each would mean 9 games to be checked on an hourly (?) basis.
2) Also in the Olympics, there are very very few "free-for-all" events. This is why the initial reaction of my clan was one of surprise that anything other than 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 was included. In athletics events, you either take your turn on your own in the field events, or you have to stick to your lane, or (for the long distance races) if there is physical contact then often someone gets DQ'd. In the physical contact sports, fencing, martial arts etc, the matches are always 1v1 so "team work" is never an issue. Due to the nature of CC games, Formula One "team orders" seem more the order of the day.
None of this applies to CC singles games, which are full contact free-for-alls. My concern is much more about "attempted" escalating takeouts (especially in the freestyle games)... imagine this: I have poor dice when trying to start an escalating chain win, and my clansmate takes his turn 15 mins later and easily wipes the board. "Teamwork" or "good fortune" - I would hate to judge on that one??? - just trying to highlight it in order to avoid you any controversy down the line.
Kilazul wrote:LOL. I wish people would stop complaining about the rules. If you wanna make em, TO your own tournament stop trying to hi-jack someone elses.
If you don't like the rules don't join the tournament. Its really not that complicated.
As far as the freestyle complaints go. if you play last, its not freestyle for you. And you still only have to take 1 turn ever 24 hours.
FFS - I'm really not trying to cause trouble (and definitely not hi-jack it!!)
1) I'm merely asking for clarification BEFORE any potential controversy - we will abide by the rules, but we just need to actually know what they are!
2) This is NOT just any old tournament - it is the first and only Official Clan Tournament - there is no way at all that we would even consider playing flat rate / unlimited / freestyle if it were not for the official status - so the idea of not joining hasn't crossed our minds. We are willing to go well outside of our comfort zone in order to compete in this excellent event.
3) You know as well as I do that if you play freestyle as if it were sequential then you may as well not bother!
Table Tennis - Malta hulmey
Fencing - Iberia merz
Wrestling - Germany igotasihed
Taekwondo - Indochina chariot of fire
Singles
Archery - Soviet union (4 player, Flat rate) 4red
Swimming - Philipines (6 player Escalating) chariot of fire
Rowing - British isles (4 player, Flat rate) Kemmler
Cycling france (6 player Escalating) igotasihed
Doubles
Tennis - Australia igotasihed & hulmey
Badminton - Scotland bob3603 & woodsy24
Canoeing - chariot of fire & 4 U 2 NV
Water Polo - Ireland merz & dragon dor
Triples
Baseball - caribbean merz & woodsy24 & kemmler
Soccer - Brazil - igotasihed & dragon dor & 4red
Basketball - Usa bob3603 & hulmey & Gozo_the_Great
Field Hockey - Canada chariot of fire & Me-Da-MiNoRiTY & bob3603
Track Events
Singles
110 meter - Greater China (6 player no cards) hulmey & csh1979
200 meter - Greater China (6 player & Escalating)Kemmler & littlebrother2k7
400 meter - Greater China (6 player & Escalating) chariot of fire & igotasihed
800 meter - Greater China (6 player & Escalating) 4red & 4 U 2 NV
1500 meter - Greater China (FREESTYLE - 6 player & Escalating) Me-Da-MiNoRiTY & Gozo_the_Grea
Marathon - Ancient Greece(FREESTYLE - 8 player & No cards) chariot of fire & bob3603
Quads
4x100 meter relay - Ancient Greece (Escalating) Gozo_the_Great
igotasihed
hulmey
bob3603
4x400 meter relay - Ancient Greece (Escalating) chariot of fire
4 U 2 NV
dragon dor
merz
Reserve ; ju87rs will be added to the rosta. Sorry I missed him off!
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team mythology humbly apologizes for the delay to you night strike, and thanks your for organizing such a wonderful tournament for CC, we shall do our best to make a good showing. we anxiously await the beginning now.
Alright, I've finally developed the actual tournament settings for most of the events. The following is how the groups will compete, be scored, and eventually determine medalists. There are 19 clans competing in the tournament.
Quads, Triples, Doubles (4 player games)
There will be 2 pools of 6 teams and 1 pool of 7 teams
Play each team within the pool once (5 or 6 games)
W-L record will be recorded
The top 2 finishers from each group as well as the next 2 overall will advance
Tiebreakers determined by record against 1st place, 2nd place, etc.
Those who advance will play in an 8 player single elimination bracket to determine medalists
Doubles (6 player games)
There will be 5 pools of 3 teams and 2 pools of 2 teams
In the pools of 2, teams will play a best of 5 series with winners advancing
In the pools of 3, teams will play 5 games with them being scored as follows:
5 for 1st place
3 for 2nd place
1 for 3rd place
+2 points to winner if they win in Round 6 or before
+1 point for last place if the team lasts 10 or more rounds (not awarded to 2nd place team)
Top team from each group and the next 2 overall advance
The 9 remaining teams will be divided into 3 groups
First team to win 2 games in each group will advance
Single final game with medals awarded by placement
ALL games in the tournament must be completed BEFORE Round 40. At Round 40, results will be recorded via BOB.
These games will be going out tonight or tomorrow with all the singles games coming in the next few days. They are staggered to get the potentially longer games underway and to help reduce game load.
Night Strike wrote:
ALL games in the tournament must be completed BEFORE Round 40. At Round 40, results will be recorded via BOB.
I presume, due to the fact that some of these games are foggy, that "via BOB" means territory count? (- will make the last few minutes of round 39 in the no cards freestyle singles a bit crazy!!)
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BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:Great - really looking forward to this!
Night Strike wrote:
ALL games in the tournament must be completed BEFORE Round 40. At Round 40, results will be recorded via BOB.
I presume, due to the fact that some of these games are foggy, that "via BOB" means territory count? (- will make the last few minutes of round 39 in the no cards freestyle singles a bit crazy!!)
(Fixed your quote for you.)
Crap, I halfway forgot about foggy. Hopefully you all will finish those before then, but if not, I may ask a couple of the players from the game to give me the stats, or just go off territory count.
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highest score: 2157 (Major) / Verd ori'shya beskar'gam
