Hostel Mafia Game Over; Scum Win

[lord voldemort]

guys im a politician...votes stolen was clives day 1 and 2 and ga7 last nite..
thats role claim. ill give more in like 9 hours when i get home from baseball

[FloresDelMal]

guys im a politician...votes stolen was clives day 1 and 2 and ga7 last nite..
thats role claim. ill give more in like 9 hours when i get home from baseball

i dont trust politicians, they have a way of bullshit their way through, and this is my first time seeing this role, i didnt knew it existed, can someone tell me which is the most common alignment of this role? ill base my vote on that.

[Fircoal]

guys im a politician...votes stolen was clives day 1 and 2 and ga7 last nite..
thats role claim. ill give more in like 9 hours when i get home from baseball

i dont trust politicians, they have a way of bullshit their way through, and this is my first time seeing this role, i didnt knew it existed, can someone tell me which is the most common alignment of this role? ill base my vote on that.

town, but he never did say more.

[Clive]

I did lose my vote.

Not on Day 1. But his claim satnds up. I thought it would have been a sucm role stealing ym vote, but perhaps not...I guess he can stay.

unvote vote Fireedud

Be active or get replaced...

[nagerous]

I had mafia politician in godfather so militant may have saw that and used that as his own idea.. thief or LoVo could be telling the truth and have the role as the natural town one .

[FloresDelMal]

thanks chu and nag for explan, sadly im still on square 1 since could be any alingment

anyway this could be a good chance for someone with investigative power check on lovo, him is most likely saying the true about the vote stealing business, but what about his alingment?

[ga7]

Hrm. I'm not caught up yet but yeah politician could go either way I think, even though it's more probable it's a town role. I'm not sure how it could fit in the setting though, I'd like to know if Lovo got a rolename.

[fireedud]

unvote

Now we wait for LoVo's name...

[Fircoal]

LV is probably telling the truth, but I'd also like a role name. I'd also like to know why Clive has jumped off of it at the first sight of a claim, and is now voting the next biggest scumariner.

[FloresDelMal]

LV is probably telling the truth, but I'd also like a role name. I'd also like to know why Clive has jumped off of it at the first sight of a claim, and is now voting the next biggest scumariner.

sometimes you get just really piss off by submariners if it was on my hand i could blacklist all of them but then, i am a bit extreme

[Fircoal]

LV is probably telling the truth, but I'd also like a role name. I'd also like to know why Clive has jumped off of it at the first sight of a claim, and is now voting the next biggest scumariner.

sometimes you get just really piss off by submariners if it was on my hand i could blacklist all of them but then, i am a bit extreme

I'm extreme on the other side, I really will give people chance after chance.

[FloresDelMal]

I'm extreme on the other side, I really will give people chance after chance.

i guess you are just kinder than me, and because i feel in an evil mood, and because i dont remember if i unvoted, unvote vote lovo til i get a role name that absolutely proves him innocent, because as i said, i dislike politicians, i dont trust them, and no matter how we look at things, stealing someones vote doesnt sound very townish.

[nagerous]

I'm pretty sure he can be trusted and is town.

[FloresDelMal]

I'm pretty sure he can be trusted and is town.

since this is my first experience with this role and obviously you know it better, ill trust you in this one babe.
Unvote

[ga7]

Alright I'm caught up, and felt like making a huge post.

Now to look at Nag's ramblings.

Right I've done most the re-reading.

Vote Fircoal for being mafia

Though saying that, our lynch today should probably be fireedud.

Ok, what's the deal with that? You give absolutely no arguments or reasons for these accusations, I'm not sure if you were trying to fish or if you actually had a clue there. First one interests me a bit more as so far Fir looked like one of the most likely trustable.

My thoughts were we should get 0ojakeo0 to spam his inbox, or get him replaced.... not lynched. I'm fed up with all these scapegoats. Rather than join up with the anti-skoff, anti-lovo alliance... I'm a freelancer this time round... I trust no-one... except for those that can be trusted.

Something strikes me as rather odd there, while talking of scapegoats I had the feeling the most likely one for today was Animorph, not Lovo... On which in fact you didn't voice any opinion.
On Fireedud:

Sure he acted scummy day one regarding the lynch of the cop, but then again he is known to be a fool. The "rationalised" views of Ga7 and Flores putting subtle weakness on the cop claim was scummy too.

So on the same line there is the first argument you put for a Fireedud lynch, and at the same time you excuse it. WTF?

Would scum not want to play though ? That is the question.

FOS IceDagger for pushing the easy lynch for the day when we can just get a replacement in.

WIFOM. Sure a Lovo replacement would be better but you perfectly know that the last times Lovo was scum he submarined. And actually played in a recent game where he was town. So coming from you, it strikes me as odd.

Pre-Emptive HFOS on anyone that hammers Lord Voldemort.

We MUST wait for a claim.

I'm pretty sure he can be trusted and is town.

The problem I see with this is it's true that politician could perfectly be a scum role. He didn't even give a role name, and somehow I don't think we'll see him post again today. On one hand, his politician claim is trustable and proven and it's normally a town role, on the other the whole thing with you trying your best to get the attention away from Lovo since you replaced, then putting emphasis on not lynching him without knowing what's up, could be that you KNEW he would come with a claim that can be easily interpreted as town.
That said, it's more of a general impression and I'm not even sure myself anymore whether or not Lovo is scum politician, but well I mention him on the previous day as a potential lynch candidate and here I am today, mildly pissed off at that abuse of power
In any case, I can definitely see a possible scumbag partnership between Nag and Lovo; not sure if it should be pursued today or not though, but since it's not in my hands for today to effectively voice my opinion I guess it's up to you guys.

Then, some of the arguments on me:

true. I think I find the ones that rationalize more scummy. Also Frenchie-chan is rationalizing the lynch of Skoffin with the fact that her claim sucked, even if he knew that she probably was a cop. Then today he starts to push the lynch of LV, a submariner, and decides to go against the lead of ani that Ice brought up and still push for the scumariner lynch. Fos: Frenchie-chan

I wasn't rationalizing then, I was giving my opinion on why I felt the wagon on Skoffin was justified and had a hard time picking suspects from it solely based on that. I won't repeat my day 2 posts about it though, but the fact it also concerned me was secundary.

>_> No I think you're getting my point wrong. Frenchie-chan knows what he did was stupid, and he's rationalizating to make it SEEM like it was townie like. He has to make it SEEM townie like because it wasn't. You get what I mean. And you don't try to rationalize some's actions, you try to figure out why they did stuff or something. Don't know the word. Rationalizating is using fake things to make it SEEM that way.

Well I don't know why we're arguing over the definition of a word. From his perspective, he wasn't going to say why he was voting at the time if what he's saying is true, as it would have blown ace's cover. While I don't nessecarily believe he's trying to act in town's best interests (in fact I think he's the scummiest here), while keeping your vote on a claimed cop for no reason would be pretty indefensible, the fact that there was a seeming counterclaim makes it less so in my opinion

I think Icedagger puts it quite sensibly (at least on the part of providing a reason to vote Skoff, not on the scummiest one ). But what makes me laugh about the whole argument is that afterwards Fir pops up with this gem:

Reasons so far:
Frenchie-chan: Disbelieved Cop Claim
Fircoal: For the Lulz
flores: Unknown
Ace: Unknown
Clive: Unknown
Fireedud: Unknown
CMC: Unknown

You admit there was no reasoning behind keeping your vote on Skoff post-claim. I guess that makes sense that from your point of view then, actually having a reason would better look scummy so that you don't get in deep shit.

for the lulz is a valid reason because it's true. It's also valid in the sense that if I was scum, I'd probably want something a lot more town like sounding. Also I believe I even said it during the day

WIFOM. Sorry but you claim you had no actual reason to keep your vote on Skoffin, and you consciously did it. How on earth is that more valid? And sure it's not like you couldn't have found a reason afterwards, there was certainly room for it, but you didn't say anything relevant after Skoffin claimed so that would have been kinda hard to swallow. Well anyway, that is the first thing I see from you that makes me tick and that list is still a pretty good idea so I don't find it so incriminating, but that "for the lulz" reason is something I find hard to swallow from a townie. FOS Fircoal & Flores
Now, on that list I was kinda satisfied with Cmc's explanations on his hammer day 2, although Ani has been laying pretty damn low. I think Clive and I were on pretty much the same wavelengh, and that mini wagon that started on him for little doesn't make me feel different; I trust him more than most here.
Then there's Fireedud. The reason he gave and his general attitude so far have been the more suspicious amongst those IMO, and things like this:

Vote Clive He's the best lead we have right now.

Makes me think he's looking for any opportunity to not get himself looked on too carefully.
Though on that same kind of behavior there's no denying that Ani has been more and more fishy as time passes.
So as summary I'd say if you want to solve the Lovo-Nag enigma today go for Lovo. Nag is a bit too big of a pill to swallow today at least, besides he just doesn't get lynched
If you want to leave the matter aside and just lynch someone looking scummy, go for Firee or Ani. IMO it might be quite random but since Lovo (partially) claimed already it could be effective to put serious pressure on one of them. Either way I think after the previous day's no lynch we really need to reach a consensus. One thing is sure though, while Lovo doesn't give a role name I won't trust him one bit.

[FloresDelMal]

WIFOM. Sorry but you claim you had no actual reason to keep your vote on Skoffin, and you consciously did it. How on earth is that more valid? And sure it's not like you couldn't have found a reason afterwards, there was certainly room for it, but you didn't say anything relevant after Skoffin claimed so that would have been kinda hard to swallow. Well anyway, that is the first thing I see from you that makes me tick and that list is still a pretty good idea so I don't find it so incriminating, but that "for the lulz" reason is something I find hard to swallow from a townie. FOS Fircoal & Flores

Well at the beggining most ppl voted randomly, in good fun, and skoffin got the shortest stick, then when she claimed was after that her, and me, for that matter thought that she had been hammered, which made me think this while i thought we were waiting for a dead scene:

i think she's scum just having fun and making us feel anxious about voting her.

then i just went off the comp and when i arrived someone else had voted her, and the whole affair was over, sure, we fucked up, but still she could have claimed her flavor, we are on a themed game ppl.

Now if you are still suspiscious of me, then you need to FOS pretty much everyone including yourself in her bandwagon

[militant]

A 3 day deadline is being imposed, if yo dont reach a lynch by 3:45 thursday, a no lynch will be forced.

Vote count when I get back

[FloresDelMal]

since our cop and a mason are dead, we are yet to find scum, i think that have a no lynch today is the worst case scenario, since scum is slowly but evidently gaining the edge of the game; maybe we should look more careful to those behaviours that were a bit suspiscious, right now im inclining for animorph since him was first accused by icedagger and then faded in the background, evading the spotlight, i have seen ani improve a little, and this time around i dont want to commit again the mistake of underestimate him, him might be as well out best lead today, so ill cross my fingers and vote ani and i hope this will get ppl posting.

[icedagger]

Ga7- you've fos'd everyone in the game except Clive now. You're just appearing more and more scummy to me- it's more instinctual and nothing I can prove though. I won't do anything till Lovo claims but I'd be very happy with a ga7 lynch today

[militant]

Vote Count

• LoVo (1) Clive
• Ice (1) Ani
• Fireedud (2) Nag, Clive
• Clive (1) Fircoal

9 alive, 5 to lynch.

2 days and about 3 hours left

[FloresDelMal]

Vote Count

• LoVo (1) Clive
• Ice (1) Ani
• Fireedud (2) Nag, Clive
• Clive (1) Fircoal

9 alive, 5 to lynch.

2 days and about 3 hours left

check the votes again babe, i know that you just forgot my ani vote, except if this time around i did got my vote stolen.

[ga7]

Ga7- you've fos'd everyone in the game except Clive now. You're just appearing more and more scummy to me- it's more instinctual and nothing I can prove though. I won't do anything till Lovo claims but I'd be very happy with a ga7 lynch today

... so the only thing you grasped from my conclusions is an incorrect statement and that I'm somehow scummy. I wonder why I bothered

[Clive]

Ga7 has looked very pro-town to me.

I do not see ani as a feasible, and I don't like FDM and Ic'es recent acting.

I want FD for this deadline lynch.

People to to place votes.

[Fircoal]

It's all part of the "hurry-up-and-lynch-somebody" mentality with which too many people play this game. These games are conducted with all the logic and consideration of the Salem witch trials.

not always, Actually I just wanted to lynch Skoffin for the lolz.

Well, then, you're an asshole for making a mockery of Millitant's game. Why does he deserve to have his game be the one where people don't try to win?

are you accusing me of not trying to win? O_O No, I am trying to win. I pretty much always would try to win. no game is different from the other. See Dito, you don't know the full past. Part of the reason I've wanted to get some people lynched day 1 for no reason, relies there. Being well known and liked here can lead to it. It's happened quite a bit to me, part of the reason why I want it to happen to others now.

Edit: Also with that being said, part of how Mafia is played now, or at least how I play it know is influenced by that, while I may accidentally scumarine (cause I'm lazy) it doesn't mean that I don't want to try. And with all the day 1 lynches now, it's basically lynch a friend, or that's how I see it. I don't mean to mock any game. Actually it's not just Mili's is more what this edit is for. While you're looking, maybe you'll see I've been happy to lynch someone for quite a lot of games for those little reasons. Say what you will but that's how the bricks fell.

lynching someone just for the laughs, despite a cop claim (which admittedly makes it funnier) is hardly trying to win the game.

Frenchie-chan, look at this quote. I stated it was for the lulz pretty much after the lynch. Also you should know me well enough, that I wouldn't get into fights over things I don't believe or not care about. While I defend some things I like quite often. If I hadn't voted Skoff for the lulz, then why would I feel the need to argue with Dito about it after? If it was an excuse I wouldn't have minded because it wasn't my true reasoning. But because it was, I felt a bit insulted

[Fircoal]

Ok as I see it, possible scum groups: LV/ Nag, Clive/Frenchie-chan With about 3 scum in this game I think we should lynch one of them today and one of the others tomarrow.