The Jesus Freaks

[Backglass]

Everyone has faith. You, backglass, have faith in the world, and science.

You sound like Jay. I have no "faith" in Science as Science does not require faith. I believe in people though...if thats what you mean. People can be (and are) good without religions.

The Bible is straightfoward.

Of course it is. Thats why it has be re-written/translated/altered and thousands of wildly different religions based on it. Because it is so clear and straightforward.

It requires one assumption- that there is a God.

Agreed. You know what they say about assuming.

Science requires many assumptions, with hypotheses based on hypotheses that assume that this or that hypothesis is correct... Which is simpler? Which one requires the least assumptions? You tell me.

I see. So because Science of any kind requires that things actually be proven, which does take time & effort, it is somehow wrong? And because all you have to do is close your eyes, click your heels and pray (which IS much simpler I will agree) the belief in gods, angels, demons, fairys and trolls is right?

Makes perfect sense to me.

[happysadfun]

Science requires things to be proven? Half, if not more, of the "science" junk preached in schools today is a bunch of unproven bunkarino! Even "scientists" say that we can never be exactly sure with this thing we call "science" today. You aren't putting up a very solid argument.

[Backglass]

Half, if not more, of the "science" junk preached in schools today is a bunch of unproven bunkarino!

Exactly what things being taught today in Science classes are "bunkarino"? Be specific now! No general BS!

Half is a LOT of stuff! Just saying "evolution" is a tiny percentage of Science in general.

Even "scientists" say that we can never be exactly sure with this thing we call "science" today.

Quotes please! Who said this?

Even "christians" say that the bible is not to be taken literally.

See how that works?

You aren't putting up a very solid argument.

And I say your backed into a corner.

[morph]

i like you backglass....

[jay_a2j]

i like you backglass....

What is that old saying? "Birds of a feather...."?

[Backglass]

i like you backglass....

What is that old saying? "Birds of a feather...."?

You mean like a clan called "The Jesus Freaks"?

Or a "Congregation"?

[JimG]

Science requires things to be proven? Half, if not more, of the "science" junk preached in schools today is a bunch of unproven bunkarino! Even "scientists" say that we can never be exactly sure with this thing we call "science" today. You aren't putting up a very solid argument.

wow......that was the stupidest thing i've heard...I think it can be proven that majority of experiments and science taught at school is almost exactly sure, and if it isnt they state it in the science books! I mean i think it is proven that chlorine and sodium together make sodium chloride, the stuff you use to sprinkle on your fries.

The difference between science and creationism, is that science is based on facts, while creationism is based on some book made by some biased old guys back in the day!

I think his arguements are very believable!

[Backglass]

wow......that was the stupidest thing i've heard...I think it can be proven that majority of experiments and science taught at school is almost exactly sure, and if it isnt they state it in the science books! I mean i think it is proven that chlorine and sodium together make sodium chloride, the stuff you use to sprinkle on your fries.

The difference between science and creationism, is that science is based on facts, while creationism is based on some book made by some biased old guys back in the day!

I think his arguements are very believable!

Thanks Jim...but you have to remember that we are dealing with people in a self-perpetuating state of denial. They believe in fairy tales & magic, know the stories are true and know they are right...even when presented with valid arguments to the contrary.

In their minds, anything that challenges that is wrong & deeply evil.

[jay_a2j]

wow......that was the stupidest thing i've heard...

Oh yeah? Take a look at this....

I think it can be proven that majority of experiments and science taught at school is almost exactly sure, and if it isnt they state it in the science books! I mean i think it is proven that chlorine and sodium together make sodium chloride, the stuff you use to sprinkle on your fries.

The difference between science and creationism, is that science is based on facts, while creationism is based on some book made by some biased old guys back in the day!

Now that is pretty stupid. Who was talking about table salt anyways?

Science is NOT "based on facts". Science tries to establish facts via trial and error, experimentation, theories and hypothesis' and so on. "Educated guesses" if you will. Speaking of bias, your last sentence was full of it. You obviously don't know much about that "book".

[Backglass]

Science is NOT "based on facts". Science tries to establish facts via trial and error, experimentation, theories and hypothesis' and so on. "Educated guesses" if you will.

And there you have it gang.

Science is just an educated guess and gods/demons/angels/fairys/leprechauns are an undeniable fact.

Other "educated guesses":

Electricity
Vaccines, Penecillin, Tylenol and X-rays
Round Earth
The Microprocessor
Air Travel
Television
Internal Combustion Engine
Plastics
Space Travel
Periodic Table of Elements
Tides & Planetary Orbits
Submarines
and even the Nuclear Bomb.

How lucky these scientists were with their guesswork!

[reverend_kyle]

wow......that was the stupidest thing i've heard...

Oh yeah? Take a look at this....

I think it can be proven that majority of experiments and science taught at school is almost exactly sure, and if it isnt they state it in the science books! I mean i think it is proven that chlorine and sodium together make sodium chloride, the stuff you use to sprinkle on your fries.

The difference between science and creationism, is that science is based on facts, while creationism is based on some book made by some biased old guys back in the day!

Now that is pretty stupid. Who was talking about table salt anyways?

Science is NOT "based on facts". Science tries to establish facts via trial and error, experimentation, theories and hypothesis' and so on. "Educated guesses" if you will. Speaking of bias, your last sentence was full of it. You obviously don't know much about that "book".

Well happysadfun said HALF of SCIENCE is crap. You take half of everything you are taught... we know that gravity makes people fall. gravity accelerates at 10m/s. all of that is true like backglass had just said.

[Caleb the Cruel]

Other "educated guesses":

Electricity
Vaccines, Penecillin, Tylenol and X-rays
Round Earth
The Microprocessor
Air Travel
Television
Internal Combustion Engine
Plastics
Space Travel
Periodic Table of Elements
Tides & Planetary Orbits
Submarines
and even the Nuclear Bomb.

Funny that you forgot...

The "Unsinkable" Titanic
The "Safe" Hindenburg
"Inherently Safe" Nuclear Reactors at Chernobyl
Mercury Cavity Fillings
New Orleans Levee System Adequate For Any Hurricane
Evolution
Abortion "Not Felt" By Fetis
...

[stinkycheese]

Funny that you forgot...

The "Unsinkable" Titanic
The "Safe" Hindenburg
"Inherently Safe" Nuclear Reactors at Chernobyl
Mercury Cavity Fillings
New Orleans Levee System Adequate For Any Hurricane
Evolution
Abortion "Not Felt" By Fetis
...

I'll take a stab at this, though I'm not researching any of this...

The "Unsinkable" Titanic
Engineers aren't scientists
The "Safe" Hindenburg
Same as above
"Inherently Safe" Nuclear Reactors at Chernobyl
can't say I know much about Chernobyl so I'll pass
Mercury Cavity Fillings
never heard of em so I wont comment on this one
New Orleans Levee System Adequate For Any Hurricane
scientists said the levees were adequate...cite this please
Evolution
I'm not sure I quite understand this one...evolution is in fact a scientific theory...
Abortion "Not Felt" By Fetis
is there any evidence to show that a fetus does feel an abortion?

[Mirak]

Other "educated guesses":

Electricity
Vaccines, Penecillin, Tylenol and X-rays
Round Earth
The Microprocessor
Air Travel
Television
Internal Combustion Engine
Plastics
Space Travel
Periodic Table of Elements
Tides & Planetary Orbits
Submarines
and even the Nuclear Bomb.

Funny that you forgot...

The "Unsinkable" Titanic
The "Safe" Hindenburg
"Inherently Safe" Nuclear Reactors at Chernobyl
Mercury Cavity Fillings
New Orleans Levee System Adequate For Any Hurricane
Evolution
Abortion "Not Felt" By Fetis
...

Are you actually trying to say that because an iceberg sank the Titanic that prooves that science is invalid

Are you not capable of seeing how totally flawed your line of "reasoning" is?

[reverend_kyle]

Funny that you forgot...

The "Unsinkable" Titanic
The "Safe" Hindenburg
"Inherently Safe" Nuclear Reactors at Chernobyl
Mercury Cavity Fillings
New Orleans Levee System Adequate For Any Hurricane
Evolution
Abortion "Not Felt" By Fetis
...

I'll take a stab at this, though I'm not researching any of this...

The "Unsinkable" Titanic
Engineers aren't scientists
The "Safe" Hindenburg
Same as above
"Inherently Safe" Nuclear Reactors at Chernobyl
can't say I know much about Chernobyl so I'll pass
Mercury Cavity Fillings
never heard of em so I wont comment on this one
New Orleans Levee System Adequate For Any Hurricane
scientists said the levees were adequate...cite this please
Evolution
I'm not sure I quite understand this one...evolution is in fact a scientific theory...
Abortion "Not Felt" By Fetis
is there any evidence to show that a fetus does feel an abortion?

Cherynoble was a nuclear reactor made in russia.. made by engineers.



and theory means it is a theory based on fact..

The argument about science is its based on more fact than religion is.. because there is more fact saying that evolution is true than creationism.

[jay_a2j]

So many people misusing the word "theory" I had to go look it up so I could enlighten the Neandrethals.




the·o·ry /ˈθiəri, ˈθɪəri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ries.
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6. contemplation or speculation.
7. guess or conjecture.






These were taken from dictionary.com

Notice that the word fact does not show up in ANY of the definitions (except to establish "in contrast")

[Backglass]

I gotta tell ya, I am just STUNNED at the guessing ability of the worlds scientists! Why ARE these guys scientists anyway? Why arent they playing the Lotto or Roulette for a living?!

Yeah. Science is nothing but a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Just look around you. You cant see anything science had a hand in. That computer your using...just a guess! The telephone....we have NO idea how it workls! Alexander Bell just guessed, and to this day we dont know how a voice gets from one end to the other! It must be a MIRACLE!!!



And as for missusing "theory"...


Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories

Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean.

Three such terms that are often used interchangeably are "scientific law," "hypothesis," and "theory."

In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:

Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.

An analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.

A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.

An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.

A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced."

[jay_a2j]

Well, I see I used a DICTIONARY and you used...um, err I don't know where you got that blue post. I can make things up myself too.....


misguided atheist.... see backglass.

[Backglass]

Well, I see I used a DICTIONARY and you used...um, err I don't know where you got that blue post. I can make things up myself too.

Funny you should ask. (actually VERY funny). I found that text via google. After seeing your post I decided to go back and see who/where it came from.

It came from Wilstar.com which turns out, among other things is a Christian Bible Study site.

THIS is the original page.

Not going to doubt your own cult-brothers are you?

And as for dictionary.com...#3 & #4 seem to fit just fine.

And as long as we are demanding sources, there hve been at least five such demands from your past zealotous posts which you have gleefully ignored. Feel free to post your sources at any time to backup your claims.

Brainwashed Cultist - See "Jay-Addicted-2-Jesus"

[jay_a2j]

Well, I see I used a DICTIONARY and you used...um, err I don't know where you got that blue post. I can make things up myself too.

Funny you should ask. (actually VERY funny). I found that text via google. After seeing your post I decided to go back and see who/where it came from.

It came from Wilstar.com which turns out, among other things is a Christian Bible Study site.

THIS is the original page.

Not going to doubt your own cult-brothers are you?

And as for dictionary.com...#3 & #4 seem to fit just fine.

Hmmmmm, maybe you should have looked a little closer at that site. It may appear to be a "christian" site but the guy basically denounces creationism and embraces evolution. He even stated that evolution does not go against his religious beliefs. (He must have some wacked out religion cause it sure ain't christianity.) Genesis says, God created Adam from the dust of the earth and Eve from Adams rib. So yeah, evolution does contradict the Bible. Nice try though backglass.

[Caleb the Cruel]

There are several different versions of the evolutionary thought. One of them I remember is that we all came from tiny sea specks and after several millions or billions or trillions of years of evolving, we became apes, then apes all of the sudden evolved into man.
But it doesn't even explain where the sea specks came from.

[mightyal]

So many people misusing the word "theory" I had to go look it up so I could enlighten the Neandrethals.




the·o·ry /ˈθiəri, ˈθɪəri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ries.
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6. contemplation or speculation.
7. guess or conjecture.






These were taken from dictionary.com

Notice that the word fact does not show up in ANY of the definitions (except to establish "in contrast")

Unless your moment of epiphany involved being hit round the head repeatedly with a frying pan, you understand perfectly well that your post is deliberately misleading and dishonest.
I like that you didn't bother to include the last part from dictionary.com

Theory, hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion. A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity. A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis.

In short, you are a well established serial liar. I thought it was Satan's work to deceieve people but I guess all extremeists are the same.

[Caleb the Cruel]

so does anybody else want to join the jesus freaks?
if so, pm me and i'll send you the location of our forums, where you can help set-up the new clan