Logic dictates that there is a God!

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:33 am

jay_a2j wrote:It doesn't say you will be "smote". If you must quote the Bible in an attempt to disprove it at least be accurate.

Well then what does it say Mr. Bible Man?

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:34 am

the only think i really want to say is that that pole was so biased agaisn't people who don't believe

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:35 am

s.xkitten wrote:the only think i really want to say is that that pole was so biased agaisn't people who don't believe

Well, what do you expect? Jay put it together...

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:36 am

i know, but still

Skittlesandmnms · Post by **Skittlesandmnms** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:39 am

s.xkitten wrote:the only think i really want to say is that that pole was so biased agaisn't people who don't believe

yeah... its fine though...

one of the few major things that ive learned, is that on the big issues, its easier to let other people be wrong than it is to try and make them change thier minds

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:44 am

Jay, I have a comment to make on your avatar. Doesn't God love atheists as much as theists?

Skittlesandmnms · Post by **Skittlesandmnms** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:45 am

slash1890 wrote:Jay, I have a comment to make on your avatar. Doesn't God love atheists as much as theists?

depends on which religious group you ask.

although... the avatar is a spin on my all time favorite thing to say to strict protestants

So... uh... does god believe in atheists?

some of the more tight assed ones get really frustrated

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:26 am

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:It doesn't say you will be "smote". If you must quote the Bible in an attempt to disprove it at least be accurate.
Well then what does it say Mr. Bible Man?

"Mr. Bible Man" ...lol.... wow.

Rev. 22:18

" I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from his share in the tree of life...."

What you guys are talking about is blaspheming the Word of God. Its just sin like any other. There are no verses that say "thou shall be smote if ye deny the word of God".

And slash, yes God loves all people....he created them. He even loves those who hate Him. The avatar is a play on words..."Atheists don't believe in God".

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:54 pm

jay_a2j wrote:"Mr. Bible Man" ...lol.... wow.

Rev. 22:18

" I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from his share in the tree of life...."

What you guys are talking about is blaspheming the Word of God. Its just sin like any other. There are no verses that say "thou shall be smote if ye deny the word of God".

So if they add to it they'll be plagueified?
And if they take away from it we'll have our shares in the tree of life taken away?

This is a different tree than the one that got Eve and Adam kicked out of Eden right?

Well, good for me that there's always another tree, the World Tree (Yggdrasil), to hang out in.

It isn't blasphemy if it isn't the word of god.

Aradhus · Post by **Aradhus** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:15 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:It doesn't say you will be "smote". If you must quote the Bible in an attempt to disprove it at least be accurate.
Well then what does it say Mr. Bible Man?
"Mr. Bible Man" ...lol.... wow.

Rev. 22:18

" I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from his share in the tree of life...."

What you guys are talking about is blaspheming the Word of God. Its just sin like any other. There are no verses that say "thou shall be smote if ye deny the word of God".

And slash, yes God loves all people....he created them. He even loves those who hate Him. The avatar is a play on words..."Atheists don't believe in God".

The gospels are not God's word. Since you are claiming the bible is Gods word then those scriptures should be removed. Among others. Pretty much all the new testament really. Also the Bible is the most edited and rewritten book in history. It is estimated that about 6% of it has been rewritten from its original content(6% is what we know of, I'll bet its a lot more).

Also, what you say is completely absurd. The Old testament is full of stories of god murdering people that have rejected his love. He's a bit of a loser that god of years. Can't he just come to terms with the fact that some people think he's a moron.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:40 pm

jay_a2j wrote:And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from his share in the tree of life...."

OK. The ten commandments have been re-translated and altered from the original bible texts.

For example:

5:21 "Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou cast an evil eye upon thy neighbour's house, his field, or his male slave, or his female slave, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's."

has been changed to:

Thou shalt not covet.

Seems like a pretty major "taking away" to me. But again...thats different I am sure.

Stories...in a book written by an ancient people, intended get people to behave in a certain fashion and not question. Seems to have worked.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:26 pm

It is to my understanding that the KJV (King James Version) is the most accurate translation. And you are right the 10 commandments have been changed in some translations.... so I guess whoever did that will see Rev. 22:18 fulfilled. (this would probably take place after death <earthly death>)

Skittlesandmnms · Post by **Skittlesandmnms** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:54 pm

10 plagues... 10 commandments...

god has base 10 down .... fucking retarded US standard measurements...

metric makes sense... what we use... does not. at all.

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:23 pm

hmmm....the bible is contradicts itself so much...
Exodus 20:13- thou shalt not kill
Psalm 144:1- blessed be the lord, my rock
he trains my hands for battle, my fingers for war

isn't war killing people?

note-i go to a catholic school, but i am not catholic, i am not christian...i can quote the bible because of the school, and no other reason

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:15 am

jay_a2j wrote:First off put aside any bias that you may have...weather it be religious or anti-religious.

Too late, your poll is already bias in it's form already.

jay_a2j wrote: Now science has said, Life cannot come from non-life. Which is common sense...

Largely debatable, look up Mimiwirus. We are slowly inventing new tools (like the electronic microscope) that allow us to explore the basic bulding blocks of life. These blocks are almost infinitely small, so there's is still much to explore just like the universe.

jay_a2j wrote:Then you trace back all life to its orgin...the very first living thing.

Where did it come from?

The ONLY answer is someting or someone has always existed. And that someone or something must have the power to create (or reproduce).

Because science cannot yet completely explain the origins of life it doesn't mean that the hypothesis is wrong.

Humans by nature are curious, imaginative and intelligent beings. Something that we cannot explain makes us uncomfortable, the unkown scares us. Our curiosity obligates us to find an answer for every phenomen.

Many years ago, humans could not explain lightning and thunder. Therefore many theories were created with the tools and knowledge available at the time. The most pouplar theory was that the "Gods' were angry. I know, this seems ridiculous now, but it was a perfectly valid explanation at the time since electricty and static were unknown phenomens at the time.

And just like in any century, there will always be those with closed minds who will cry out and ridicule those who come up with theories that challenge convictions. For example, it use to be common sense to think that the Earth was flat. A few scientists challenged this "fact" and some even paid with their life for even challenging the church.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:23 am

Heimdall, why?

Why why why why fucking why?

It had finally died. The beast had been slain by us. Jay finally gave up on it.

But now it lives again.

*sobs openly* The dead have risen! IT IS THE END!!!!

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:32 am

Sorry, just found it

Politics and Religion turns me on (intellectually speaking)

But i still prefer a nice pair of eyes and boobs

BTW

jay_a2j wrote:"Those who would give up some Liberty, to purchase a little Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."..... Benjamin Franklin

I love your quote Jay, here's another famous one from Ben Franklin:
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:26 am

Heimdall wrote:Sorry, just found it

Politics and Religion turns me on (intellectually speaking)

But i still prefer a nice pair of eyes and boobs

BTW
jay_a2j wrote:"Those who would give up some Liberty, to purchase a little Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."..... Benjamin Franklin
I love your quote Jay, here's another famous one from Ben Franklin:
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."

Eh, don't worry about it. Welcome to the Forums my friend.

Fitz69 · Post by **Fitz69** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:36 am

jay_a2j wrote: Now science has said, Life cannot come from non-life. Which is common sense... a rock will never reproduce since it is not living.

hmm..

Break down any living thing into it's basic atoms and you'll find that all living things consist of non living elements.

Check your "science".

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:26 am

s.xkitten wrote:hmmm....the bible is contradicts itself so much...
Exodus 20:13- thou shalt not kill
Psalm 144:1- blessed be the lord, my rock
he trains my hands for battle, my fingers for war

isn't war killing people?

I swore never to return...

but i'm reading a very good book about the birth of mysticism in cultures around the world at the moment. Yahweh - the name the Israelites gave to their god of the Old testament - was a warrior. he smote every other pussy god of every other tribe (they believed in other gods, they just refused to worship them).
But then in about 500-600BCE (i think), when the Israelites were exiled to Babylon and Jeremiah was moping about, Yahweh became a more peaceful god (presumably because he had failed to stop the Babylonians, despite being a warrior). it all depends on how he was seen at the time.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:43 am

Aah, the revival of a classic thread! And VT I haven't given up on it. Just waiting for someone to post something worth responding to. Looks like I'll have to keep waiting.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:56 am

you do that

WL_southerner · Post by **WL_southerner** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:49 am

any one can make a basic form of life just by using chemicals that you got around the home yup you got it life is just a chemical reation so if you can do that then you are a god in your own right theres no god life is just a chemical accindent
the bible was a good thing in man early days to give morals and standards its made up from ideas and storys off many cultures like the great flood its a gaelic tales just after the ice age and the flooding off the black sea and the drinking of the blood of christ is from the danes/vikings the resuection of christ comes from budda faith and the list gos on and on its time man throw away the bible we are out growing it has we learn more

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:37 am

Harry Dean Stanton for prez!

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:50 pm

WL_southerner wrote:any one can make a basic form of life just by using chemicals that you got around the home yup you got it life is just a chemical reation so if you can do that then you are a god in your own right theres no god life is just a chemical accindent
the bible was a good thing in man early days to give morals and standards its made up from ideas and storys off many cultures like the great flood its a gaelic tales just after the ice age and the flooding off the black sea and the drinking of the blood of christ is from the danes/vikings the resuection of christ comes from budda faith and the list gos on and on its time man throw away the bible we are out growing it has we learn more

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