Race and Evolution

[Juan_Bottom]

No one talks about it, ever... but I fugure that a guy named Juan could.

Since Evolution is legit; Certainly with the complexness of the human body, each race is different in more ways than just looks?

Like as in the negative way that blacks are more likely to have sickle-cell anemia?
And the way that Ethiopians/Jamacans/Kenyans can all run like a mother...
I remember reading a while back that Blacks were natural runners, with plenty of "white meat" in their bodies. And Whites were better swimmers, because of their feet.

Not to leave out Asians, Hispanics, or Indiginous peoples.

This isn't intended to be a thread about social, or cultural differences, FYI.

[Frigidus]

I remember reading a while back that Blacks were natural runners, with plenty of "white meat" in their bodies.

[Neoteny]

No one talks about it, ever... but I fugure that a guy named Juan could.

Since Evolution is legit; Certainly with the complexness of the human body, each race is different in more ways than just looks?

Like as in the negative way that blacks are more likely to have sickle-cell anemia?
And the way that Ethiopians/Jamacans/Kenyans can all run like a mother...
I remember reading a while back that Blacks were natural runners, with plenty of "white meat" in their bodies. And Whites were better swimmers, because of their feet.

Not to leave out Asians, Hispanics, or Indiginous peoples.

This isn't intended to be a thread about social, or cultural differences, FYI.

"White muscle," Juan. "White muscle." Current nomenclature favors "Fast-twitch" or "type-II" fibers.

Anyhow, despite the negative connotations associated with such a statement, I have no doubt that there are evolutionary differences between races. However, they are likely not as drastic as some sources would lead you to believe, and will likely lessen over time, rather than increase. Maybe even you, one day, Juan, could "run like a mother."

[Frigidus]

No one talks about it, ever... but I fugure that a guy named Juan could.

Since Evolution is legit; Certainly with the complexness of the human body, each race is different in more ways than just looks?

Like as in the negative way that blacks are more likely to have sickle-cell anemia?
And the way that Ethiopians/Jamacans/Kenyans can all run like a mother...
I remember reading a while back that Blacks were natural runners, with plenty of "white meat" in their bodies. And Whites were better swimmers, because of their feet.

Not to leave out Asians, Hispanics, or Indiginous peoples.

This isn't intended to be a thread about social, or cultural differences, FYI.

"White muscle," Juan. "White muscle." Current nomenclature favors "Fast-twitch" or "type-II" fibers.

Anyhow, despite the negative connotations associated with such a statement, I have no doubt that there are evolutionary differences between races. However, they are likely not as drastic as some sources would lead you to believe, and will likely lessen over time, rather than increase. Maybe even you, one day, Juan, could "run like a mother."

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

[got tonkaed]

No one talks about it, ever... but I fugure that a guy named Juan could.

Since Evolution is legit; Certainly with the complexness of the human body, each race is different in more ways than just looks?

Like as in the negative way that blacks are more likely to have sickle-cell anemia?
And the way that Ethiopians/Jamacans/Kenyans can all run like a mother...
I remember reading a while back that Blacks were natural runners, with plenty of "white meat" in their bodies. And Whites were better swimmers, because of their feet.

Not to leave out Asians, Hispanics, or Indiginous peoples.

This isn't intended to be a thread about social, or cultural differences, FYI.

"White muscle," Juan. "White muscle." Current nomenclature favors "Fast-twitch" or "type-II" fibers.

Anyhow, despite the negative connotations associated with such a statement, I have no doubt that there are evolutionary differences between races. However, they are likely not as drastic as some sources would lead you to believe, and will likely lessen over time, rather than increase. Maybe even you, one day, Juan, could "run like a mother."

Would seem to be hard to test these differences in a way that would amount to anything thats worth saying, though its quite possible such differences between peoples could exist. Hard to start much of a thread claiming to remove social or cultural distinctions when it pretty much coates any findings you could make in such studies.

[Neoteny]

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

Transhumanism threads never go the way you expect. Be careful...

Would seem to be hard to test these differences in a way that would amount to anything thats worth saying, though its quite possible such differences between peoples could exist. Hard to start much of a thread claiming to remove social or cultural distinctions when it pretty much coates any findings you could make in such studies.

It's true. I imagine the differences are so minor that studying them wouldn't offer much of a point beyond the general medical advances for sickle cell and things like that. I find that most racial "differences" seem more likely to spawn from social factors (for once) than biological. So I'll blame it all on you.

[got tonkaed]

Would seem to be hard to test these differences in a way that would amount to anything thats worth saying, though its quite possible such differences between peoples could exist. Hard to start much of a thread claiming to remove social or cultural distinctions when it pretty much coates any findings you could make in such studies.

It's true. I imagine the differences are so minor that studying them wouldn't offer much of a point beyond the general medical advances for sickle cell and things like that. I find that most racial "differences" seem more likely to spawn from social factors (for once) than biological. So I'll blame it all on you.

well then clearly all the work i put in using Juan as my multi has finally paid off. Only took a made up trip to korea, a few bazillion hours looking up rediculous conspiracy threads and making a fool of myself to do.

Soft sciences > hard sciences

We are the winnar.

[Neoteny]

Would seem to be hard to test these differences in a way that would amount to anything thats worth saying, though its quite possible such differences between peoples could exist. Hard to start much of a thread claiming to remove social or cultural distinctions when it pretty much coates any findings you could make in such studies.

It's true. I imagine the differences are so minor that studying them wouldn't offer much of a point beyond the general medical advances for sickle cell and things like that. I find that most racial "differences" seem more likely to spawn from social factors (for once) than biological. So I'll blame it all on you.

well then clearly all the work i put in using Juan as my multi has finally paid off. Only took a made up trip to korea, a few bazillion hours looking up rediculous conspiracy threads and making a fool of myself to do.

Soft sciences > hard sciences

We are the winnar.

An elegant trap for the most dangerous game. You're still not as bad-ass as us. Too many surveys.

[gdeangel]

You forgot an important one: lack of ability by Asians to metabolize alcohol. So when you're at the bar tonight, go for a serving of fortune nookie and maybe you'll have better luck... think of the potential for hybrid vigor!

[cmckinney]

Oh my God your such a racist, suggesting that the races might possibly be different. How dare you!

[pimpdave]

Anyone interested in the subject should read:

Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond

In fact, when I was looking on Amazon for a link, I saw that the book has had videos made too. So maybe you can find videos online, if reading isn't your thing.

However, the book sold very well when it was released, and should be available in any public library. At least in the USA, that is.

I looked up Diamond on wikipedia trying to find a thorough review of that famous book and found this lecture linked at the bottom of the page:

http://www.dkv.columbia.edu/video/ei/jared_diamond.html

I haven't watched it yet, but it's in support of a book he wrote after Guns, Germs and Steel entitled Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed. I also haven't yet read Collapse, but will need to go to the bookstore and pick it up.

It looks like the NYTimes Book Review never covered Guns, Germs and Steel, or else I'd post the review. I guess you could just read the wikipedia page about GGS, but you really won't understand the full scope or evidence in the book unless you read it.

I've had many conversations about the book, usually over several pints, and everyone I've talked to about it, who has read the book, agrees that it makes a lot of sense. Hell, it won the Pulitzer.

[black elk speaks]

No one talks about it, ever... but I fugure that a guy named Juan could.

Since Evolution is legit; Certainly with the complexness of the human body, each race is different in more ways than just looks?

Like as in the negative way that blacks are more likely to have sickle-cell anemia?
And the way that Ethiopians/Jamacans/Kenyans can all run like a mother...
I remember reading a while back that Blacks were natural runners, with plenty of "white meat" in their bodies. And Whites were better swimmers, because of their feet.

Not to leave out Asians, Hispanics, or Indiginous peoples.

This isn't intended to be a thread about social, or cultural differences, FYI.

"White muscle," Juan. "White muscle." Current nomenclature favors "Fast-twitch" or "type-II" fibers.

Anyhow, despite the negative connotations associated with such a statement, I have no doubt that there are evolutionary differences between races. However, they are likely not as drastic as some sources would lead you to believe, and will likely lessen over time, rather than increase. Maybe even you, one day, Juan, could "run like a mother."

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

artificial intelligence is certainly good enough now to provide him with far superior reasoning capacity.

[jay_a2j]

Since Evolution is legit

Not quite but whatever.

[demon7896]

let's terminate that conversation, and move on.

[Iliad]

Since Evolution is legit

Not quite but whatever.

jay in a topic which has evolution in its name? Didn't expect that!

[Juan_Bottom]

I am not specifically talking about little differences... I'm taking about race related abilities... or lack thereof. Or anything medical....
Now blacks in America are 50% more likely to suffer from heart attack or stroke than a white. Is this genetic though? No! It's poverty related. But is it genetic that the NBA's greatest players are all black? Is that good genetics?

There probably are some larger differences between the races that we just don't realize. Otherwise our government would have abandoned race-specific viruses a long time ago....

[pimpdave]

I am not specifically talking about little differences... I'm taking about race related abilities... or lack thereof. Or anything medical....
Now blacks in America are 50% more likely to suffer from heart attack or stroke than a white. Is this genetic though? No! It's poverty related. But is it genetic that the NBA's greatest players are all black? Is that good genetics?

There probably are some larger differences between the races that we just don't realize. Otherwise our government would have abandoned race-specific viruses a long time ago....

Okay, that last line has just enough crazy injected into it to make me think twice about posting, but also knowing that it's a joke about conspiracy theories, I'll still try to approach this seriously.

So, seriously, check out Guns, Germs and Steel. The primary reason it gives for why the "races" evolved differently lies in geography. It also outlines why Western Civ rose faster and became the hegemony it is today. It really is an awful lot less about genetic differences at the root, and much more about how the environment affected human development.

Of course, there's more to it than just that, but geography affects so many details (as the book will tell you) necessary to the rise of a hegemonic society that it ends up demonstrating just how little genetic difference there is between the "races".

[mpjh]

Juan, how are you defining race, by DNA haplogroup? Should the mitochondrial dominate the Y-test? What about the people like Tiger Woods that are a wild mixture? In fact, maybe Tiger is an example that a mixture is superior to all in physical attributes, beautiful, smart, and rich.

[bedub1]

Did black people become black because they live in Africa where the sun is more direct so their bodies are more protected against burning?

I heard that blacks are great at basketball cause they play in the city from childhood....they are bad at hockey because they never play it.....so it's not a difference in "ability" but a difference in training and experience.

I also heard that the "whites" that are "north" had to suffer the cold...and had to thus settle down, build houses, learn to farm etc....where as if you live in someplace warmer, you don't have to worry about stuff like that.....so the elements didn't push the people to settle down and build houses...they continued to roam around and follow the animals/herds etc. I don't know if any of this is true...just shit I heard. Somebody please find real science references and correct my ignorance.

[jiminski]

Since Evolution is legit

Not quite but whatever.

if evolution is not true.. then why did God create something so bloody fallible?

what is the appendix for?...to test our faith in creation!?

[Juan_Bottom]

Okay, that last line has just enough crazy injected into it to make me think twice about posting, but also knowing that it's a joke about conspiracy theories, I'll still try to approach this seriously.

I was listening to Alex Jones this morning and he was talking about it. That's why it came to mind. Specifically he was talking about Bushes new Law that requires blood to be drawn from every newborn to be put on file.

Juan, how are you defining race, by DNA haplogroup? Should the mitochondrial dominate the Y-test? What about the people like Tiger Woods that are a wild mixture? In fact, maybe Tiger is an example that a mixture is superior to all in physical attributes, beautiful, smart, and rich.

Well, it's your DNA/Genetics that make us who we are... so mostly that.

I heard that blacks are great at basketball cause they play in the city from childhood....they are bad at hockey because they never play it.....so it's not a difference in "ability" but a difference in training and experience.

I'm speaking of natural ability through Genetics. In the way that Phelps is a great swimmer in part because of genetics.

It seems that Blacks as a group are actually better built genetically to play Basketball, or endurance run. Ethiopia especially (white Muscle).

Also, I like calling it white meat..... you do when you're eating turkey....

I also heard that the "whites" that are "north" had to suffer the cold...and had to thus settle down, build houses, learn to farm etc....where as if you live in someplace warmer, you don't have to worry about stuff like that.....so the elements didn't push the people to settle down and build houses...they continued to roam around and follow the animals/herds etc. I don't know if any of this is true...just shit I heard. Somebody please find real science references and correct my ignorance.

If this is true, it would lend creedance to the idea that Blacks would be better at endurance sports.

Transhumanism threads never go the way you expect. Be careful...

It was better!

well then clearly all the work i put in using Juan as my multi has finally paid off. Only took a made up trip to korea, a few bazillion hours looking up rediculous conspiracy threads and making a fool of myself to do.

Soft sciences > hard sciences

We are the winnar.

Ok... who are you and what are you talking about? 9-11 was the only conspiracy threade I ever took part in...

artificial intelligence is certainly good enough now to provide him with far superior reasoning capacity.

Stop following me around, noob. Your reasoning is lacking in that you would come to a site and follow around someone who's already established themself. Don't make me Pinja strike you in the back of the head.

Not quite but whatever.

Then this thread isn't for you.

And PIMPDAVE, I'll see if I can get the book at my local library.

[black elk speaks]

artificial intelligence is certainly good enough now to provide him with far superior reasoning capacity.

Stop following me around, noob. Your reasoning is lacking in that you would come to a site and follow around someone who's already established themself. Don't make me Pinja strike you in the back of the head.

sure, i should simply leave because you don't like the fact that i think you're a moron.

you do know that you are following me around, right? remember the "why clans" thread?

I can't believe I missed this thread. Honestly, Black Elk Speaks is like, my new favorite poster. Is he never not funny?

yeah, i can't say the same about you. you are never not annoying and stupid.

look, i can't help my self. you say stupid and half cocked things and i just have to correct. you read one article (1) and base your opinion on it, without even the possibility of conceding a single point. you never allow your self the chance to learn from your opponents, which is prolly why you will never achieve a rank much higher than corporal 1st.

plus you don't know how to make sense. just listen to this ignoratio elenchi:

Your reasoning is lacking in that you would come to a site and follow around someone who's already established themself.

do you even understand how senseless that statement is? your point has no relation to your accusation. what does my reasoning skill have at all to do with my seeking you out (which is a fallacy itself) thereby impairing my ability to reason. this is what they call a non sequitur... irrelevance i tell you! all of your arguments (at least those that i have seen) are simply abusive, irrelevant or ad hominem.

[mpjh]

Juan, how are you defining race, by DNA haplogroup? Should the mitochondrial dominate the Y-test? What about the people like Tiger Woods that are a wild mixture? In fact, maybe Tiger is an example that a mixture is superior to all in physical attributes, beautiful, smart, and rich.

Well, it's your DNA/Genetics that make us who we are... so mostly that.

OK, there are several significantly different haplogroups in Asia, Europe and Africa; all of which descended directly from an African origin. What haplogroup are you calling "black?"

[got tonkaed]

lets be serious juan, i think i have a bit more cred on this board than you do.

[Juan_Bottom]

lets be serious juan, i think i have a bit more cred on this board than you do.

I'm not sayin' you don't. I was saying I don't know what you mean(don't really know you either...so..-->). Where/are you calling me a conspiracist or something?

look, i can't help my self.

Nor can you handle compliments appearantly.

OK, there are several significantly different haplogroups in Asia, Europe and Africa; all of which descended directly from an African origin. What haplogroup are you calling "black?"

Direct decendants of African origin. Location non-relevant.