people frown on 'double' turns?

[Kiron]

I tend to like to play freestyle 8 players. 8 players because i like to have high potential wins and freestyle because I don't have the patience to wait 24 for every player to take a turn. However with freestyle, a lot of people tend to frown on the ability to take a double turn where you grab a continent on your turn (making sure u go last) with no defences and just wait for someone to log and cashing in big.

Another tactic is most frowned is lagging on purpose knowing that a noob will deadbeat after missing 1-2 turns already and purposely going 2 minutes before the 24 hour mark is up to get a double turn.

Why is this unfair? Anyone can use this strategy? it's all about positioning in risk and when you take a double turn, you went first so there are repricussions when the double is not that useful cause u know face the possibility of someone else taking 2 turns before you do later.

[Kemmler]

taking a double turn in 1v1 is unfair imo, but in 8 player it doesnt mean that much and is strategy

[jiminski]

petty-minded tactics

[Thezzaruz]

IMO doing a double turn by waiting for the clock to run out is BS (and should be stopped), but doing it by waiting for an opponent to start the next round is completely fair.

[jiminski]

IMO doing a double turn by waiting for the clock to run out is BS (and should be stopped), but doing it by waiting for an opponent to start the next round is completely fair.

I do not play freestyle for all that is outlined above .. but taking a continent last and then starting before it can be broken seems to be sensible....

Freestyle makes new-player abuse much easy and it is the tool of the point manipulators, whose skill often does not match their rank.

[oVo]

It's FREESTYLE ffs... if you don't appreciate it's quirks?
Don't join freestyle games and stick to sequencial.

[BadMoonRising]

I have stayed away because it seems less about strategy and more about gaming the mechanics and fast twitch reflexes. Combine that with map clicking, or whatever the hell its called and new players without a clue are fodder.

I like to sit, think, plan and hope the dice are kind without worrying about weather Im mouse clicking fast enough.
Hey to each their own though its just not my style.

[jiminski]

It's FREESTYLE ffs... if you don't appreciate it's quirks?
Don't join freestyle games and stick to sequencial.

are you talking to me?

[KoE_Sirius]

If a player is prepared to wait for someone to log in for hours .This tactic is well earned and deserved .I just couldn't do it ,because RL would get in the way .Eating and sleeping are a big issue for me .

[The Neon Peon]

Yeah, I used to like freestyle for all games and never played sequential, but then I starting running into these problems of people complaining about me not deploying as soon as I begin turn, and many of them started to leave a lot, and then there are people that just do not like to take their turn at the same time you do for some reason, so now I play sequential, which goes faster since people do not wait for someone to cash in a set before they turn in theirs, or not start their turn for one reason or another. I still play freestyle on 7 ad 8 player games, which take forever when sequential. So yeah, if you do not like the stuff switch, not like it costs you anything.

[FabledIntegral]

Casual freestyle has much more to do with timing than sequential freestyle. Thus why not optimize your timing? If you know you will get better results from moving at time A rather than time B, are you still going to move at time B?

Wouldn't abusing ANY time feature become abuse? When does it then become "fair" to take your turn in freestyle? ASAP?

So if taking your turn after SOME people move will give you a mediocre advantage, but not as much of an advantage as going last, isn't it STILL abuse because it gives you an advantage over those who went before you? Etc. etc.

If freestyle is about timing, there is really no "abuse" on when you take your turn. Of course you'll want to optimize your timings...

[comic boy]

It's FREESTYLE ffs... if you don't appreciate it's quirks?
Don't join freestyle games and stick to sequencial.

But as Jim pointed out these tricks are mainly used to catch out newbies, just another example of point farming for those not talented enough to gain points in a fairer manner.
I remember joining a freestyle game in error as a newbie and getting taken apart, if it were not from previous knowledge of the board game ( and consequently the realisation that this was not the only style of play ) I would probably have quit on the spot. Nearly all noob bashing occurs in freestyle and Im certain that it costs the site a great deal in terms of potential members who walk away in confusion.

[jiminski]

It's FREESTYLE ffs... if you don't appreciate it's quirks?
Don't join freestyle games and stick to sequencial.

Freestyle is and always has been the refuge of petty-minded point-burglars. I do not play Freestyle because of the greater prevalence a cheap tactics and Noob abuse in this discipline.
I do happily concede that it is a skill, but it definitely gives greater certainty of point reward compared to any other game-type.

Now since the launching of the Speed-game it has evened things up a little and turned the art into a far more honourable niche, in my eyes at least. In Speed Free, everyone sits down at the same time and has the same options as each other; it is who thinks fastest and acts using all of the tools at their disposal who generally wins.

In Casual Freestyle it is the genius who sits for 24 hours pressing refresh who mostly wins... you want my respect for that? some kind of gold star for diligence? No.. i don't think so, i have already given them all out to Noob whisperers ; )

Now if you are saying "get real jim! this is the game; it allows for it, so nurr!" I agree, but i have my opinion, i opt out of casual freestyle, fair enough! but it does not hold the same gravitas or merit! And as Comic says above, it is often a place to stitch up New players.

From personal experience, when i was a new player, i very nearly left this site for good, on the back of a Freestyle game and STOOKER running down the clock. His 'partner' snatched North America and left me no time to play and break-it. The game was already won by my double-team and his cheap tactic stole it for him.

Part of the game? pfft he lied about it; said his girlfriend was late home from work and could not play until the last moment... then feigned ignorance that this could be construed as unfair. Not the words of a clean conscience.

Anyway STOOKER and his 'girlfriend' TOOMA were proved to be one and the same ... Mrs Palmer gives comfort to the redtube generation once more.

So just to keep this all nice, reasoned and without blanket, prejudiced statements.. which could unduly inflame this thread : All Casual Freestyle players are Cheap, graceless, goofy-toothed Multi's; whose girlfriends are also their right hands.. which move in a blur from click to.... click to.. hmmm i'll add something suitable later.

[barterer2002]

We all play CC for different reasons. Some enjoy a good game. Others enjoy getting a high rank. Still others like all the different maps and play options. If someone finds that their rank is so important that they need to noob farm to get points then so be it. I could care less. Points are somewhat of an indication of skill levels but not the be all and end all. Many of the highly ranked players are one dimensial and that's fine. They're playing what they enjoy and for the most part are doing it well. It matters not if they play entirely on the classic map, whether they play freestyle or whether they play those silly 8 player doodle assassin games. As long as they're having fun and aren't breaking rules I've got no issues with them

[jiminski]

We all play CC for different reasons. Some enjoy a good game. Others enjoy getting a high rank. Still others like all the different maps and play options. If someone finds that their rank is so important that they need to noob farm to get points then so be it. I could care less. Points are somewhat of an indication of skill levels but not the be all and end all. Many of the highly ranked players are one dimensial and that's fine. They're playing what they enjoy and for the most part are doing it well. It matters not if they play entirely on the classic map, whether they play freestyle or whether they play those silly 8 player doodle assassin games. As long as they're having fun and aren't breaking rules I've got no issues with them

yeap fair enough, and i agree

... but look at the original post! It has set up a thread to garner respect for a tactic many hold none for. Don't rattle my cage and Freestyle can blissfully coexist.. we all know the realty of the points achieved in this way which sets up a two-tiered scoreboard to those who understand the nuance of the system.

But try to justify what many see as cheap tactics and i may mention them...that is my right as much as it is theirs to employ cheap but legal strategy... simple really.

[reggie_mac]

Anyway STOOKER and his 'girlfriend' TOOMA were proved to be one and the same ... Mrs Palmer gives comfort to the redtube generation once more.

So What your saying is that you got beating by a multi rather than done by the freestyle game type? I have one question though, Do you play a game to win or to participate? Because if it was just to participate there wouldn't be an issue. Remember that its a 'War' game, the idea of war is to eliminate you enemy by any .. ANY .. means possible.

Personally i think you should get your points back for being done by a multi. But if it wasn't a multi then it would have just been a team changing their tactics to benefit the freestyle game type. I've seen alot of freestyle teams games where one team member will wait until an opportune moment to take their turn, it doesn't always work, but sometimes it does. If you had won, would you complain?