Proto-existential themes in the work of the early Romantics

[b.k. barunt]

Somebody's trying to get CC to write their paper for them....

You insult me. If I had a paper to write on this, do you really think I would come demand ideas from the gormless proletarians of this stagnant den of ignorance?
Bah! I try to be philanthropic, I try to raise the intellectual level of conversation in this forum, bring the 'light of the flaming torch of knowledge to the darkness of the masses', and I am spurned.

* * farts loudly * *

[Bertros Bertros]

I am sadly ignorant of any proto-existential themes in the work of the early Romantics. I am taking a class on existentialism this term however, perhaps I can join this soon-to-be discussion in a month or two.


PS. Do Dostoevsky and Nietzsche count as early Romantics?

I'd say they're early existentialists, I'm thinking more along the lines of Goethe and Wordsworth, around the time of the Enlightenment. Still, I see strictly no reason not to broaden the discussion. I doubt the mods are going to ping you for thread jacking if you discuss them. In fact, to discuss proto-existentialism, one must make reference to existentialism proper, so a little on Nietzsche and Dostoevsky would certainly not be amiss. What Dosty have you read? I recently finished reading the Brothers, but I haven't read anything more than extracts from C&P.

I read Crime and Punishment. Awesome book, very absorbing and full with clever observations of the human condition but why for the love of [insert your favoured deity here] does anyone feel the need to discuss proto-existentialism. To misquote Adams, isn't it enough that the book is good without having to criticise it with pseudo-intellectualism?

[Grooveman2007]

Somebody's trying to get CC to write their paper for them....

You insult me. If I had a paper to write on this, do you really think I would come demand ideas from the gormless proletarians of this stagnant den of ignorance?
Bah! I try to be philanthropic, I try to raise the intellectual level of conversation in this forum, bring the 'light of the flaming torch of knowledge to the darkness of the masses', and I am spurned.

Ah yes, the allegory of the cave. At least you've yet to be dismembered.

[amidoinitrite?]

we did the romantics as part of our a2 level work. unfortunately for you, i'm keeping all my notes and essays to myself.

[Napoleon Ier]

Somebody's trying to get CC to write their paper for them....

You insult me. If I had a paper to write on this, do you really think I would come demand ideas from the gormless proletarians of this stagnant den of ignorance?
Bah! I try to be philanthropic, I try to raise the intellectual level of conversation in this forum, bring the 'light of the flaming torch of knowledge to the darkness of the masses', and I am spurned.

Ah yes, the allegory of the cave. At least you've yet to be dismembered.

The line is from Hugo, and Platonic realism is anathema to existential and Romantic thinking.

[Napoleon Ier]

I am sadly ignorant of any proto-existential themes in the work of the early Romantics. I am taking a class on existentialism this term however, perhaps I can join this soon-to-be discussion in a month or two.


PS. Do Dostoevsky and Nietzsche count as early Romantics?

I'd say they're early existentialists, I'm thinking more along the lines of Goethe and Wordsworth, around the time of the Enlightenment. Still, I see strictly no reason not to broaden the discussion. I doubt the mods are going to ping you for thread jacking if you discuss them. In fact, to discuss proto-existentialism, one must make reference to existentialism proper, so a little on Nietzsche and Dostoevsky would certainly not be amiss. What Dosty have you read? I recently finished reading the Brothers, but I haven't read anything more than extracts from C&P.

I read Crime and Punishment. Awesome book, very absorbing and full with clever observations of the human condition but why for the love of [insert your favoured deity here] does anyone feel the need to discuss proto-existentialism. To misquote Adams, isn't it enough that the book is good without having to criticise it with pseudo-intellectualism?

No. I demand the gratifying feeling of self-importance that comes with pretensiously attatching unnecessary prefixes to words.

[Neoteny]

Who doesn't?

[Napoleon Ier]

we did the romantics as part of our a2 level work. unfortunately for you, i'm keeping all my notes and essays to myself.

Bastard. And why do you still have your A-level notes?

[Backglass]

I demand the gratifying feeling of self-importance ...

Well at least you are being honest now.

[amidoinitrite?]

we did the romantics as part of our a2 level work. unfortunately for you, i'm keeping all my notes and essays to myself.

Bastard. And why do you still have your A-level notes?

because i only just did my a-levels

[InkL0sed]

No. I demand the gratifying feeling of self-importance that comes with pretensiously attatching unnecessary prefixes to words.

We've known this for quite some time.

[Iliad]

No. I demand the gratifying feeling of self-importance that comes with pretensiously attatching unnecessary prefixes to words.

We've known this for quite some time.

Quite the time, indeed

[heavycola]

I just shit my pants.

Ahh yes, I also missed Neoteny and his aphorisms...what was it suggs once said that incidentally so aptly describes your outburst: "Blakean in conception, Swiftian in delivery".

"I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam."

Nice to see you again, friend. Get tired of Maine?

Nah, Maine was awesome, if a little nippy when it came to the early morning swim, but sadly the start of a new academic year loomed. I did have to certify I wasn't a Nazi/planning to kidnap a US child/a polygamist to get in, but other than that, what wasn't there to like? I mean, your supermarkets sell you anything you could want for basically arse money, including a fucking sniper rifle if it takes your fancy.

How did you manage to convince them you weren't a nazi?

By early romantics i take it you are referring to Spandau Ballet and Duran Duran?

[Napoleon Ier]

How did you manage to convince them you weren't a nazi?

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Regrettably the Charlie Chaplin mustache had to go.

[Jenos Ridan]

Somebody's trying to get CC to write their paper for them....

You insult me. If I had a paper to write on this, do you really think I would come demand ideas from the gormless proletarians of this stagnant den of ignorance?
Bah! I try to be philanthropic, I try to raise the intellectual level of conversation in this forum, bring the 'light of the flaming torch of knowledge to the darkness of the masses', and I am spurned.

I might read at college level since the 6th grade (wasn't too great at the rest of public school, but it's a failing system in the US anyway), but you must be digging deep into a giant thesaurus; seriously, gormless?

[jonesthecurl]

"gormless" - in fairly common use in the UK - eg "Of course you haven't got a chance with her, you gormless twat, she just told you it'd be cold day in Mombasa before she'd go out with you".

[Snorri1234]

I have indeed heard it being uttered. But not by anyone other than the intellectual pillars that are Stephen Fry and Rowan Atkinson.

It's not that common, jones.

[mandyb]

I have indeed heard it being uttered. But not by anyone other than the intellectual pillars that are Stephen Fry and Rowan Atkinson.

It's not that common, jones.

In England it is.
Great word too - I use it a lot.

[Napoleon Ier]

"gormless" - in fairly common use in the UK - eg "Of course you haven't got a chance with her, you gormless twat, she just told you it'd be cold day in Mombasa before she'd go out with you".

Jonesy, what do you think of existentialism and it's relation to the anti-Platonic ontology of the Romantics?

[heavycola]

I have indeed heard it being uttered. But not by anyone other than the intellectual pillars that are Stephen Fry and Rowan Atkinson.

It's not that common, jones.

In England it is.
Great word too - I use it a lot.

Great word! Prince Charles wrote a book years and years ago called The Old Man of Lochnagar, in which his royal highness explains the word's origins - something to do with small green people called Gorms, and not having any of them around, or something.

[Napoleon Ier]

The most unlikely people seem to be stepping to my defence. I feel a warm sense of communion with my fellow man the likes of which I haven't experienced since last Thursday.

[jonesthecurl]

I have indeed heard it being uttered. But not by anyone other than the intellectual pillars that are Stephen Fry and Rowan Atkinson.

It's not that common, jones.

In England it is.
Great word too - I use it a lot.

Great word! Prince Charles wrote a book years and years ago called The Old Man of Lochnagar, in which his royal highness explains the word's origins - something to do with small green people called Gorms, and not having any of them around, or something.

Actualy, most people would hold that Charlie was very familiar with the meaning of "gormless". And not because he wrote some stupid story about haggises.