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And remove the graphics in the ocean, I don't like them either.
Don't bother Zeak. If your suggestion doesn't go along with what he's thinking, it is discarded.ZeakCytho wrote:For what it's worth, which is apparently not very much, I don't like the graphics in the ocean either.
I'd call you an idiot, but i'm giving you the benifit of the doubt and assuming you're just being an ass. You know thats not true, and I find it hard to believe you're dense enough to not understand what i'm trying to say.Don't bother Zeak. If your suggestion doesn't go along with what he's thinking, it is discarded.
No, I have not. As you can see from your last post, I took 3 of your 4 points seriously, and mentioned that I was following 2 of them. The 3rd I asked for more opinions. The fourth, was a repeat of something i've responded to multiple times.lanyards wrote:Well, now people are starting to speak up. So you better do something about it. All my posts in this thread have contained constructive comments, so far you've managed to blow most of them off.
Others have said they liked them. I'm wondering if you realize that you can't please everyone. If something is unanimously hated, I'll change it. If its nearing a 50/50 split, i'm going to go with what I like, not with what lanyards likes.Your mountains, I agree, look like broccoli.
Right now, I think putting up a few examples of how the mountains could look would help you get the best results. I have seen other cartographers do that.Georgerx7di wrote:lol nice
There you go. Opinions. All of them should be respected.Mr. Squirrel wrote:I don't know if it will make a difference, but I personally like the graphics in the water while I think that the mountains look horrible. Just my opinion...
When have I said I wasn't considering changing the mountains? Since I've posted them i've been letting people comment. Next time I open it, I will in fact give them another try. You're right, now that I look no one has said they liked the mountains, but that had nothing to do with my point about not being able to please everyone.lanyards wrote:Usually when there are a few people that don't like something, the mapmaker would try other things to satisfy a good majority. So far, since the broccoli update, I have only seen one comment on the mountain, which was a negative comment.
I don't believe you're really this dense. When in this thread have I not respected people's opinions? The only problem I have is when people state their own opinions as fact, and not following those opinions as a broken law. And really, the only person to have done that is you.There you go. Opinions. All of them should be respected.Mr. Squirrel wrote:I don't know if it will make a difference, but I personally like the graphics in the water while I think that the mountains look horrible. Just my opinion...
Wrong, I told lanyards to f*ck off. And for good reason. Honestly, did you read anything I said? Apparently not a word. I'll say it again, i'll try to be clearer.Bones2484 wrote:I understand this is your map, Mr K, but you've basically told half the people who have offered their thoughts to f*ck off. It might help to learn to take criticism better as that is the entire point of this section of the forums. Do you honestly want input, or are you here to basically wait for someone to tell you it looks perfect and everything you do is amazing?
That sounds pretty sharp, i'll give it a shot with my next updateAnyways... as for your question about the legend. I like the background... but is there a way to make it look like the text is "carved into" the background like it's a tablet? I think that would be cool and fit in perfect with Ancient Greece.
I love the silhouettes in the land, and the colours that you use. I especially love Asia Minor and Boreia Ellada. They are: Never let it be said that Team CC don't investigate fairly.I really didn't plan on changing the XML at all, but i'm confused about what you mean. Isn't there a currently existing sea-connection between Samos and Lydia? Am I misunderstanding?* Samos-Lydia: This is my biggest issue with this map. You have no idea how many times I thought there was a connection there and it turned out there wasn’t, and barely avoided disaster. It’s pretty clear in this revamp that they don’t connect, except that the troops will be right on the divide. Is it at all possible to move the army circle off the place where they don’t connect, so as to make it clear?
I'll give some other graphics another try but i'm pretty partial to the ones that are there. The reason I chose Minotaurs is because the story of the Minotaur takes place on the islands (Krete if I remember right). That particular depiction of the Minotaur reminds me more of a drawing that would come from the islands then from something that would come from the mainland. I don't really know the origin, but thats the feeling I get from it. (original image: http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology ... rDance.gif). Olympic Athletes are a good idea, but sticking them on the islands there doesn't make much sense to me because the Olympic Games aren't known especially for their Island origins. Of course another ship would make sense, but that idea bores me, and I much prefer getting into the mythology instead. The minotaur seems to work perfect in my opinion.* Minotaurs: I actually wouldn’t know they were minotaurs except that I read the comments. They look like dancing devils to me. I’m not opposed to minotaurs on principle, but I do like the boats better. Another thought would be Olympic athletes or spear-wielding types… I do like the energy of the silhouettes, I just have a hard time identifying them as minotaurs. Maybe, if they have to be minotaurs, make them more obviously minotaurs?
I'll try some new ones on the next update.* Mountains: Umm… well, er, these ones don’t look so very great. Maybe try making them like rotated versions of the “C” in Corinth? It might work… or if you have some other idea, try that. Just… please don’t go with these ones.
I already toned it down a notch since last time, but i'll try even more. But I really do like the pattern, it reminds me a lot of the simplistic depiction of ocean you might see on an old ancient map with sea monsters popping their heads out and so on. So I definitely want to stick with this pattern, but i'll try toning it down another notch.* Ocean: I like the ripple effect in the ocean. I think the opacity is a bit high, though. It distracts from the silhouettes on the land a little bit, and since I really like those, I’d rather it didn’t. Maybe turn down the opacity of the ripple-effect a tiny bit?
Right, as i've said I'm going to have them all be uniform upon the next update.* Territ Names: Some are larger than others. I personally would rather they were all the same size. It seems a bit odd to have, for example, the tiny little territ Lemnos with a bigger font size than the bigger territ of Troy.
I have to say that when I started reading this thread this was exactly my thought as well. My first reaction was the same as lanyards in that I wondered what dancing indians were doing in Greece.Mjinga wrote:
[*]Minotaurs: I actually wouldn’t know they were minotaurs except that I read the comments. They look like dancing devils to me. I’m not opposed to minotaurs on principle, but I do like the boats better. Another thought would be Olympic athletes or spear-wielding types… I do like the energy of the silhouettes, I just have a hard time identifying them as minotaurs. Maybe, if they have to be minotaurs, make them more obviously minotaurs?
This is what I get for writing late at night.Mr. K wrote:I really didn't plan on changing the XML at all, but i'm confused about what you mean. Isn't there a currently existing sea-connection between Samos and Lydia? Am I misunderstanding?Mjinga wrote: * Samos-Lydia: This is my biggest issue with this map. You have no idea how many times I thought there was a connection there and it turned out there wasn’t, and barely avoided disaster. It’s pretty clear in this revamp that they don’t connect, except that the troops will be right on the divide. Is it at all possible to move the army circle off the place where they don’t connect, so as to make it clear?
You're right about Samos and Lydia. I meant Lesbos and Mysia. I must have just looked at the troop dots and thought it was S-L.I like the minotaurs, and now that I see where they came from, I like them better. The only thing is, I can tell they're minotaurs in the original because I can see the line of the muzzle. It's turning back over the shoulder. In the pure silhouette that can't really be told, and hence it's difficult to tell that they're not devils with slanting heads. An easy fix would be to add a one-pixel wide white line where the muzzle is, in the silhouette. Then they'd be almost the same, but you could tell they were cow heads.Mr. K wrote:I'll give some other graphics another try but i'm pretty partial to the ones that are there. The reason I chose Minotaurs is because the story of the Minotaur takes place on the islands (Krete if I remember right). That particular depiction of the Minotaur reminds me more of a drawing that would come from the islands then from something that would come from the mainland. I don't really know the origin, but thats the feeling I get from it. (original image: http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology ... rDance.gif). Olympic Athletes are a good idea, but sticking them on the islands there doesn't make much sense to me because the Olympic Games aren't known especially for their Island origins. Of course another ship would make sense, but that idea bores me, and I much prefer getting into the mythology instead. The minotaur seems to work perfect in my opinion.Mjinga wrote: * Minotaurs: I actually wouldn’t know they were minotaurs except that I read the comments. They look like dancing devils to me. I’m not opposed to minotaurs on principle, but I do like the boats better. Another thought would be Olympic athletes or spear-wielding types… I do like the energy of the silhouettes, I just have a hard time identifying them as minotaurs. Maybe, if they have to be minotaurs, make them more obviously minotaurs?
That's why I like it too. I'm 100% behind you with the decision to stick with the pattern.Mr. K wrote:I already toned it down a notch since last time, but i'll try even more. But I really do like the pattern, it reminds me a lot of the simplistic depiction of ocean you might see on an old ancient map with sea monsters popping their heads out and so on. So I definitely want to stick with this pattern, but i'll try toning it down another notch.
Also, in regards to the ocean, I put a bit of a lightness around the land to portray a shallower sea around the landmasses, but its starting to bother me. I'm going to tone that down a bit also because it seems to go out to far and too strong. Do people agree?
Can't wait to play on the new one. Never let it be said that Team CC don't investigate fairly.
