[Abandoned] - Romania

[foregone]

sorry to be picky but while the top left corner is an improvement over what you had i'm not very convinced by the rip's authenticity. it feels more like bite marks from a rodent than a rip. to be more exact, the rip is too round.

No problem at all. New sharper rips to be put up in a few minutes.

and one tiny bit on the graphics, the text "Map Legend" should be moved a little to the left to make it visible. it's not a big problem for me since it's obvious the rest of the text is realistically hidden behind the curl but other may have problems with this so perhaps some other opinions are needed.

If others have a problem with it then I'll fix that, but I prefer it as is. Even if someone can't work out that it says map legend they can still see all the info underneath it, the title itself not being strictly necessary.

in other words with a few graphic touches i think this is ready for final forge.

Definitely hope so too. Thanks, DiM.

[foregone]

Changed top right corner rips.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6674 ... rgelp7.png

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5929 ... alloa5.png

[ZeakCytho]

Quench!

[MrBenn]

The rips and stuff look heaps better now. Well done

I'm still not convinced by the curly corners; I don't think the colour looks right, and it feels a bit gimicky - if anything I think it detracts from the rest of the map. I'd say the same thing about the little bit of splatter... is that wax or blood? If it's blood, it should be dried in and make more of a stain? If it's wax then it needs a bit more texture.

Gameplay-wise I can't see any major issues... It might be worth moving the Caras-Severin name down a bit so it doesn't clash with the Region name.

As for the legend - If you're going to keep the curl there, then I would suggest moving the 'Map Legend' title... I can see that it goes beneath the curl, but would prefer it to be visible
Could you centre the '7' on the white area of the minimap? - at the moment it's tucked away to one side of the region, and looks a bit out of place.
The 'Bucaresti' text slightly overlaps the star; it just needs a little nudge

You've done a very good job here - you can be proud of the way you have handled your map... It shouldn't be long before you're in the foundry...

[foregone]

The rips and stuff look heaps better now. Well done

Thanks.

I'm still not convinced by the curly corners; I don't think the colour looks right, and it feels a bit gimicky - if anything I think it detracts from the rest of the map. I'd say the same thing about the little bit of splatter... is that wax or blood? If it's blood, it should be dried in and make more of a stain? If it's wax then it needs a bit more texture.

I'm still feeling happy with the curls, but I'll think on taking them out. And it's blood, I'll see if I can make it darker and flatter (should make it look more like an old stain).

Gameplay-wise I can't see any major issues... It might be worth moving the Caras-Severin name down a bit so it doesn't clash with the Region name.

That's the only place it really fits without going over borders or mountains. If its not a big issue I'm gonna leave it, otherwise let me know.

As for the legend - If you're going to keep the curl there, then I would suggest moving the 'Map Legend' title... I can see that it goes beneath the curl, but would prefer it to be visible

Hmmmm, if the curls stay I'll move it.

Could you centre the '7' on the white area of the minimap? - at the moment it's tucked away to one side of the region, and looks a bit out of place.

Will give it a shot.

The 'Bucaresti' text slightly overlaps the star; it just needs a little nudge

Consider it done.

You've done a very good job here - you can be proud of the way you have handled your map... It shouldn't be long before you're in the foundry...

Thanks....but I'm already in the foundry?

[spiesr]

This map is borderline ilegible. You need to do something to make it easier to tell what is what. When I look at it it all kind of runs together...

[MrBenn]

You've done a very good job here - you can be proud of the way you have handled your map... It shouldn't be long before you're in the foundry...

Thanks....but I'm already in the foundry?

That should have said forge

[foregone]

And in this episode:

- Moved the Map Legend text left.
- Moved the 7 on the minimap to the center of the territory.
- Made the blood more stain-like.
-One or two other tiny twitches.

Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

[foregone]

You've done a very good job here - you can be proud of the way you have handled your map... It shouldn't be long before you're in the foundry...

Thanks....but I'm already in the foundry?

That should have said forge

Too much time in the Drafts

The above should have taken care of most of your concerns, though for now the curls are still there. If needs must its easy enough to get rid of, just a layer or two that disappears.

[ZeakCytho]

Is it just the font you're using, or are the numbers in the minimap different sizes?

[foregone]

This map is borderline ilegible. You need to do something to make it easier to tell what is what. When I look at it it all kind of runs together...

Please be more specific as I'm not sure to what aspect you're referring to.

[foregone]

Is it just the font you're using, or are the numbers in the minimap different sizes?

Nearly missed your post entirely, heh. They're all the same font size, might be because of the tail on the font that it seems different to you?

[ZeakCytho]

Is it just the font you're using, or are the numbers in the minimap different sizes?

Nearly missed your post entirely, heh. They're all the same font size, might be because of the tail on the font that it seems different to you?

Yeah, maybe. They look different, but if you're sure they're actually the same, then there's nothing you need to change.

[gimil]

Hi foregone,

Could we consider making the continent+terr names on the small map a little sharper and clearer like they are on the large map? I think this may qwell my concern that the small is a little to blurred for my liking.

After that I am sure we are not far from a stamp

[foregone]

Hows this, gimil?

Click image to enlarge.

[gimil]

How does this sound:

[foregone]

How does this sound:

I want to hug you right now...uhum.

[yeti_c]

Excellent work Foregone - this map is a beauty in my eyes.

C.

[gimil]

Probably the best run thread since benny and snap did new york.

[foregone]

Excellent work Foregone - this map is a beauty in my eyes.

C.

Probably the best run thread since benny and snap did new york.

Always nice getting some compliments. Thanks mucho, guys.

[DiM]

congrats on the stamps. final forge should be just around the corner.
you'd better start working on the xml

[foregone]

congrats on the stamps. final forge should be just around the corner.
you'd better start working on the xml

Thanks, DiM. Hopefully ten bells and all's well. XML is sorted as the map stands, but will probably have to do "centering" at some point.

In case anyone is interested at this stage:

http://h1.ripway.com/foregone/Romania2.xml

Code: Select all

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Romania</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>465</smallheight>
   <largewidth>800</largewidth>
   <largeheight>590</largeheight>
   <filetype>png</filetype>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Tulcea</territory>
   </position>
</positions>


<continent>
   <name>Maramureş</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Satu Mare</territory>
      <territory>Bihor</territory>
      <territory>Maramureş</territory>
      <territory>Sălaj</territory>
      <territory>Cluj</territory>
      <territory>Bistriţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Transilvania</name>
   <bonus>7</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Arad</territory>
      <territory>Timiş</territory>
      <territory>Caraş-Severin</territory>
      <territory>Hunedoara</territory>
      <territory>Alba</territory>
      <territory>Mureş</territory>
      <territory>Sibiu</territory>
      <territory>Harghita</territory>
      <territory>Braşov</territory>
      <territory>Covasna</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Oltenia</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Mehedinţi</territory>
      <territory>Gorj</territory>
      <territory>Dolj</territory>
      <territory>Vâlcea</territory>
      <territory>Olt</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Muntenia</name>
   <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Argeş</territory>
      <territory>Teleorman</territory>
      <territory>Dâmboviţa</territory>
      <territory>Giurgiu</territory>
      <territory>Prahova</territory>
      <territory>Bucureşti</territory>
      <territory>Buzău</territory>
      <territory>Ialomiţa</territory>
      <territory>Brăila</territory>
      <territory>Călăraşi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Dobrogea</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Tulcea</territory>
      <territory>Delta Dunării</territory>
      <territory>Constanţa</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Moldavia</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Suceava</territory>
      <territory>Botoşani</territory>
      <territory>Neamţ</territory>
      <territory>Iaşi</territory>
      <territory>Bacău</territory>
      <territory>Vaslui</territory>
      <territory>Vrancea</territory>
      <territory>Galaţi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>


<territory>
   <name>Satu Mare</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>166</smallx>
      <smally>108</smally>
      <largex>214</largex>
      <largey>129</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Maramureş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Cluj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>244</smallx>
      <smally>98</smally>
      <largex>303</largex>
      <largey>116</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bihor</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Alba</border>	
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>130</smallx>
      <smally>129</smally>
      <largex>166</largex>
      <largey>158</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Sălaj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Satu Mare</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>187</smallx>
      <smally>149</smally>
      <largex>240</largex>
      <largey>184</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bistriţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>271</smallx>
      <smally>141</smally>
      <largex>345</largex>
      <largey>174</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Cluj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Sălaj</border>
      <border>Maramureş</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>220</smallx>
      <smally>162</smally>
      <largex>281</largex>
      <largey>201</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Arad</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bihor</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>109</smallx>
      <smally>204</smally>
      <largex>141</largex>
      <largey>252</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Timiş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>54</smallx>
      <smally>262</smally>
      <largex>74</largex>
      <largey>327</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Caraş-Severin</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>115</smallx>
      <smally>320</smally>
      <largex>151</largex>
      <largey>400</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Hunedoara</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Timiş</border>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>177</smallx>
      <smally>269</smally>
      <largex>220</largex>
      <largey>334</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Alba</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Arad</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Hunedoara</border>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Bihor</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>215</smallx>
      <smally>227</smally>
      <largex>273</largex>
      <largey>280</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Mureş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Cluj</border>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>283</smallx>
      <smally>182</smally>
      <largex>354</largex>
      <largey>229</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Sibiu</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Alba</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>260</smallx>
      <smally>247</smally>
      <largex>333</largex>
      <largey>307</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Harghita</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>323</smallx>
      <smally>200</smally>
      <largex>411</largex>
      <largey>250</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Braşov</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sibiu</border>
      <border>Mureş</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>311</smallx>
      <smally>251</smally>
      <largex>397</largex>
      <largey>313</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Covasna</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Harghita</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>372</smallx>
      <smally>264</smally>
      <largex>476</largex>
      <largey>329</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Mehedinţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Caraş-Severin</border>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>166</smallx>
      <smally>369</smally>
      <largex>212</largex>
      <largey>462</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Gorj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>331</smally>
      <largex>260</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dolj</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mehedinţi</border>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>204</smallx>
      <smally>400</smally>
      <largex>260</largex>
      <largey>504</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vâlcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Gorj</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>249</smallx>
      <smally>337</smally>
      <largex>319</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Olt</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Dolj</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>268</smallx>
      <smally>405</smally>
      <largex>341</largex>
      <largey>506</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Argeş</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vâlcea</border>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>291</smallx>
      <smally>350</smally>
      <largex>371</largex>
      <largey>438</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Teleorman</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Olt</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>315</smallx>
      <smally>407</smally>
      <largex>402</largex>
      <largey>512</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dâmboviţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bucureşti</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Argeş</border>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>331</smallx>
      <smally>341</smally>
      <largex>421</largex>
      <largey>425</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Giurgiu</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Teleorman</border>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucureşti</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>365</smallx>
      <smally>430</smally>
      <largex>468</largex>
      <largey>534</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Prahova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Bucureşti</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>375</smallx>
      <smally>347</smally>
      <largex>476</largex>
      <largey>430</largey>

   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bucureşti</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Dâmboviţa</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>377</smallx>
      <smally>387</smally>
      <largex>480</largex>
      <largey>485</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Buzău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Braşov</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>415</smallx>
      <smally>323</smally>
      <largex>528</largex>
      <largey>400</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Ialomiţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bucureşti</border>
      <border>Prahova</border>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Călăraşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>458</smallx>
      <smally>370</smally>
      <largex>579</largex>
      <largey>464</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Călăraşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Giurgiu</border>
      <border>Bucureşti</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>424</smallx>
      <smally>393</smally>
      <largex>542</largex>
      <largey>496</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Brăila</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
      <border>Delta Dunării</border>
      <border>Ialomiţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>470</smallx>
      <smally>337</smally>
      <largex>601</largex>
      <largey>427</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Delta Dunării</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>582</smallx>
      <smally>332</smally>
      <largex>742</largex>
      <largey>421</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Tulcea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Delta Dunării</border>
      <border>Constanţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>525</smallx>
      <smally>339</smally>
      <largex>664</largex>
      <largey>426</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Constanţa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Tulcea</border>
    </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>518</smallx>
      <smally>401</smally>
      <largex>659</largex>
      <largey>508</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>



<territory>
   <name>Suceava</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Bistriţa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>353</smallx>
      <smally>101</smally>
      <largex>453</largex>
      <largey>120</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Botoşani</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>413</smallx>
      <smally>82</smally>
      <largex>526</largex>
      <largey>98</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Neamţ</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>387</smallx>
      <smally>159</smally>
      <largex>492</largex>
      <largey>197</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Iaşi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Botoşani</border>
      <border>Suceava</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>449</smallx>
      <smally>139</smally>
      <largex>566</largex>
      <largey>169</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bacău</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>419</smallx>
      <smally>215</smally>
      <largex>529</largex>
      <largey>265</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vaslui</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Neamţ</border>
      <border>Iaşi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>479</smallx>
      <smally>208</smally>
      <largex>608</largex>
      <largey>257</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Vrancea</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Buzău</border>
      <border>Covasna</border>
      <border>Bacău</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Galaţi</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>425</smallx>
      <smally>272</smally>
      <largex>539</largex>
      <largey>338</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Galaţi</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vrancea</border>
      <border>Vaslui</border>
      <border>Brăila</border>
      <border>Delta Dunării</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates> 
      <smallx>482</smallx>
      <smally>271</smally>
      <largex>613</largex>
      <largey>342</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


</map>

[foregone]

Should the centering anywhere be further up/down left/right? (Apologies in advance for dumping 4 images)

Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

[yeti_c]

Co-ords I would change

LARGE
Timis - further left to avoid clashing name on 3 digits.
Gorj - couple of pixels to the left to be more central

SMALL
Arges - left a bit to avoid clashing the Dambovita name.
Salaj - up a couple to move away from border.
Dambovita - left a couple to move away from border.
Mures - down or right a couple to move away from border.

Can't see anything else.

C.

[foregone]

Co-ords I would change

LARGE
Timis - further left to avoid clashing name on 3 digits.
Gorj - couple of pixels to the left to be more central

SMALL
Arges - left a bit to avoid clashing the Dambovita name.
Salaj - up a couple to move away from border.
Dambovita - left a couple to move away from border.
Mures - down or right a couple to move away from border.

Can't see anything else.

C.

Thanks, yeti. All fixed up and the new tests and XML loaded in the previous posts.