Not A Natural Born Citizen

[Nickbaldwin]

I don't blame him, I wouldn't hand my birth certificate out to nutters either....

[PLAYER57832]

I don't blame him, I wouldn't hand my birth certificate out to nutters either....

And this is the real issue. You can argue all you want about "conspiracies" and fraud, but do you SERIOUSLY, really and truly think Republicans, even fellow Democrats (Hillary, McCain, etc.) would have let such a think go unproven?

Believe me, I KNOW a few people who began the vetting process. They not only check your birth certificate, they check those of your family, your affiliations, news reports, etc. Some things (loose affiliations) can occasionally escape notice, but those are things like "who sat behind Obama in second grade", who lived 2 blocks from him and once in a while maybe babysat him, not
"where was Obama born".

[Hologram]

I don't blame him, I wouldn't hand my birth certificate out to nutters either....

And this is the real issue. You can argue all you want about "conspiracies" and fraud, but do you SERIOUSLY, really and truly think Republicans, even fellow Democrats (Hillary, McCain, etc.) would have let such a think go unproven?

Believe me, I KNOW a few people who began the vetting process. They not only check your birth certificate, they check those of your family, your affiliations, news reports, etc. Some things (loose affiliations) can occasionally escape notice, but those are things like "who sat behind Obama in second grade", who lived 2 blocks from him and once in a while maybe babysat him, not
"where was Obama born".

Exactly. Obama was asked by the State Department to give proof of his qualifications for president. The State Department would not have allowed him to run if these documents were not given and/or if they had been proven to be frauds.

I don't blame the guy for not turning over his documents. These accusations are so outrageous that it simply doesn't warrant giving them the pleasure of finding every single pseudo-flaw in a document that's already been proven to be real.

[black elk speaks]

A judge in the legal system has asked him to produce it. Because someone in the Republicrat party hasn't thought of it first is insignificant.

Regarding the photoshop issue, so someone has to open an image in photoshop in order to rename it? what ever happen to the good old "right click and rename file" tactic? This guy has shunted responsibility for his associations and has duped all of you. I wasn't duped by the ignorance of bush, I am not duped by the ignorance of this tool.

You can have him as your fucking president, I would sooner spit on his shoes before I give him the respect of president of the united states. He has refused to pledge his allegiance to the flag, or the republic for which it stands. His ultra leftist liberal monetary policies in the form of corporate welfare and heavy tax and spend practices will further balloon the national deficit. You can tell yourselves that it is actually a good thing if you want too... but I don't think its true.

I have made references to him as being the anti-christ. I believe it. I don't think that satan has sent him to usher the way for the great dragon's arrival for the final battle... but I do think that ancient and biblical prophecy are truisms either because people have had "memories" of the future yet to come, or because people, having read the bible, have a tendency to make those events come to pass.

Still... I have to ask. Why would BO seek to block and disrespect the order of a judge, a legitimate official of the American legal system, if he had nothing to hide?

[PLAYER57832]

A judge in the legal system has asked him to produce it. Because someone in the Republicrat party hasn't thought of it first is insignificant.

And judges like this are precisely why the Executive branch is largely immune from petty prosecutions. It is called harrassment, not a serious issue.

As for the Republicans, they HAVE brought it up, examined the evidence and decided not to make fools of themselves.

Regarding the photoshop issue, so someone has to open an image in photoshop in order to rename it? what ever happen to the good old "right click and rename file" tactic? This guy has shunted responsibility for his associations and has duped all of you. I wasn't duped by the ignorance of bush, I am not duped by the ignorance of this tool.

You can have him as your fucking president, I would sooner spit on his shoes before I give him the respect of president of the united states. He has refused to pledge his allegiance to the flag, or the republic for which it stands. His ultra leftist liberal monetary policies in the form of corporate welfare and heavy tax and spend practices will further balloon the national deficit. You can tell yourselves that it is actually a good thing if you want too... but I don't think its true.

I have made references to him as being the anti-christ. I believe it. I don't think that satan has sent him to usher the way for the great dragon's arrival for the final battle... but I do think that ancient and biblical prophecy are truisms either because people have had "memories" of the future yet to come, or because people, having read the bible, have a tendency to make those events come to pass.

Obama won. He will be our president. The MAJORITY of people elected him. Your side lost ... get over it!

Still... I have to ask. Why would BO seek to block and disrespect the order of a judge, a legitimate official of the American legal system, if he had nothing to hide?

Because that judge has absolutely no jurisdiction in this case .. and if that judge knows any speck of law, he is well aware he has no jurisdiction.

[black elk speaks]

Harassment? Bill Clinton was dragged out for getting a blow job from a fat intern. That was petty. The sad thing is that he actually answered the questions... or at least, that is your logic. I am sorry, but the qualifications for being President are few... 14 years living in the US, 35 years of age and a natural born citizen. You may be right about his actually being a citizen, and the paperwork is probably all on the up and up... but the accusations are out there, some claims by his own relatives, and he would do well to just answer the question and produce the documents. Any person applying for any job would be required to prove that they are legally able to work in this country... I know I had to.

I don't have to get over it. The country that has afforded me my freedoms, is the same country that I have been ashamed of for the last 8 years. 10 really. I was just too stoned and stupid to be paying attention 10 years ago.

Democrats and republicans are ripping this country apart. and I haven't an ounce of respect for all but a few. I believe that our government is due for a violent cleansing and the lot of the criminals that run the show aught to be put ti the sword. Personally sister, I don't care if you don't like it. And don't give me this "divided we fall" bull shit because its the elected officials of this country that keep us divided. They have politicized issues on the national level that aught to be managed on the state level.

[PLAYER57832]

Harassment? Bill Clinton was dragged out for getting a blow job from a fat intern. That was petty. The sad thing is that he actually answered the questions... or at least, that is your logic. I am sorry, but the qualifications for being President are few... 14 years living in the US, 35 years of age and a natural born citizen. You may be right about his actually being a citizen, and the paperwork is probably all on the up and up... but the accusations are out there, some claims by his own relatives, and he would do well to just answer the question and produce the documents. Any person applying for any job would be required to prove that they are legally able to work in this country... I know I had to.

I don't have to get over it. The country that has afforded me my freedoms, is the same country that I have been ashamed of for the last 8 years. 10 really. I was just too stoned and stupid to be paying attention 10 years ago.

Democrats and republicans are ripping this country apart. and I haven't an ounce of respect for all but a few. I believe that our government is due for a violent cleansing and the lot of the criminals that run the show aught to be put ti the sword. Personally sister, I don't care if you don't like it. And don't give me this "divided we fall" bull shit because its the elected officials of this country that keep us divided. They have politicized issues on the national level that aught to be managed on the state level.

Well you are right about the "get over it" part. You certainly do have a right to your opinion. I apologize.

But this "antiChrist" and "show the birth certificate" bit is just a bit tiring... and getting absolutely nowhere.

[StiffMittens]

Regarding the Photoshop issue, so someone has to open an image in photoshop in order to rename it? what ever happen to the good old "right click and rename file" tactic?

The point was that the big smoking gun put forth by syc1959 (or whatever his name was from that youTube video) of using Hexedit to show that file was altered in Photoshop is no smoking gun at all. There are plenty of reasons why someone might open the file in Photoshop and then save it elsewhere on disk. Imagine this scenario: I'm work as a graphic artist for some website. someone sends me an image file to post on the website. I open it Photoshop to first see that it is in fact the right image, then rather than closing the file and moving and renaming it through the OS, I simply save it from Photoshop to another location on disk with a new name to go along with the naming conventions of the website's specs. Big deal.

The fact that Adobe Photoshop appears in the file's header (even if you want to argue about timestamps and timelines etc.) proves absolutely nothing.

Now quit being willfully obtuse and elaborate on how the Repubs and Dems are wrecking the place. I think you might be actually on to something meaningful there.

[DaGip]

MSNBC is finally starting to take note, albeit very obscurely, in some off set corner far removed from their headline stories:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 89515.aspx

What if Obama isn't allowed to be president? What will happen? Who becomes president?

[Dancing Mustard]

The country that has afforded me my freedoms, is the same country that I have been ashamed of for the last 8 years.

Ingrate.

[DaGip]

You Obama supporters don't even care whether or not Obama was born in America. You guys would gladly hand over our American government to a person that isn't constitutionally eligible to be the president of the United States. Shame...shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2moOiS0sAGg

[Snorri1234]

You Obama supporters don't even care whether or not Obama was born in America. You guys would gladly hand over our American government to a person that isn't constitutionally eligible to be the president of the United States. Shame...shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2moOiS0sAGg

You're right, I don't care.

[Dancing Mustard]

You Obama supporters don't even care whether or not Obama was born in America.

Why should we?

"Obama has six toes!!! And he's going to be the President!!!".... who gives a f*ck?

You guys would gladly hand over our American government to a person that isn't constitutionally eligible to be the president of the United States.

Where's the problem? Why should anybody give a f*ck about the pedantry surrounding a single ridiculous and anachronistic regulation? The people have spoken, they want the man to be President. Who cares about an ancient and outdated bit of beuraucracy? How would you feel if you were faced with the criticism "Obama haters don't even care about the Will of the People, you would gladly deny democracy and stifle the voice of the majority with pointless rules". To hell with the irrelevance of constitutional minutiae, democracy and liberty are too important to bow to disingenuous and pointless lawyering.

The people want the guy to be in charge regardless of where he dropped from his mother's womb, f*ck the red-tape, f*ck the hanky-panky, who gives a shit about the footnote to the small-print of a long outdated bit of paper? Get that guy in the White House already.

[PLAYER57832]

MSNBC is finally starting to take note, albeit very obscurely, in some off set corner far removed from their headline stories:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 89515.aspx

What if Obama isn't allowed to be president? What will happen? Who becomes president?

All the article states it that the issue will be heard. It also gives witnesses to the fact that Obama was born in the U.S.

Some people will ALWAYS criticize whomever is president ... and whomever else is in charge anywhere, no matter how flimsy the grounds.

[mpjh]

You Obama supporters don't even care whether or not Obama was born in America. You guys would gladly hand over our American government to a person that isn't constitutionally eligible to be the president of the United States. Shame...shame.

Absolutely don't even care. He can't do worse than the last guy who was born in the USA, although I wouldn't say that was a "natural" birth.

[Frigidus]

I'd kind of hoped Obama would use "Born in the USA" as his victory song. That would have been hilarious.

[spurgistan]

I'd kind of hoped Obama would use "Born in the USA" as his victory song. That would have been hilarious.

Not as funny as Reagan using that, though. I feel like failing to get that song really underscored Ronald Reagan's fitness for the position, specific area where he left Mama Reagan's birth canal be damned.

[nesterdude]

This is absolutely amusing

What a bunch of hypocrites.
These friggin liberals have been crying murder for 8 years, but when the same type of stuff that they championed = Justice, Truth, [insert any abstract noun], that hey criticized for being abused...well when it's thier guy...
What a bunch of strokers.

[PLAYER57832]

This is absolutely amusing

What a bunch of hypocrites.
These friggin liberals have been crying murder for 8 years, but when the same type of stuff that they championed = Justice, Truth, [insert any abstract noun], that hey criticized for being abused...well when it's thier guy...
What a bunch of strokers.

These claims just don't have any real validity.

Among other issues, if you are born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen, regardless of your parents. The issue of parentage comes up if you are born in some areas under U.S. jurisdiction, but not actually within the U.S. This gets technical, but is not relevant to Obama. Also, if a child is born outside the U.S., but has a parent who is a U.S. Citizen, they are generally considered natural citizens, but not natural born citizens.

Similarly, although a birth certificate is the easiest and most common way to affirm U.S. birth, it is not the only one. Many home births of that time did not get them.

[black elk speaks]

This is absolutely amusing

What a bunch of hypocrites.
These friggin liberals have been crying murder for 8 years, but when the same type of stuff that they championed = Justice, Truth, [insert any abstract noun], that hey criticized for being abused...well when it's thier guy...
What a bunch of strokers.

These claims just don't have any real validity.

that would be your opinion. There are MANY that disagree. withholding information that actually qualifies you for the position of the highest office in America raises eyebrows.

Among other issues, if you are born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen, regardless of your parents. The issue of parentage comes up if you are born in some areas under U.S. jurisdiction, but not actually within the U.S. This gets technical, but is not relevant to Obama. Also, if a child is born outside the U.S., but has a parent who is a U.S. Citizen, they are generally considered natural citizens, but not natural born citizens.

Do give sources please... because if this were true, which I doubt a lot, the question of Obama's citizenship would not be in question.

Similarly, although a birth certificate is the easiest and most common way to affirm U.S. birth, it is not the only one. Many home births of that time did not get them.

I have had multiple births at home. All of which are attended by a qualified mid wife who served as the witness to the birth to the state which provided the birth certificates for them. It is still a document and is used, just as a death certificate is used, to certify a person's entry to and passing from this world in accordance with our laws. To not have a birth certificate is to have no official record of your birth, therefore, no official record of your natural citizenship.

[mpjh]

Wrong -- the requirement is that you be a natural born person not that you have to have a birth certificate. If you can prove your birth by any other means, that is sufficient.

[DaGip]

This is absolutely amusing

What a bunch of hypocrites.
These friggin liberals have been crying murder for 8 years, but when the same type of stuff that they championed = Justice, Truth, [insert any abstract noun], that hey criticized for being abused...well when it's thier guy...
What a bunch of strokers.

These claims just don't have any real validity.

that would be your opinion. There are MANY that disagree. withholding information that actually qualifies you for the position of the highest office in America raises eyebrows.

The claims are valid. It appears that Mr.Obama II was born in Mambosa, Kenya while his grandmother was present at the birth in a Kenyan Hospital. His mother couldn't fly to Hawaii, because she was TOO pregnant to be allowed on the plane. So she gave birth in Kenya. Her liberal mind was okay with this, because she had stated that she would never have a relationship with a white, Christian man. Why? Because she was part of the communistic rebellion that was taking place with the youth of the country. Kind of the same thing that is going on right now. People are so fed up with Bush's policies, that they are willing to give socialism a chance (well, if you really look at Bush's policies, you will come to the conclusion that they are socialist in nature and not conservative in the least). Stanely Ann Dunham WANTED her half black son to be born in the land of his father's birth--she WANTED her son to be born in Kenya. So she gave birth to him in Kenya at the age of 18 with Obama's grandma present at the birthing.

The validity of the claim is such, that the Supreme Court will be taking a look at it. I hope they throw that communist infiltrator in jail!
I would keep an eye on this site, if I were you guys:

http://www.obamacrimes.com/

Among other issues, if you are born in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen, regardless of your parents. The issue of parentage comes up if you are born in some areas under U.S. jurisdiction, but not actually within the U.S. This gets technical, but is not relevant to Obama. Also, if a child is born outside the U.S., but has a parent who is a U.S. Citizen, they are generally considered natural citizens, but not natural born citizens.

Do give sources please... because if this were true, which I doubt a lot, the question of Obama's citizenship would not be in question.

Player, even if Obama WAS born in Kansas, he still wouldn't be eligible to be the president under the laws that were in place at the time of his birth. Both parents must be United States Citizens, of which Obama Sr. was not. Obama Sr. was a Kenyan and of British citizenry. Barack Hussein Obama's mama was just eighteen years of age, and giving birth to Obama in Kenya would not make him a natural born citizen. Also, Stanley Ann Dunham had to have been considered a citizen of Indonesia when she was married to Mr. Soetoro. She would have lost her citizenship to the United States. Barack would have been considered an Indonesian citizen as well, as Barack went to school in Indonesia, and you may only be a student in Indonesia if you are a citizen of Indonesia. Barack has an Indonesian passport and traveled freely through Pakistan with his Pakistani buddies back when Americans were not allowed to travel there. If Barack were American, he would not have been allowed into Pakistan, but that is not the case, Barack is an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetoro.

Similarly, although a birth certificate is the easiest and most common way to affirm U.S. birth, it is not the only one. Many home births of that time did not get them.

I have had multiple births at home. All of which are attended by a qualified mid wife who served as the witness to the birth to the state which provided the birth certificates for them. It is still a document and is used, just as a death certificate is used, to certify a person's entry to and passing from this world in accordance with our laws. To not have a birth certificate is to have no official record of your birth, therefore, no official record of your natural citizenship.

HaHa! This isn't about Home Birthing school, guys! This is about Barack claiming he was born at such and such a hospital in Honolulu, of which both he and his sister have given the names of two different hospitals as the place of his birth. And we have Obama's grandma from Kenya stating that her grandson was born in a hospital in Mambosa, Kenya all the while she was looking on during the birth.

Also, we have the Kenyan Ambassador even claiming that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya:
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

If all of this evidence (all of which Obama has not answered to, it would only take him a couple of minutes to quell the allegations, right?) is indeed true, Obama can not be the president of the United States of America as defined by the highest law in the land--The Constitution.

I know it is hurtful for all of you that supported this man for president, but you have to realize that you all have been lied to. You have been lied to by the Obama camp AND you have been lied to by the DNC! And not to give two shits about the Constitution in this matter just goes to show how easily you have succumbed to the socialist movement in this country.

To have Obama as president will bring civil unrest, to not have him as president will bring civil unrest...either way, we are going to come to arms over this issue, might as well fall on the side of the Constitution!

[Dancing Mustard]

we are going to come to arms over this issue

You wish.

Seriously, go take up an active hobby instead of sitting at home dreaming of exciting conspiracies that might happen in the future to spice up your otherwise dull existance.

we might as well fall on the side of the Constitution!

But why? Why give a f*ck about the anachronistic reverence and mysticism surrounding a single ridiculous bit of legislation? The people have spoken, they want the man to be President. Who cares about an ancient and outdated bit of beuraucracy? To hell with the irrelevance of constitutional minutiae, democracy and liberty are too important to bow to disingenuous and pointless lawyering. The people want the guy to be in charge regardless of where he dropped from his mother's womb, f*ck the red-tape, f*ck the hanky-panky, who gives a shit about the footnote to the small-print of a long outdated bit of paper? Get that guy in the White House already. Why bother falling on the side of an ancient piece of lavatory paper? People will just side with the guy who is rightfully president.

[walnutwatson]

The people have spoken, they want the man to be President.

Right on. That's democracy in action. Swarchenegger for President, 2012.
Plus the fact that the first two Presidents were born in British America and were therefore British and not American. You seem to have a good man about to go into the Whitehouse, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

[walnutwatson]

Anyhow, Kenyans are nice people, at least the ones I've met, can't be any worse than George W.