Bad Ratings just because you won?

[Desoulman]

Now I am relatively new here, so maybe its just the way this is, but it seems that people who don't talk at all during games are the same ones who will leave you bad ratings just because you lost. I mean, honestly, do you expect to win every game? I don't see what the big deal is about losing some of your games.

[e_i_pi]

Control Panel
->Friends & Foes tab
->Manage Foes
->Add new foes: Type 'Abinadi'
->Attach Note: Type 'Has yet to master the ability to count higher than a single digit, hence his ratings left'
->Submit
->Yes

[JimRocky]

Now I am relatively new here, so maybe its just the way this is, but it seems that people who don't talk at all during games are the same ones who will leave you bad ratings just because you lost. I mean, honestly, do you expect to win every game? I don't see what the big deal is about losing some of your games.

The rating system is a bit bizarre. Everyone has their on way of deciding how to rate others. Some chose the 'Be a Poor Sport Jerk' method you described. Someone should make a topic for people to post how they decide to rate others.

[Iron Butterfly]

Not to mention that if you say anything in game chat other then hello, good luck and gg or if you dont you run the risk of being rated for a bad attitude.

[The Neon Peon]

Someone should make a topic for people to post how they decide to rate others.

And considering 1% of CC goes to the forums, and 99% of the people have a rating of above-average to excellent, and that this is the internet, hence full of lazy people... no.

Okay, start a thread, fine. But it is not going to do anything, so don't get your points up.

Here is how I rate people:

[JimRocky]

Someone should make a topic for people to post how they decide to rate others.

And considering 1% of CC goes to the forums, and 99% of the people have a rating of above-average to excellent, and that this is the internet, hence full of lazy people... no.

Okay, start a thread, fine. But it is not going to do anything, so don't get your points up.

Here is how I rate people:

I did say "someone", clearly indicating, (I thought) that I wasn't going to be doing it.

My rating method is a bit unusual too but it works for me. Everyone, except the occasional jerkwad, gets 5 stars, the jerkwads get 1 stars. The exception to this rule is that if a player previously gave me less than 5 stars I give them the rating they gave me instead of the 5 stars they would have gotten. Pretty bizarre eh?

[owenshooter]

you could also send him a PM asking him to remove it, since all you did was beat him. seems a bit juvenile to me, but it happens to me more times than i can think of. wait until you discover the marvels of the foe list, when you can't join a game against someone you have never even heard of, due to some odd reason...-0

[Johnny Rockets]

Classic symptom of a faulty system.

The sites end purpose is for you to have fun and enjoy. Funny enough but the
feedback, the score, and your rank will deter that. Just ignore those three things and you'll feel much better.

You can foe all the retards, but be selective because they outnumber us and you will find a lack of opponents.

JR

[The Neon Peon]

Someone should make a topic for people to post how they decide to rate others.

And considering 1% of CC goes to the forums, and 99% of the people have a rating of above-average to excellent, and that this is the internet, hence full of lazy people... no.

Okay, start a thread, fine. But it is not going to do anything, so don't get your points up.

Here is how I rate people:

I did say "someone", clearly indicating, (I thought) that I wasn't going to be doing it.

My rating method is a bit unusual too but it works for me. Everyone, except the occasional jerkwad, gets 5 stars, the jerkwads get 1 stars. The exception to this rule is that if a player previously gave me less than 5 stars I give them the rating they gave me instead of the 5 stars they would have gotten. Pretty bizarre eh?

This is why the rating system is horrible: people like you.

You give everyone "excellent" unless they did something bad. Because of people like you, everyone gets an average between 4.5-5.0, and thus it is meaningless, since .1% is about one 8 man game of 1 stars.

[JimRocky]

Someone should make a topic for people to post how they decide to rate others.

And considering 1% of CC goes to the forums, and 99% of the people have a rating of above-average to excellent, and that this is the internet, hence full of lazy people... no.

Okay, start a thread, fine. But it is not going to do anything, so don't get your points up.

Here is how I rate people:

I did say "someone", clearly indicating, (I thought) that I wasn't going to be doing it.

My rating method is a bit unusual too but it works for me. Everyone, except the occasional jerkwad, gets 5 stars, the jerkwads get 1 stars. The exception to this rule is that if a player previously gave me less than 5 stars I give them the rating they gave me instead of the 5 stars they would have gotten. Pretty bizarre eh?

This is why the rating system is horrible: people like you.

You give everyone "excellent" unless they did something bad. Because of people like you, everyone gets an average between 4.5-5.0, and thus it is meaningless, since .1% is about one 8 man game of 1 stars.

Well opinions vary. I choose to think the ratings system is horrible because of people described by the OP.

My reasoning is simple. I would like to be rated 5 stars by others , so I rate others 5 stars. If someone is a jerk, (and there aren't that many really), I give them 1. Why 1? Well as has been said, nearly everyone has a high rating anyway, so a 1 star is the only hope, though it's still mostly futile, of impacting the offenders rating to any noticeable degree.

Sure if everyone would all agree to use the rating system in a reasonable and consistent manner my way would be a horrible method. However, it's my belief that with the rating system as it actually is in reality, not in one's fantasy of a perfect world, that my system makes sense.

At any rate it's my system and unless I'm convinced there is a better one that fits with reality I'll keep using it. How would you think one could rate others in a manner so they become effective system for actually rating people, taking into account the system we are currently provided ?

[Desoulman]

Let me ask the community this, then:
If you see someone who has 4-5 stars for over 90% of their feedback, do you just assume the 1 star ratings are the result of someone being a jerk rather than the player earning the low rating?

[The Neon Peon]

A problem is not solved by contributing to it.

You say you want to get rated 5 stars, so you rate others 5 stars. Okay, but the whole point is to be above average. the current average is probably about 4.7, so how good is 4.7? not very, it is just average.

So, you try to get yourself a 5 start rating by rating others with 5 stars on default, which makes your 5 star rating, if you achieve it meaningless, you give it to everyone else.

You say the ratings system is not perfect, so you are just going along with it, because it will never be perfect... for some reason, I hear this argument use to justify people's ratings 95% of the time in threads like this. Now, if all those 95% of the people were so great minded, they thought just like you... the ratings system would be just like it is. But if at least one of those people chose to use it as intended. Who says people don't think alike?

That kind of philosophy is horrible. The system is not perfect because of the 5% 1 star across the board for everyone, and the 95% of the 5 stars across the board people. You have more impact on it than that 1 star guy.

[jesterhawk]

I will typically leave a rating on someone. I try to be fair with each one, but that said I really haven't played against anyone that I have had issue with. I did get one rating once where it said "Bad Teammate, vindictive" and we weren't playing teams. I responded to the rating and PM'ed that person and asked them to remove it and they never did. So, it is stuck there. But that is one of like 69 ratings and the rest are good. So, I don't worry about it.

JH

[JimRocky]

A problem is not solved by contributing to it.

You say you want to get rated 5 stars, so you rate others 5 stars. Okay, but the whole point is to be above average. the current average is probably about 4.7, so how good is 4.7? not very, it is just average.

So, you try to get yourself a 5 start rating by rating others with 5 stars on default, which makes your 5 star rating, if you achieve it meaningless, you give it to everyone else.

You say the ratings system is not perfect, so you are just going along with it, because it will never be perfect... for some reason, I hear this argument use to justify people's ratings 95% of the time in threads like this. Now, if all those 95% of the people were so great minded, they thought just like you... the ratings system would be just like it is. But if at least one of those people chose to use it as intended. Who says people don't think alike?

That kind of philosophy is horrible. The system is not perfect because of the 5% 1 star across the board for everyone, and the 95% of the 5 stars across the board people. You have more impact on it than that 1 star guy.

Actually I said I would like to be rated 5 stars by others, not that I expected to ever obtain a total rating of 5 stars.
I don't think there will ever be a majority of people using the rating system the 'perfect world' way. So I choose to accept that as it is and go with what we have. I choose to participate. At least I can spread a little sunshine a give good honest players a good rating. I think it's better that just never rating anyone at all. I suppose never rating anyone at all is not harmful, but it's certainly not improving or helping in any way. At least with my method people get to feel good. The odd jerk here and there isn't going to be too upset either, because as we both agree, ratings are essentially meaningless since nearly everyone is rated 4 and higher.

[The Neon Peon]

You are not getting my point at all. The reason ratings are meaningless is because of people like you.

You talk of a perfect world, and that you are going along with the imperfect flow... well guess what? so is everyone else. If all of you people who think that the system is messed up by default stop going with the flow, and decide that you are going to be that one person out of everyone who uses the system properly...

I think the system will magically change to almost perfect.

For some reason, the philosophy that you are going to use it correctly when the system is correct... I fail to see the logic.

Stop pinning the blame on others and do something about it. If everyone with your mentality did just that, then the system would be 99% perfect.

[owenshooter]

You are not getting my point at all. The reason ratings are meaningless is because of people like you.

You talk of a perfect world, and that you are going along with the imperfect flow... well guess what? so is everyone else. If all of you people who think that the system is messed up by default stop going with the flow, and decide that you are going to be that one person out of everyone who uses the system properly...

I think the system will magically change to almost perfect.

For some reason, the philosophy that you are going to use it correctly when the system is correct... I fail to see the logic.

Stop pinning the blame on others and do something about it. If everyone with your mentality did just that, then the system would be 99% perfect.

wow, so abrasive this early in the morning? lighten up...-0

[JimRocky]

You are not getting my point at all. The reason ratings are meaningless is because of people like you.

You talk of a perfect world, and that you are going along with the imperfect flow... well guess what? so is everyone else. If all of you people who think that the system is messed up by default stop going with the flow, and decide that you are going to be that one person out of everyone who uses the system properly...

I think the system will magically change to almost perfect.

For some reason, the philosophy that you are going to use it correctly when the system is correct... I fail to see the logic.

Stop pinning the blame on others and do something about it. If everyone with your mentality did just that, then the system would be 99% perfect.

Well I don't wish to argue. But please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not blaming anyone. You yourself have not gone with the flow, as you put it, and yet the systems has not magically changed to almost perfect. I imagine there are others too that have chosen to not go with the flow , and yet the system appears no closer to magically changing to almost perfect.
Sometimes in life you just have to accept when it's best to float with the current instead of wearing yourself out swimming upstream. I don't believe that if I suddenly change my ratings method that it will have any magical effect either. All that will happen is people will feel slighted when I rate them average instead of excellent. I don't want to make people feel bad, and I am not capable of leading a magical ratings revolution. So we both choose our way of dealing with it. I float in the river downstream and have fun doing it with the others who appear to be having fun. You choose to stay out the water all together.
And we see a few others swimming furiously upstream only to be swept away by the strong current. There are no magic beans to be found.

In summary though: I'm not blaming anyone. I do not know of anything I can do about 'it' that would be effective. I don't perceive that your chosen alternative has been very effective either, so I challenge you, as you did me, to do something about it. I don't believe in magic.

[The Neon Peon]

You still do not understand what I am saying, so let me put it in very simple words:

Rating system = bad right now
Some people (Small %) make it good
Large % make it bad
You make it bad
You point out those small % of good people and show that they do not change
You refuse to make it good because that small % could not make it good
Rating system continues to be bad

Simple enough?

[CrazyAnglican]

The standardizing of the feedback, I think, saves the mods a lot of headache from the old system. I rather liked the old one though because you were able to leave feedback in your own words and see what the other person thought about the game immediately. In answer to you question desoulman, I don't look at ratings at all, but I did check the feedback under the old system a lot. I would avoid a player with more negative feedback than positive, and yes if I saw someone with 32 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives I'd ignore the negatives (especially because some people were notorious for leaving negs and everyone knew who's feedback to ignore).

[JimRocky]

You still do not understand what I am saying, so let me put it in very simple words:

Rating system = bad right now
Some people (Small %) make it good
Large % make it bad
You make it bad
You point out those small % of good people and show that they do not change
You refuse to make it good because that small % could not make it good
Rating system continues to be bad

Simple enough?

Oh I understand what you are saying. It is you that are unable to grasp my deeper concept.
Like I said I don't care to argue, but if your going to be rude and hypocritical I will make a final reply and let it go.

Why don't you start the ball rolling? Hello pot, meet kettle. You make it bad just as equally, actually more so than you assert that I do. You are unwilling to do what you are insisting I should understand and do. If everyone used your system of giving out ratings the system would be even more useless than it is now. So in actuality I am doing more for the system than you. I participate in the way that I think makes the most sense given the situation. You do nothing at all. You never leave a rating. Yet you have the gall to act as though you must simplify your words to me as you speak of a magical solution that I should feel compelled to strike out upon leading the way to a ratings revolution. It's a magical solution that you yourself aren't willing to demonstrate though. Perhaps you have no faith in the idea you profess I should embrace? Sounds like snake oil to me.

So come on in the waters fine, have some fun with the gang, or maybe if you jump in and start swimming upstream you'll magically inspire others and myself to do the same. Just don't yell at me from the bank with dry feet telling me to swim upstream with your magical beans, because like I said, I don't believe in magic.

[The Neon Peon]

Alright, I see your point as well.

[PLAYER57832]

Let me ask the community this, then:
If you see someone who has 4-5 stars for over 90% of their feedback, do you just assume the 1 star ratings are the result of someone being a jerk rather than the player earning the low rating?

Yes.

For one thing, if you play more than a few games, a few 1's won't even affect your rating. If I do bother to check, I will see the response, the other people's ratings and go accordingly. If I have a doubt, I will go into the profile of the one who left the 1's and see if that is a pattern (and if it is, likely add them to my foe list ... I can do without jerks).

I have, however noticed that many of the real jerks tend to play freestyle. There are many nice players who play freestyle, but it does seem that a lot of those who are not so nice just prefer freestyle. Almost everyone here is nice ... in ALL game types. I have played over 6000 games and have met fewer than a dozen true jerks .. and only one or two that were really, really bad.

[PLAYER57832]

You are not getting my point at all. The reason ratings are meaningless is because of people like you.

You talk of a perfect world, and that you are going along with the imperfect flow... well guess what? so is everyone else. If all of you people who think that the system is messed up by default stop going with the flow, and decide that you are going to be that one person out of everyone who uses the system properly...

I think the system will magically change to almost perfect.

For some reason, the philosophy that you are going to use it correctly when the system is correct... I fail to see the logic.

Stop pinning the blame on others and do something about it. If everyone with your mentality did just that, then the system would be 99% perfect.

Well I don't wish to argue. But please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not blaming anyone. You yourself have not gone with the flow, as you put it, and yet the systems has not magically changed to almost perfect. I imagine there are others too that have chosen to not go with the flow , and yet the system appears no closer to magically changing to almost perfect.
Sometimes in life you just have to accept when it's best to float with the current instead of wearing yourself out swimming upstream. I don't believe that if I suddenly change my ratings method that it will have any magical effect either. All that will happen is people will feel slighted when I rate them average instead of excellent. I don't want to make people feel bad, and I am not capable of leading a magical ratings revolution. So we both choose our way of dealing with it. I float in the river downstream and have fun doing it with the others who appear to be having fun. You choose to stay out the water all together.
And we see a few others swimming furiously upstream only to be swept away by the strong current. There are no magic beans to be found.

In summary though: I'm not blaming anyone. I do not know of anything I can do about 'it' that would be effective. I don't perceive that your chosen alternative has been very effective either, so I challenge you, as you did me, to do something about it. I don't believe in magic.

How about this .. it is a GAME. We are here to have fun, not be insulted. f you really care about skill .. it will show up in your ranking (yes, it REALLY will ... not absolutely perfectly, but nothing is perfect). Else, what the overwhelming majority of folks want is a pleasant experience.

What differance does it really make if you give everyone but the absolute jerks all 5's? You make someone's day a little more pleasant. Terrible tragedy that!

Are you really going to decide not to play someone because they have a score of 4.0 or even 3.0? You will play them and make up your own mind. Ratings only matter if someone is really, really bad -- then they let other people know this is someone to avoid.

The only real concern about all 5's is if you insist on giving them to someone who is an absolute jerk -- foe list material. Still, if it is a consistant pattern, then your few 5's won't matter just like the few 1's won't matter in reverse. Besides, I know there are few out there who like being AND playing jerks ... let them find each other.