Do athiests celebrate christmas?

[Napoleon Ier]

Yes Juan, I'm 100% serious: I love Christmas and I'm not letting politically correct chumps like you ruin it because your poor feeble leftist's sensibilities are offended.

[Backglass]

This whilst the pearls of our heritage, wonders of Gothic architecture, are left to crumble under pretext that thy qualify as "religious" buildings and hence can't be maintained using PUBLIC funds (imagine the gall of demanding they should be! bah...).

How much have you donated to the cause to save your precious buildings? I am sure that if they are that cherished, the religions behind them will take up collections/endowments/donations to save them. I am also sure that were it an ancient MOSQUE being saved with your tax dollars, you would have paragraphs of verbose venom to spew about it.

I don't know what community you imagine I'd fit into from the perspective of you and your sandal-wearing community of decapacitated hippies, but I know where I do here.

Actually, I suspect you fit in only with those of a similar ilk. You surround yourself only with those who believe as you do and detest those that don't. You rarely, if ever go to the "big city" because what you see there disgusts you. Anyone of wealth is a fat-cat robber baron, anyone with a earring is a tranny-fag and those of different races are invaders and freeloaders and you loathe them all. Only you are right, only you are just, only you are righteous.

I know may not fit in with the trendy metrosexual yuppie crowd at the local yoga club, maybe not with the quasi-permanently (m)ethylically comatose gangstas with trackie bottoms around their mid-thigh, maybe not with the flatulent political élite.

Nope. You definitely don't. It is also clear that you hate anyone who is not also a backwoods sheep herder. Why do you hate everyone so much simply because they aren't like you?

I do know many who are honest, hard-working, family men struggling under oppressive taxes to make a decent living,

As do we all.

No, maybe I don't know many friends who are muslim, transvestite or literally want to ban Christmas

No surprise there. I work with few muslims, but that's about it. It would probably surprise you to find that ALL are "honest, hard-working, family men struggling under oppressive taxes to make a decent living". But you probably don't believe it or care...simply because they are muslims.

who are tired of being told they're racist for loving their country,

Nobody is a racist for loving their country, nor do I believe ANYONE has been called such simply for doing so.

But that's not the only reason...is it.

tired of their hard-earned wages going toward paying for cable TVs for the gangsta's who mugged them on their way home from work and weren't pursued because some rubber-stamping bureaucrats diverted resources from the police to fund council houses for this scum to live in, from where they can set up drug-dens.....<typical rant SNIP>

Yes, yes, yes...we know all about your feelings toward anyone not from your tiny hamlet. You sound like some in my country as well. That all poor are poor by choice, only lazy good-for-nothing addicts are on public assistance. Frankly, it's tired rhetoric.

And when they want to celebrate a traditional, religious Christmas with their family, no they can't, because do-gooder Mr. Fixit like you look on in horror at the notion that this might offend the lovely diversity-bringing communities we're so lucky to have.

Huh? OK...please explain how your family was "not allowed" to celebrate Christmas.

Now, maybe the socialist utopic world that you and your leftist buddies have created, with council houses stretching out as far as the eye can see, and anyone who tries to put in an honest day's work getting savaged for having the bloody cheek to try and actually shock-horror improve things for him and his family.

It always amazes me up how you know us so well...how did you know I was posting from a giant "council house"? (whatever the f*ck THAT is!) And whats with this manure about "getting savaged" for trying to improve your family life? Seriously...I don't know what destitute poverty you live in but it must be pretty bad for you to be so angry at the entire planet. You must live in a tiny one room shit hole (with internet!) and anyone who doesn't is a thief and/or swindler. Have you thought of actually going to college to improve your lot in life? You might actually even be able to buy yourself a giant "council house" one day.

I know, know. You'll dismiss this all with a throwaway "omg fairy tale believer" or "wacist!!111!!ONE!!limx-->0sin(x)/x!1!" comment followed by a smiley, but deep down, you'll feel guilt at the profound f*ck-up your generation have achieved.

<--- That's for you! I don't need to call you a racist...you do fine on your own and I have no idea what all those characters you are continually typing are supposed to mean. And as for guilt, nope...none here. It is painfully obvious however that you my friend have some very serious issues "deep down". I do hope you seek help for your intense anger before it eats you alive and you have a stroke at 35.

Yes Juan, I'm 100% serious: I love Christmas and I'm not letting politically correct chumps like you ruin it because your poor feeble leftist's sensibilities are offended.

A simple question. Try to answer it simply...if you can.

Why does it ruin Christmas for you, simply because you can't put a manger scene in the (public) town square?

[Quirk]

I'm a member of C.R.A.C.K.
Communist Revolutionaries Against Christmas, Kids



We won't give up the fight until the entire month of December is as bleak and joyless as our outlook on life.

[MeDeFe]

I celebrated christmas this year by starting 8 games with more to come. A big "Thanks!" to the Jesus Freaks.

[Juan_Bottom]

Yes Juan, I'm 100% serious: I love Christmas and I'm not letting politically correct chumps like you ruin it because your poor feeble leftist's sensibilities are offended.

Alright, but be very liberal with the insults like "poor" and "feeble" since my side is winning, lol.

[Napoleon Ier]

The Muslims and Zionist lobby are not poor and feeble, but they are using chumps like you to achieve their aims.

[Juan_Bottom]

That's like saying that Christians are using the Jews to kill Palestinians?

[Napoleon Ier]

No. It really isn't. It's nothing to do with that.

It's true, but unrelated. Actually, I can sort of see your angle, but it's two very different phenomena, Israel are just as happy to kill Palestinians as "Christians" supposedly "manipulating" them. "Manipulating" is the wrong word really, since Israel and the US seem from what I gather to have a rather symbiotic relationship.

That said, the Arab-Israeli conflict is not really a field of expertise for me.

[Timminz]

Just as christianity has taken much of what they celebrate from earlier religions, my family has taken from christianity, while moving forward with other parts of our beliefs and practices.

[jonesthecurl]

I like to see ghosts and ghouls on Halloween, and I like to see Santa, Rudolf, and the baby Jesus at Xmas. And chocolate eggs at easter too.

[brooksieb]

and still only 16....


I wonder what Nappy's Dad/Mum/Grandparents/Gaurdian (whatever the situation is) has been vomiting down his ear his whole life... There is a fine line between the nationalism of loving ones country and the nationalism of hating everything else that is different.

So what? It is better than not knowing nothing about politics at all like many teenagers do today and that's a fact, many teenagers in this country don't even know who the priminister is, they even mistaked David Cameron for being Tony Blair, and this was when Gordon Brown was in power too, so Nappy taking a interest in politics and you not agreeing with him is much better than him being some small minded idiot knowing nothing about the world he lives in.

[jonesthecurl]

and still only 16....


I wonder what Nappy's Dad/Mum/Grandparents/Gaurdian (whatever the situation is) has been vomiting down his ear his whole life... There is a fine line between the nationalism of loving ones country and the nationalism of hating everything else that is different.

So what? It is better than not knowing nothing about politics at all like many teenagers do today and that's a fact, many teenagers in this country don't even know who the priminister is, they even mistaked David Cameron for being Tony Blair, and this was when Gordon Brown was in power too, so Nappy taking a interest in politics and you not agreeing with him is much better than him being some small minded idiot knowing nothing about the world he lives in.

There's a difference between Blair and Cameron?
What is it, they have different fingerprints?

[Napoleon Ier]

and still only 16....


I wonder what Nappy's Dad/Mum/Grandparents/Gaurdian (whatever the situation is) has been vomiting down his ear his whole life... There is a fine line between the nationalism of loving ones country and the nationalism of hating everything else that is different.

So what? It is better than not knowing nothing about politics at all like many teenagers do today and that's a fact, many teenagers in this country don't even know who the priminister is, they even mistaked David Cameron for being Tony Blair, and this was when Gordon Brown was in power too, so Nappy taking a interest in politics and you not agreeing with him is much better than him being some small minded idiot knowing nothing about the world he lives in.

Huh... that's funny, there's this Australian kid I've heard of called Jake-something-or-rather who pretty much fits that description...

[radiojake]

and still only 16....


I wonder what Nappy's Dad/Mum/Grandparents/Gaurdian (whatever the situation is) has been vomiting down his ear his whole life... There is a fine line between the nationalism of loving ones country and the nationalism of hating everything else that is different.

So what? It is better than not knowing nothing about politics at all like many teenagers do today and that's a fact, many teenagers in this country don't even know who the priminister is, they even mistaked David Cameron for being Tony Blair, and this was when Gordon Brown was in power too, so Nappy taking a interest in politics and you not agreeing with him is much better than him being some small minded idiot knowing nothing about the world he lives in.

I agree with you, brooksie. Politics is for everyone, not just politicians (despite what spineless atheletes spit out when asked why they are still going ahead with a Zimbabwean Cricket tour..) and I wish I was interested in politics when I was 16 (unfortunatly, it didn't interest me at the time) - My point earlier is that Nappy's politics seem quite dangerous, considering how young he is, and how agressive he seems to be. That's what I have a problem with.

some small minded idiot knowing nothing about the world he lives in.

Huh... that's funny, there's this Australian kid I've heard of called Jake-something-or-rather who pretty much fits that description...

Come on Nappy.. you're not even trying anymore.

[Napoleon Ier]

and still only 16....


I wonder what Nappy's Dad/Mum/Grandparents/Gaurdian (whatever the situation is) has been vomiting down his ear his whole life... There is a fine line between the nationalism of loving ones country and the nationalism of hating everything else that is different.

So what? It is better than not knowing nothing about politics at all like many teenagers do today and that's a fact, many teenagers in this country don't even know who the priminister is, they even mistaked David Cameron for being Tony Blair, and this was when Gordon Brown was in power too, so Nappy taking a interest in politics and you not agreeing with him is much better than him being some small minded idiot knowing nothing about the world he lives in.

I agree with you, brooksie. Politics is for everyone, not just politicians (despite what spineless atheletes spit out when asked why they are still going ahead with a Zimbabwean Cricket tour..) and I wish I was interested in politics when I was 16 (unfortunatly, it didn't interest me at the time) - My point earlier is that Nappy's politics seem quite dangerous, considering how young he is, and how agressive he seems to be. That's what I have a problem with.

I'm sorry, but, err, what? My politics are dangerous?

I'm sorry, but don't you want to ban private property and make us all live in communes where we bathe once a month and interbreed with ethnic people at random intervals?

[radiojake]

I'm sorry, but don't you want to ban private property and make us all live in communes where we bathe once a month and interbreed with ethnic people at random intervals?

Well actually, I'm against breeding of all types, as i think we're too overpopulated as it is, so i doubt i would have ever said anything about having to 'interbreed', as you disgustingly call it.

I only shower when I have to work, my days off are shower free. I don't see how anything you have just said about me could be considered dangerous, when comparing to your patriotic, xenophobic diatribe where you consider skin colour in defining 'sub-humans' - At one point in this thread (or maybe another) you started complaing about Muslims coming to your country and not wanting Christmas trees in the city square. Sounds like you guys came off lightly when you think of all the African tribes that were converted to Catholiscism when the French thought it was ok to invade other countries. It's funny how you kick up a stink we're you're on the recieving end.

[Napoleon Ier]

I qualified the Taliban as sub-human, and Islam as evil. I've never applied the comment to any racial group, and I challenge you to find evidence to the contrary.

As for French colonialism, let's not forget we brought them sewage, roads, ports and schools. Positive things... yes, there were mistakes made, but it is simply natural for a dominant culture to assume the position of adminstrator until it has civilized the lesser people. We did not force them to accept any beliefs, we converted them through the use of missionaries, not bayonets.

We cannot expect the rules and laws that apply to civilized society to be applied all at once to savages. Yes, there are moral laws, which were at times violated, but overall, Colonialism as a doctrine is justified, as was it's application during the Empire, even if occasional abuses occurred.

What is unacceptable is the destruction of our culture by mindless barbarians, and prostration before their every demand by our balless leaders.

[brooksieb]

Well actually, I'm against breeding of all types, as i think we're too overpopulated as it is.

QFT!, i can't stress the importance of overbreeding, especially in developing countries where they have 6 children and expect us to donate to them, and alot of them would be malnourashed as it is, as for the rest i'm not getting involved in, though i have my opinions about it which i'm guessing alot of people on here would actively disagree.

[radiojake]

Well actually, I'm against breeding of all types, as i think we're too overpopulated as it is.

QFT!, i can't stress the importance of overbreeding, especially in developing countries where they have 6 children and expect us to donate to them, and alot of them would be malnourashed as it is, as for the rest i'm not getting involved in, though i have my opinions about it which i'm guessing alot of people on here would actively disagree.

On a side note, there is actually no such thing as 'developing' countries. Undeveloped countries are not on a path towards development, they are infact the result of developed '1st world' countries. Undevelopment is a direct result of the first worlds constant pillaging from the third world. Civilisation and cities are by definition unsustainable. (no city in the world can produce enough food and water to feed all of its people) so they need to take (or import, as it's called) food and resources from poorer countries.

Also donations and aid relief will never help fix the problems in third world countries, it only serves to perpetuate the cycle of debt and poverty because it never deals with the problem of why these countries are in poverty in the first place - quite a few years ago i used to donate to one of those charities quite regularly, thinking it was doing good (or atleast serving to ease some of my white-male-privillege-guilt that i have) but realised a while ago that it doesn't do jack shit so i stopped it. In most cases, third world countries do have enough resources and food to feed and look after their population - but the first world continual quest for growth and expansion (the very essence of capitalism) robs them of any chance to even try to eek out a humble existence.

Perfect example in history that is well known is the Irish potato famine. Despite the massive drop in potato crops during those years, there was still enough to feed the Irish population, but the English still persisted on taking their 'quota' - and that's what sent the Irish into starvation.

It happens over, and over again - First world (economic) tyranny over the third

[Snorri1234]

I qualified the Taliban as sub-human, and Islam as evil. I've never applied the comment to any racial group, and I challenge you to find evidence to the contrary.

As for French colonialism, let's not forget we brought them sewage, roads, ports and schools. Positive things... yes, there were mistakes made, but it is simply natural for a dominant culture to assume the position of adminstrator until it has civilized the lesser people. We did not force them to accept any beliefs, we converted them through the use of missionaries, not bayonets.

We cannot expect the rules and laws that apply to civilized society to be applied all at once to savages. Yes, there are moral laws, which were at times violated, but overall, Colonialism as a doctrine is justified, as was it's application during the Empire, even if occasional abuses occurred.

What is unacceptable is the destruction of our culture by mindless barbarians, and prostration before their every demand by our balless leaders.

I fucking love the fact that you're talking about how colonialism was a good thing with just a few minor bad things.

[Napoleon Ier]

I just fucking love colonialism.

[Backglass]

Do they keep the white flags in their back pockets or just use their shirts?

[Napoleon Ier]

Do they keep the white flags in their back pockets or just use their shirts?

You don't need a white flag to go oppress some black people.

[2dimes]

Symmetry did.

So Merry Christmas to him where ever he is.