Kokunai wrote:Houston what evidence do you have that says the Christian belief is fairy tale and not fact? Perhaps you should start a thread in off topic I will join you in there start with your evidence that is is fairy tales then I will post my evidence it is at least historically founded and divinely inspired...You will then be able to leap in joy as you destroy it as faith over and over agan we could keep it up for months perhaps years and others will forever be able to watch as you belittle somthing you do not understand. What do you say?
Edit... You might even learn something.
This is a fairly standard response from Christians in "defense" of their belief system. Namely, they ask you, the non-believer to prove that they are wrong. Of course, such an argument ignores two important things--first, that there is no way to prove that something does NOT exist (especially in this context) and, second, that the person who is claiming that (a) God exists, (b) Jesus is the son of God, and (c) that the Bible is divine word carries the burden of proof for each of those.
Think of it this way: A person comes up to you and says that they can fly. Because this is suspect under any rational scrutiny, you don't believe them. Now, it's not your burden to prove that they can't fly, for the only way to do that is to have them prove that they can. That is, proving the non-existence necessarily requires the other party proving the existence.
So, here's an idea. YOU, Kokunai, start a thread wherein you delineate your proof for any of the above three points. Let's stick to logical rules here, however. Which means that you can't use the Bible to prove the existence of God or Jesus unless, first, you can use something else to prove that the Bible is the Word of God. Since proving that something is the Word of God requires that you first prove the existence of God, I imagine your proof should run something along the lines of "God exists because_____, the Bible is his word because _________, Jesus is God's son because of A + B." See, I even made it easy for you. Just go ahead and fill in those blanks. (Also, please remember that you can't use the Bible to prove its own validity any more than I can use Moby Dick to prove the existence of Captain Ahab and a great white whale.)
Side note: You claim that you can prove to me how the bible or the religion or whatever is divinely inspired. Because this necessarily requires you to prove the existence of divinity, knock yourself out. Then do us all a favor and answer the following: 1. Do you believe in the story of Noah's Ark? If so, how do you account for a complete lack of such a flood in the fossil record. 2. Do you believe that dinosaurs roamed the Earth? If not, how do you account for the bones? If so, how do you explain the inconsistency between when the dinosaurs lived and the dates the Bible gives for the universe's age? 3. Do you acknowledge the difference between a scientific theory (evolution) and a blind adherence to faith (creation)? If so, how does that jive with the rest of your religion? If not, how can you chastise someone for not believing in something as esoteric as faith when you refuse to believe in something grounded in concrete science?
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