Tammy DeLee and Poisonous86 [Noted]

[Woodruff]

Accused:

Tammy DeLee
Poisonous86


The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis or Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 3000498
Game 3010402
Game 3086246
Game 3258686
Game 3572124
Game 3572128
Game 3576479
Game 3744389
Game 3744410
Game 3987682
Game 3997498
Game 3997502


Comments: These two play a lot of doubles and triples games - I am ignoring those completely. In the standard games that they play together, these two win an excruciatingly high number of them. They also play a lot of games with a wrexham, who NEVER WINS (so I suppose he should be looked into also, now that I think about it). Their interesting relationship came to my awareness due to game number 3997498 (which is listed above), in which these two and myself are the last three alive. I'm posting this while the game is most certainly in doubt, so this is not a case of sour grapes. However, the actions of both seem to be very odd not only in this game, but in those listed above.

[Kotaro]

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HAHAHA
That was me LOLing at Tammy, wrex, and Poison, all monster Feudal War players, being accused of all being multis and conducting secret diplomacy.

The reason it's always one of those two winning is, uh, because they're good, and the other players are crap.

[Woodruff]

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HAHAHA
That was me LOLing at Tammy, wrex, and Poison, all monster Feudal War players, being accused of all being multis and conducting secret diplomacy.
The reason it's always one of those two winning is, uh, because they're good, and the other players are crap.

That may well be the case. I've certainly not got anything against them. However, there is strong evidence, in my opinion, of them "playing against others instead of each other when the situation doesn't warrant it". I've never played against either of them previously, but if they are doing that (even without specifically discussing it), then that qualifies as "secret diplomacy". And their massive winning percentage in their games together does suggest that. If the mods disagree, then I'm ok with that.

[Kotaro]

Strong evidence that yes, they do indeed play a lot.

And did you even look at the games? One of them, Poisonous86 accused Tammy DeLee of cheating in one of them. Another, the game was obviously a fluke win because of a stupid player.

I'll edit in more thorough "lolevidence" later, but you obviously did no research. This is a case of, you lost to one of them, got pissed, used game search, said "omg they play a lot", and posted it. Next time, come with an actual reason, other than just being pissy over a game loss.

[Woodruff]

Strong evidence that yes, they do indeed play a lot.
And did you even look at the games? One of them, Poisonous86 accused Tammy DeLee of cheating in one of them. Another, the game was obviously a fluke win because of a stupid player.
I'll edit in more thorough "lolevidence" later, but you obviously did no research. This is a case of, you lost to one of them, got pissed, used game search, said "omg they play a lot", and posted it. Next time, come with an actual reason, other than just being pissy over a game loss.

I'm sorry that you're too stupid to even be able to read my initial post, but no...I have not lost to either of them. In fact, our current game is very much in doubt.

So, is this just your usual ass-act (which you do so well) or did you have a real point?

[sailorseal]

Strong evidence that yes, they do indeed play a lot.
And did you even look at the games? One of them, Poisonous86 accused Tammy DeLee of cheating in one of them. Another, the game was obviously a fluke win because of a stupid player.
I'll edit in more thorough "lolevidence" later, but you obviously did no research. This is a case of, you lost to one of them, got pissed, used game search, said "omg they play a lot", and posted it. Next time, come with an actual reason, other than just being pissy over a game loss.

I'm sorry that you're too stupid to even be able to read my initial post, but no...I have not lost to either of them. In fact, our current game is very much in doubt.

So, is this just your usual ass-act (which you do so well) or did you have a real point?

Guys let just be nice until a mod changes this to [CLEARED]

[Kotaro]

I'm sorry that you're too stupid to even be able to read my initial post, but no...I have not lost to either of them. In fact, our current game is very much in doubt.

So, is this just your usual ass-act (which you do so well) or did you have a real point?

Yes, i read your first post. Funny how you're the one who wrote this up, and I'm the stupid one. So, I'll ask you again; did you even bother to look at any of these games?

Game 3000498

Poison goes on a HUGE rant about how Tammy and another player are cheating with each other. Funny, how someone would complain about cheating, if they were cheating?

Game 3010402

Tammy is eliminated before the game is decided for either of them. If they're cheating to make each other win, why would they make it uncertain by letting Poison eliminate Tammy before Yellow?

Game 3086246

How can Tammy have cheated with a guy who was eliminated 2nd?

Game 3258686

Tammy gone first

Game 3572124

2008-11-01 19:51:58 - Tammy DeLee: whats the world coming to when the tombstones can't attack each other!

Just thought that was funny and needed quoting

Game 3997502

Tammy gone 3rd; don't know why blue would eliminate if he was on the verge of losing. MUST BE SECRET DIPLOMACY EH? Or just he sucks.

Game 3572128

2008-11-04 17:32:35 - Tammy DeLee: your attacking me from the witch huih?
2008-11-04 17:32:41 - Tammy DeLee: no fair!
2008-11-04 17:32:56 - Tammy DeLee: your supposed to tell us these things lol

Game 3576479

again, bathroom drama

Game 3744389

Honestly, shocked Fatharry lost. He must be losing his touch

Game 3744410

Tammy gone first. Funny, how Tammy and Poison seem to be helping each other from the grave.

Game 3987682

If you'd bothered to read the chat log, you'd notice that Poison is teaching them both here. Hmm, how crazy, to think brand new people to a map, being taught by a friend, would possibly lose to someone who seems to know it. MUST BE SECRET DIPLOMACY

Game 3997498

And we get to the root of the matter. Red's about to beat your ass, and Tammy refuses to Alliance, as it's against her personal policy in EVERY game. So you're going to lose to red, because Tammy won't bend to your will.

They also play a lot of games with a wrexham, who NEVER WINS (so I suppose he should be looked into also, now that I think about it)

Nope, he just sucks

I'm posting this while the game is most certainly in doubt, so this is not a case of sour grapes.

No doubt, you're going to lose. You're stuck between powerhouse Poison, and constantly building Tammy, and you're pissed Tammy won't help you by smashing him/her-self into Poison and give you a chance.

Hilarious really. haha, all your games posted as "evidence" are pretty shitty evidence.

[king sam]

I'm posting this while the game is most certainly in doubt, so this is not a case of sour grapes.

No doubt, you're going to lose. You're stuck between powerhouse Poison, and constantly building Tammy, and you're pissed Tammy won't help you by smashing him/her-self into Poison and give you a chance.

Hilarious really. haha, all your games posted as "evidence" are pretty shitty evidence.

Owned

[LFAW]

The True Conqueror of CC will never cheat, nor will Poisonous86

[Woodruff]

I'm posting this while the game is most certainly in doubt, so this is not a case of sour grapes.

No doubt, you're going to lose. You're stuck between powerhouse Poison, and constantly building Tammy, and you're pissed Tammy won't help you by smashing him/her-self into Poison and give you a chance.
Hilarious really. haha, all your games posted as "evidence" are pretty shitty evidence.

Owned

Not really...all Kotaro is showing is that he's biased. I'm not "stuck between Poisonous86 and Tammy DeLee at all. In fact, I am off to the side. Poisonous86 has actually had BETTER access to attack Tammy than I, given the positions...yet he has completely bypassed her and not attacked at all. Meanwhile, Tammy has simply built up on my border with her and completely ignored Poisonous. Neither one is making any attempt at all against the other, even to border protect much. I am the focus of both (my border, in Tammy's case, as she is not actively attacking me either).

[Woodruff]

The True Conqueror of CC will never cheat, nor will Poisonous86

Of course not! After all...rank makes right.

Look, I have nothing at all against Poisonous86 or Tammy DeLee. They both have been friendly to me in our game and in fact, I have invited Poisonous86 into one of my tournaments, because it looked like he liked that style of game. But I do firmly believe their activities warrant a closer look.

[Kotaro]

Not really...all Kotaro is showing is that he's biased. I'm not "stuck between Poisonous86 and Tammy DeLee at all. In fact, I am off to the side. Poisonous86 has actually had BETTER access to attack Tammy than I, given the positions...yet he has completely bypassed her and not attacked at all. Meanwhile, Tammy has simply built up on my border with her and completely ignored Poisonous. Neither one is making any attempt at all against the other, even to border protect much. I am the focus of both (my border, in Tammy's case, as she is not actively attacking me either).

No, what I have done, is make you look like a complete fool. You claim they are conducting secret alliance, and than, the evidence you provide has them fighting in Game Chat about the each other conducting secret alliances. And the rest, are either games where they're defeated long before the final outcome, or completely clean-cut looking games. Next time you want to accuse someone, you might try something other than "big old tammy and meanie Poison play a lot of games together", because, guess what, a lot of people play games with opponents that aren't shit as many times as possible. It's called competition.

[Woodruff]

Not really...all Kotaro is showing is that he's biased. I'm not "stuck between Poisonous86 and Tammy DeLee at all. In fact, I am off to the side. Poisonous86 has actually had BETTER access to attack Tammy than I, given the positions...yet he has completely bypassed her and not attacked at all. Meanwhile, Tammy has simply built up on my border with her and completely ignored Poisonous. Neither one is making any attempt at all against the other, even to border protect much. I am the focus of both (my border, in Tammy's case, as she is not actively attacking me either).

No, what I have done, is make you look like a complete fool.

You've done nothing of the sort.

You claim they are conducting secret alliance, and than, the evidence you provide has them fighting in Game Chat about the each other conducting secret alliances.

This is entirely irrelevant, as their arguing about secret alliances in one game would not preclude their doing so in other games.

And the rest, are either games where they're defeated long before the final outcome, or completely clean-cut looking games. Next time you want to accuse someone, you might try something other than "big old tammy and meanie Poison play a lot of games together", because, guess what, a lot of people play games with opponents that aren't shit as many times as possible. It's called competition.

Look Kotard...I've made my case, and you've made yours. I'm perfectly happy allowing one of the moderators to look at this and make their judgement (which I will accept). I'd suggest you do the same. Their far more likely to not be nearly as biased as either you or I are.

[DAT_WAT_SHE_SAID]

Yo woodruff, tammy doesnt cheat--shes just better then you so get over it

[Woodruff]

Yo woodruff, tammy doesnt cheat--shes just better then you so get over it

Thank you for your informative and eminently useful addition to this thread. I don't know what we'd have done without you.

[Kotaro]

Look Kotard...I've made my case, and you've made yours. I'm perfectly happy allowing one of the moderators to look at this and make their judgement (which I will accept). I'd suggest you do the same. Their far more likely to not be nearly as biased as either you or I are.

Look, Woodfuckface (hey see, I can purposely misspell names for the use of flames too!), I've made you look like an idiot, so stop making bitchy posts. Why would they fight about secret diplomacy, drawing attention to each other, if they didn't want to be caught? Why would Poison make a thread about it (supposedly)? So that the moderators could check through that game and see theirs? Apparently, you're not only accusing them of being biased towards each other, but stupid as well.

Again, your evidence for "Secret Diplomacy", consisted of shit. Your entire accusation is solely based one game, because the after 12 or so you posted don't look to mean shit. Maybe you should learn what "BE SURE BEFORE YOU ACCUSE" means in the template given when making a thread.

[Woodruff]

Look Kotard...I've made my case, and you've made yours. I'm perfectly happy allowing one of the moderators to look at this and make their judgement (which I will accept). I'd suggest you do the same. Their far more likely to not be nearly as biased as either you or I are.

Look, Woodfuckface (hey see, I can purposely misspell names for the use of flames too!)

Excuse you? Oh, I see...in all sincerity, that was NOT intentional on my part. I apologize right here and now in front of everyone for that, because it was not meant that way. It was an honest typo, whether you want to believe it or not.

I've made you look like an idiot, so stop making bitchy posts. Why would they fight about secret diplomacy, drawing attention to each other, if they didn't want to be caught? Why would Poison make a thread about it (supposedly)? So that the moderators could check through that game and see theirs? Apparently, you're not only accusing them of being biased towards each other, but stupid as well.
Again, your evidence for "Secret Diplomacy", consisted of shit. Your entire accusation is solely based one game, because the after 12 or so you posted don't look to mean shit. Maybe you should learn what "BE SURE BEFORE YOU ACCUSE" means in the template given when making a thread.

So unlike me, you're NOT willing to just let the moderators handle it. You seem to be awfully wrapped up in this in a personal way, Kotaro...very odd. It's enough to make one wonder WHY you'd be so concerned...

[king sam]

So unlike me, you're NOT willing to just let the moderators handle it. You seem to be awfully wrapped up in this in a personal way, Kotaro...very odd. It's enough to make one wonder WHY you'd be so concerned...

Cause he made you look the Idiot you are

[a.sub]

Kotaro 1
Woodfuckface 0

[Kotaro]

Excuse you? Oh, I see...in all sincerity, that was NOT intentional on my part. I apologize right here and now in front of everyone for that, because it was not meant that way. It was an honest typo, whether you want to believe it or not.

I'm sure.

So unlike me, you're NOT willing to just let the moderators handle it. You seem to be awfully wrapped up in this in a personal way, Kotaro...very odd. It's enough to make one wonder WHY you'd be so concerned...

hahaha. You seem to think that anything said in this thread has any bearing on what the Multi-hunters will do. They'll investigate on their own. The reason I'm posting is because you obviously haven't read the template for making this thread., specifically:

Be sure before you accuse someone!

Your evidence: Fail.
Your reasoning: Equally Fail.

Yet you accuse two very known and respected Feudal War monster players of being multi's. And now that I've shown you the "folly of your ways", you're resorting to now putting me under suspicion. And all the while, you can't seem to put up a strong argument without flaming all the way through.

10/10 for LULZability.

a.sub, It's always "Kotaro: 1, Everyone else: 0"

[a.sub]

a.sub, It's always "Kotaro: 1, Everyone else: 0"

no its more like
Kotaro 1
A.Sub 10
Everyone else 0

[Woodruff]

Excuse you? Oh, I see...in all sincerity, that was NOT intentional on my part. I apologize right here and now in front of everyone for that, because it was not meant that way. It was an honest typo, whether you want to believe it or not.

I'm sure.

Just because you're not man enough to apologize when you screw up doesn't mean I'm not. The fact that I immediately apologized in public would tell a person of even limited intelligence that it was sincere. Oh, you make a good point.

So unlike me, you're NOT willing to just let the moderators handle it. You seem to be awfully wrapped up in this in a personal way, Kotaro...very odd. It's enough to make one wonder WHY you'd be so concerned...

hahaha. You seem to think that anything said in this thread has any bearing on what the Multi-hunters will do.

No, fortunately I recognize that the moderators are intelligent enough not to take anything you do seriously. For instance, your desire to hijack this thread with your incessant desire to pretend to be someone that has a valuable opinion.

Yet you accuse two very known and respected Feudal War monster players of being multi's. And now that I've shown you the "folly of your ways", you're resorting to now putting me under suspicion. And all the while, you can't seem to put up a strong argument without flaming all the way through.

Actually, you seem to be the one doing the flaming.

[Woodruff]

So unlike me, you're NOT willing to just let the moderators handle it. You seem to be awfully wrapped up in this in a personal way, Kotaro...very odd. It's enough to make one wonder WHY you'd be so concerned...

Cause he made you look the Idiot you are

That doesn't even make basic logical sense. If the two aren't doing anything wrong, then that's how the moderators will rule. It's as simple as that. If Kotaro has made me look like an idiot (which I disagree with you on), then his continuing to rant about it doesn't change that one iota. Kotaro's acting so concerned isn't because he made me look like an idiot, it's because he's an ass, plain and simple. In fact, his actions in this thread are an outstanding example of why people do not enjoy this site.

[sailorseal]

This is terrible, once again another thread is turned into flame wars!

I have created a suggestion to end this nonsense...

[Woodruff]

This is terrible, once again another thread is turned into flame wars!
I have created a suggestion to end this nonsense...

Thank you very much for your fine addition to this thread! It's high degree of relevance is very appreciated. I don't know how this thread could have carried forward without your input here.