[Abandoned] - Goblin Tribes

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:01 pm

Mod Note:Abandoned - If resurrected, gameplay must be checked again.

Map-Maker: Danyael
Map Title: Goblin Tribes
Continents: 4 tribal zones
Regions: 50 regions 8 start neutral(Chiefs and Gates)

Gameplay:
Features:
One Way Assaults
Double Dipping
Build Your Own Bonus systems
4 goblin tribes fighting to dominate the goblin grotto within the forest of faces
- tribes are the fangs, skulls, muds, and bloods

2 types of gates
start neutral (2)
- evil mine and dark portal
-same type connects
-hold all four for +4 bonus
-are not part of the tribe territs
4 chiefs territs
-chiefs start as 3 neutral
-marked with crown army indicator
-chiefs can bombard other chiefs and assault the territory there crown army number indicator sits in
-hold chief and receive +1 for every 3 of there tribal territories held
secret one way paths
Hobgoblin hut on fungi can one way myz's and bug's mushroom patches

Version 19

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CHANGES
changed wording in chief portion of legend

WORKING ON
improving gate legend
- Are the different colours for different types of gates improving clarity or not?
- Will be enlarging size of mine icon and blending both portal and mine icons better with the text.
- Are the colours used for the Evil Mine and Dark Portals ok??

TO DO
- Move MUD icons slightly lower on a few of the regions.
- Update Small Map

VERSION 18

Spoiler

Small

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Large

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W/888

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W/888 in colour

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Changes
-Added Chief names

Small
-enlarged boo around dark portal
-enlarged chief details in legend

TODO
names & icon nudges please help in pointing these out
XML

Starting territ amounts
2 and 3 players - 14 territories (14 neutrals in 2 player, none in 3 player)
4 players - 10 territories (2 neutrals)
5 players - 8 territories (2 neutrals)
6 players - 7 territories (no neutrals)
7 players - 6 territories (no neutrals)
8 players - 5 territories (2 neutrals)

Tribe Bonuses
fangs = 3
bloods = 5
skulls = 5
muds = 6
Gate Bonus
hold all = 4

Previous Versions

Spoiler

version 1 and original post

Spoiler

* like one of my favorite maps Berlin 1961 you only need to hold a portion of each tribe to obtain the tribe bonus
* with two types of ports that can attack each other of same type and they start as neutrals and are not part of and tribe bonus
*due to the fact that goblins are feisty jerks at times i wanted some territory to be able to bombard each other to cause annoyance especially
will cause a good time with multiple players

*thinking about having camps one for each tribe within a certain territory for auto deployment but need feed back on that

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wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:17 pm

This map sounds fun.
I like the idea. Can't wait for the second update.

thenobodies80 · Post by **thenobodies80** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:25 pm

The idea is not bad.
First of all: buy photoshop, if you can't, download GIMP.
You can't use paint or you'll find yourself in jam in few time.

Gameplay is interesting but as said i need a better map to have some suggestions for you.

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:45 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:Post by thenobodies80 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:25 pm
The idea is not bad.
First of all: buy photoshop, if you can't, download GIMP.

I have cs3 and working on a better map put i needed to post something for now to get my rear end in gear
but i'll check out gimp as well

bryguy · Post by **bryguy** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:29 am

Hmm... Love the idea, but this isn't what I believe a Goblin Tribe/Village would look like...

1) When I here "Goblin Tribes", I think of a more centralized, small area, with goblin huts, and in the midst of a deep dark forest, not on something like an island. Maybe make it more centralized, and instead of having water, have it a forest?

If you want a better idea of what I picture when I think of Goblin Tribes, I picture something more like this... http://forum.cartographersguild.com/att ... 1218157189 (<Map by Steel General over at the Cartographers Guild)

^The trees in it are perfect for a Goblin Tribe map, and when I think of the area where the goblins live, I think of the look of the light brown on in the pit. The villages and fire pits would be perfect for this type map, as well as the different buildings. If you could make it like that, then this map would be perfect.

2) Some territories can bombard other territories, but its not clear how. Catapults? Trebutchets (sp?)??

3) If you do go with a more "deep in the forest" look, then instead of bridges you could do something like the roads in that map I showed.

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:43 pm

bryguy wrote:Re: Goblin Tribes

Post by bryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:29 am
Hmm... Love the idea, but this isn't what I believe a Goblin Tribe/Village would look like...

1) When I here "Goblin Tribes", I think of a more centralized, small area, with goblin huts, and in the midst of a deep dark forest, not on something like an island. Maybe make it more centralized, and instead of having water,

as i worked on the map yesterday i thought the same thing goblins hate water, forests and caves is where you'd find so ports will be underground paths (evil mine & dark portal)

bryguy wrote:2) Some territories can bombard other territories, but its not clear how. Catapults? Trebutchets (sp?)??

Goblins a tricky creature i'm working on different art looks for catapults or slingshots in the ground

as well if anyone has idea about what i can use to make the outer black area look like a dense forest as well i'll be making the title in the top right corner and legend across the bottom

sailorseal · Post by **sailorseal** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Now you really need some graphics before this map can get anywhere. I say to start change the setting so the background of your text is clear. I kind of like the texture you have going but the border needs to be better and the written "G6" or G8" needs to change. If this is a real place make it a real place and if not make it special. Maybe use spell check

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:10 am

sailorseal wrote:Now you really need some graphics before this map can get anywhere. I say to start change the setting so the background of your text is clear. I kind of like the texture you have going but the border needs to be better and the written "G6" or G8" needs to change. If this is a real place make it a real place and if not make it special. Maybe use spell check

can't think of a real goblin forest and what did i misspell

miniwally · Post by **miniwally** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:16 am

the writing underneath mine and portal is hard to read

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:16 pm

i change font but still hard to see i'll check my layer setting

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:52 pm

Danyael wrote:
sailorseal wrote:If this is a real place make it a real place and if not make it special.
can't think of a real goblin forest...

I can't think of any real goblin places either... sailorseal - I really wish you'd THINK before posting!

As others have said, the map feels fun, although at the moment I think it looks a little bit (unnecessarily) cluttered.

You've made a promising start - keep up the good work

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:01 pm

MrBenn wrote:
As others have said, the map feels fun, although at the moment I think it looks a little bit (unnecessarily) cluttered.

You've made a promising start - keep up the good work

Thanks
and yes to too much clutter i've been back and fourth on ways to trim it down best to my ability
as i worked on the small version of the map i found a few ways that look good and my next update will show the difference
until then i'll keep to the grind

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:57 pm

here is the small map

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i try to refine the legends to keep clutter down but i need to know if the text is too small to read mainly on the gate legend
as well i know some of the text is distorted on the other legends i'm in the process of fixing it

and i added a bomb icon

ManBungalow · Post by **ManBungalow** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:03 pm

"+1 hold 3 bloods"
That sounds quite interesting

I like the idea of this map, but it comes across as too dark at a first glance. Obviously that is how it should be for an "evil map" but it might put me off of trying it straight away

Tisha · Post by **Tisha** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:53 pm

the size of the army circles need changed for the small. i like how the green land pops out at you, but then you look over at the yellow, and the borders are just hovering over the top of the land

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:45 pm

version 2.9 is up

ManBungalow wrote:Post by ManBungalow » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:03 pm
"+1 hold 3 bloods"

you think that bonus amount is suitable?

Tisha wrote: yellow, and the borders are just hovering over the top of the land

i changed the bloods(yellow) border does it still look floaty?

the.killing.44 · Post by **the.killing.44** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:50 pm

i think he was referring to the "Bloods" as the (in)famous gang everyone knows. this looks good for a start!

.44

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:43 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:i think he was referring to the "Bloods" as the (in)famous gang everyone knows. this looks good for a start!

.44

maybe i should ask them for copyright permisson

here is version three
large

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and small

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Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:16 pm

things that make you go umm

was tinkering with the textures a litte and came out with this does it make it worst or better

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as well i have a different title look does this look better
any suggestions would be nice

Joodoo · Post by **Joodoo** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:22 am

I think the background is too dark

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:23 pm

Joodoo wrote:I think the background is too dark

I've added some lights to the background to brighten it up

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this caused a few pixels to look bad but i am fixing those up

FarangDemon · Post by **FarangDemon** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:41 pm

I would add more, larger images of goblins. That would make it more fun. The more devious the better.

wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:31 pm

Nice map so far.
I like it.

Could you make the textures and borders on each continent more similar?
The borders on Muds look painted on and artistic. But the borders on Skulls seem really sharp and contrasting.
I think you should pick one style of borders and use that across the entire map so things work a bit better together.

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:59 pm

FarangDemon wrote:I would add more, larger images of goblins. That would make it more fun. The more devious the better.

i will make the goblins bigger for adding more not sure about that but i'll try a few things out

wcaclimbing wrote:Nice map so far.
I like it.

Could you make the textures and borders on each continent more similar?
The borders on Muds look painted on and artistic. But the borders on Skulls seem really sharp and contrasting.
I think you should pick one style of borders and use that across the entire map so things work a bit better together.

thanks for the compliments
yes i agree about the borders i'm currently working on making them all the more artistic look

Danyael · Post by **Danyael** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:52 pm

Update April 13th V3.5
Changes
Worked on mountains
Smoothed and deleted weird pixels
Redid borders so they all look most part similar (totally erased old and redid with 2px brush and gauss blured)
Rescaled goblin chiefs

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Things to discuss
Add More Goblins
should more in the way of goblins be added to map for game play suggested by farangdemon he wanted to see more goblins to make the map more fun i think this is a good idea but i don't want to added more chiefs so my thoughts are:
-add hobgoblin to four spots on map 1 per tribe i.e. 1 to Sqat, Myz, Fungi, and BiZ (maybe start as neutral +1 autodeploy)
-add goblin shaman to the aforementioned territs which allow you to attack other shaman

i dont want to busy up the map much more due to the fact it takes away from the art style of the textures
other ideas very welcomed I'm having quite the idea block on this

Borders
I have gone back and forth on the best way to make them look i think i have settled on this look still stylized but still pretty defined. with little variations depending on land textures.
my question is, is it well defined enough between different tribes or should i have a different look bordering different tribes and gates
- maybe use a 4px brush add inner glow

i.e.

does this look better for those borders?
any thoughts

edit:: added arrows on border example

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