World War 3

[happysadfun]

I say it's either going to be North Korea blowing up Seoul or Tokyo, or the destruction of the Dome of the Rock that will set off WWIII. I hope for many reasons that it's the destruction of the Dome of the Rock.

[areon]

Of course Iran is trying to aquire the bomb. They want to share the prestige that Pakistan, the only other Islamic nation to my knowledge, enjoys of having them. I would say that Pakistan's tensions with India are greater and yet they haven't used the bomb. It isn't fair to assume that Iran will use these weapons which aren't even going to be available for how long, estimates around 20 years until they have the final product? The anti-Israel is just a scapegoating to cover up their own human rights violations and other inequities; other than sponsoring terrorists what have they deliberately done against Israel?

China's history of collusion with North Korea hasn't been to support the North Koreans but to offset our influence in the area. We supported Kai-Shek and didn't acknowledge their nation status until Nixon. They didn't even help out the North Koreans until we had overrun their country and deliberately stopped their advance at the South Korean border. I think China might be the largest donor of aid to North Korea but they aren't pressuring Kim to help his people, their own people are being subjected to draconian standards. They aren't allies, just a political tool being used.

The cartoon's effect wasn't that drastic. Protests are happening all the time because Islam is on a decline. They feel a need to speak out openly, it is typical for the powerless to latch onto anything. In France the situation has more to do with them having no jobs, education, or training than it does with their religion. Your earlier post of Europeans being involved policing their own countries...they aren't immigrating to Europe as some grand scheme. When you have no standing in society it is easy to lash out in a group but this does not mean they support extremist views. Spain and the other nations didn't pull out of Iraq because of dissident populations. If they needed to NATO could still deploy its forces.

Sorry that I thought you were insinuating Iran was ready to start another mujahideen movement. But I don't see any other way for your arguments that Iran is ready to start a war. If it was serious, they wouldn't stop at nuking Israel. They would need to carry that kind of war out and I don't see their people wanting to do it.

[UCAbears]

i think it'll be a war to end most, if not all, wars....

Iran will nuke up, so will N. Korea......

the rest of the world will nuke up and BOOM!!!!


most cities are gone, and then, we rebuild.....

Well honestly I dont think it will happen because of the fear that people have that if we do hhave one it will end their lives as well as many others including the world... If korea sends off 5 nukes, iran with 5 nukes, us with 5 nukes, and russia with 5 nukes, thats 20 nukes wich is more then enough to raise the dust and give the world anothewr ice age...


so therefore I really dont think it will happen because of the nukes.

But I do think that middle east is going to go to war....with themselves

[happysadfun]

I felt Russia deserved it's own post.


Russia has been slowing moving back to it's communist past due to the economic strain of switching to democracy and they will without a doubt make it back there. They however are not friendly to the west, sure they put on a good show but they meet with the enemies of the West regularly and send them weapons and equipment to use against us they are major factor to destabilization in that region they refuse to let go of the fact that they were once a super power and are no longer though they are searching for that glory back again. They may attain it but it will be through war because re-establishing themselves into the old territory of the USSR will not do it. When the world does not recognise them as a super power they will go on the offensive to prove it if they do then Iran is on their list of allies.

China will side with them as they have nothing to lose from the destruction of the west nor the oil that Iran will undoubtedly supply them in the war effort. This is highly speculative but a very real possibility as Russia recently doubled military spending. They are developing technologies along the same line as us in ICBM interception, though we have pretty much dropped it thinking ICBMs unlikely delivery systems, they seem to think the threat is real. Hence the hike in spending to go towards researching those options. Russia is just as much a threat as Iran and N.Korea just not as obvious yet.

And its relations with ex-Soviet countries are thinning. It's in an natural gas dispute with Ukraine,
and a spying crisis with Georgia.
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[Genghis Khant]

Little fact about Citgo. Our military is actually contracted with them...all of our bases have citgo stations exclusively...Last year the profits to Venezuela were 10 billion. Their military spending last year...10 billion.

I like that, nice and neat.

you mocking my previous posting?

Not at all. I just like the way that Venezuela has got the US to provide their military budget.

[Heimdall]

Even the Experts say we are closer to WW3:

CNN Article

[qeee1]

Even the Experts say we are closer to WW3:

CNN Article

CNN, experts?

Joking...


So anyway what'll the sides be?

USA+most of Europe+Japan+Australia+Isreal vs. China+Iran+Russia+N.Korea+most of middle East+possibly south America?

[P Gizzle]

who knows bout China....they'll probably be sooooo invested with US jobs, they'll owe US...who knows

[qeee1]

Then again we'll probably all be nuked so fast we won't have time to pick sides.

[Caleb the Cruel]

There are two major predictions that kind of invlove warfare that I kind-of believe, but I won't fully believe unless they happen.
The first prediction is the Explosions of 2007 & 2008.
The second prediction is the War of 2036.

[Serbia]

There are two major predictions that kind of invlove warfare that I kind-of believe, but I won't fully believe unless they happen.
The first prediction is the Explosions of 2007 & 2008.
The second prediction is the War of 2036.

Can you tell us about these predictions? Such as details, and who's doing the predicting?

[strike wolf]

Then again we'll probably all be nuked so fast we won't have time to pick sides.

Truth is no one is ever going to actually use nukes in war

Edit: no one has the balls to use em because they know what it meands..

I sincerely believe that nukes will never be used on a large-scale level. I can see remote fractions of terrorists using them but for the most part, people seem to know what a nuclear war would mean and therefore don't have the guts to go through with any.

[vtmarik]

Jesus has stated: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

What if he has been baptized, but doesn't follow traditional doctrine?

[Heimdall]

Jesus has stated: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Daivd Koresh Stated: ""If the Bible is true, then I'm Christ."

[Kokunai]

Of course Iran is trying to aquire the bomb. They want to share the prestige that Pakistan, the only other Islamic nation to my knowledge, enjoys of having them. I would say that Pakistan's tensions with India are greater and yet they haven't used the bomb. It isn't fair to assume that Iran will use these weapons which aren't even going to be available for how long, estimates around 20 years until they have the final product? The anti-Israel is just a scapegoating to cover up their own human rights violations and other inequities; other than sponsoring terrorists what have they deliberately done against Israel?

China's history of collusion with North Korea hasn't been to support the North Koreans but to offset our influence in the area. We supported Kai-Shek and didn't acknowledge their nation status until Nixon. They didn't even help out the North Koreans until we had overrun their country and deliberately stopped their advance at the South Korean border. I think China might be the largest donor of aid to North Korea but they aren't pressuring Kim to help his people, their own people are being subjected to draconian standards. They aren't allies, just a political tool being used.

The cartoon's effect wasn't that drastic. Protests are happening all the time because Islam is on a decline. They feel a need to speak out openly, it is typical for the powerless to latch onto anything. In France the situation has more to do with them having no jobs, education, or training than it does with their religion. Your earlier post of Europeans being involved policing their own countries...they aren't immigrating to Europe as some grand scheme. When you have no standing in society it is easy to lash out in a group but this does not mean they support extremist views. Spain and the other nations didn't pull out of Iraq because of dissident populations. If they needed to NATO could still deploy its forces.

Sorry that I thought you were insinuating Iran was ready to start another mujahideen movement. But I don't see any other way for your arguments that Iran is ready to start a war. If it was serious, they wouldn't stop at nuking Israel. They would need to carry that kind of war out and I don't see their people wanting to do it.

I agree with most of this as the world stands at this moment. But, my scenario relies on the Israel making a strike at Iran which will galvanize the Iranian people against us. The cartons showed just what little it takes to arouse the anger of the Muslim population centers, you underestimate their fervor. China will side with N.Korea for it's own gains no doubt about that. The railing against Israel is nothing new in that region it has been going on since ancient times they hate them plain and simple all in the region do. If I am wrong name me a single empire or country that has ruled in that region that has been friendly to Israel. They do want the destruction of Israel even their people do to a certain extent.

[Kokunai]

There are two major predictions that kind of invlove warfare that I kind-of believe, but I won't fully believe unless they happen.
The first prediction is the Explosions of 2007 & 2008.
The second prediction is the War of 2036.

I would like to just know your source then I will tear apart the argument cause I can guess your source.

[Kokunai]

Jesus has stated: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

What if he has been baptized, but doesn't follow traditional doctrine?

start a new thread if you want to talk religion.

[Bertros Bertros]

But, my scenario relies on the Israel making a strike at Iran which will galvanize the Iranian people against us

What makes you think Israel would actually strike Iran? They may well be the aggressors, depending on your viewpoint, in their wars with their smaller neighbours but the threats to Iran seem to me to be mainly posturing, it was over a year ago that Sharon set a deadline of March 2005 for Iran to stop nuclear enrichment before Israel attacked, and as of yet there has been no action.

China will side with N.Korea for it's own gains no doubt about that.

No doubt in your mind maybe but I wouldn't be so sure thats the case for the politicians in Beijing. Having a stable neighbour who is not flooding their country with refugees and assists in keeping America from being the dominant military power in their region, which to be fair seems a reasonable expectation considering it's their region, is one thing. Siding with North Korea in a war with the rest of the world is quite another. China hardly supports North koreas military progress as was evident from the public wrist slapping they recieved over the nuclear tests last year. China looks for stability and avoidance of war in their relationship with Pyongpang, not for an ally in a global showdown.

So anyway what'll the sides be?

USA+most of Europe+Japan+Australia+Isreal vs. China+Iran+Russia+N.Korea+most of middle East+possibly south America?

War doesn't work like that. WWII spread across half the globe but there wasn't two sides. There were many, with lots of subtle and ever changing relationships between them. China has no interest in fighting alongside Iran, sure 10 years ago Chinese companies may have been involved in Iranian weapons programmes to make a quick buck, but that is far different from shouldering arms together.

Sadly the most likely perpetrators of WWIII, though personally I think it will not happen in the way it is meant in this thread, will come from the West, not the East. Fervour is not a characteristic limited to muslims, just look at the strength of feeling exhibited on other threads here regarding the execution of Saddam for an example of the fervour within.

And on a lighter note...

There are two major predictions that kind of invlove warfare that I kind-of believe, but I won't fully believe unless they happen.

Thats marvellous. I kind of believe in lots of kind of things but wont fully believe in them unless they kind of happen. Remember though, he who does not believe will be condemned so, better safe than sorry

[Kokunai]

China pretends to support the West in N. Korea, but they have a disdain for the west due to humiliations that run deep with it's people. They would no doubt if not militarily but economically support N.Korea and Iran. I do not know if it will military and have said that already. But they will support them.

Israel is wanting to see how the West is gonna handle Iran before making their final decision but they will do the same they did against Iraq if for no other reason than history has a way of repeating itself we will not dissuade her if she decides to do it. And, most of the West and the East for that matter will condemn the actions just as China condemned N.Korea's "Nuke" test. The region will ignite over it and we already have forces there who will likely feel the sting of this and we will respond alongside probably Israel and Britain but to say that China is not going to arm up for it is ludicrous they will. How they will support them is a different issue all together.

N. Korea granted they see the nuclearization as a means to gain respect but Iran see it as a way to cause global chaos. If we, and Israel allow that to happen then the region will be massively destabalized causing an influx of UN and US forces for peacekeeping which will unite the people against the West, despite their fears of Iran.

Understand, this is a very real possibility but it also one of many very real possibilities. As I said before the results are classified but what little has spilled over we have learned that there are plenty of really scary outcomes of the wargaming that has taken place none of them have shown a good outcome of a nuclearized Iran nor an airstrike by Israel against Iran. All outcomes have been bad and the world will be divided about what to do there will likely be three sides Europe in a Neutral or Economic role on one side, US and allies in a Military role, and Iran and allies in a military role. Iran has been itching to consolidate the Middle East for at least a few centuries. Russia is a wild card as is China. If they both side the same it spells trouble for the other side and it seems they side more with Iran than they do the US. Russia wants it's old boundaries back and China wants respect in the world again. Russia is losing her's, and China is gaining her's due to economic growth and her recent policies concerning the West which is why they are still wildcards it is unsure if they will see a conflict as a means to putting themselves center stage again.

[strike wolf]

Maybe China does hate the US, but if they help destroy us, who will they have to buy out in the future?

[Serbia]

What makes you think Israel would actually strike Iran? They may well be the aggressors, depending on your viewpoint, in their wars with their smaller neighbours but the threats to Iran seem to me to be mainly posturing, it was over a year ago that Sharon set a deadline of March 2005 for Iran to stop nuclear enrichment before Israel attacked, and as of yet there has been no action.

Israel attacked Iraq when they built a reactor in the 80's. Sharon had health problems (stroke if I remember correctly) and is either dead or in a coma, I forget which, and don't have the time to look it up, anyway, he isn't in power, and the new leadership isn't as hawkish. But why I'm really posting is how you refer to Israel's "smaller" neighbours. When Israel was created, they were instantly attacked by Syria, Jordan, Saudi, Egypt, and Iraq, all MUCH larger. The six-day war, Israel pre-emptively struck Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Yom Kippur war saw Syria and Egypt invade witout warning, and nearly succeeded in over-running the country. Only Lebanon is smaller than Israel in the area (the Palestinians really don't count, they don't have a true army, just terror groups). So don't make the mistake of thinking big Israel goes around bullying smaller Arab neighbours, it's the exact opposite.

[Bertros Bertros]

What makes you think Israel would actually strike Iran? They may well be the aggressors, depending on your viewpoint, in their wars with their smaller neighbours but the threats to Iran seem to me to be mainly posturing, it was over a year ago that Sharon set a deadline of March 2005 for Iran to stop nuclear enrichment before Israel attacked, and as of yet there has been no action.

Israel attacked Iraq when they built a reactor in the 80's. Sharon had health problems (stroke if I remember correctly) and is either dead or in a coma, I forget which, and don't have the time to look it up, anyway, he isn't in power, and the new leadership isn't as hawkish. But why I'm really posting is how you refer to Israel's "smaller" neighbours. When Israel was created, they were instantly attacked by Syria, Jordan, Saudi, Egypt, and Iraq, all MUCH larger. The six-day war, Israel pre-emptively struck Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Yom Kippur war saw Syria and Egypt invade witout warning, and nearly succeeded in over-running the country. Only Lebanon is smaller than Israel in the area (the Palestinians really don't count, they don't have a true army, just terror groups). So don't make the mistake of thinking big Israel goes around bullying smaller Arab neighbours, it's the exact opposite.

Yes you are right to pull me up in this instance, if I'm honest it was intended to be inflammatory rather than accurate, and I'm not proud of that.

I don't really want to get in to a debate about the Israeli situation not least because I've already been admonished by Kokunai for straying off topic in this thread once already! Suffice to say I think all sides are in the wrong in some way or another.

That being said, I still think it unlikely Israel will launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran. I may very well be wrong but I fail to see what Israel really stands to gain from it. My guess would be the benfactors of that would be the US so if Israel do pull the trigger I suspect it will be at the Pentagon's insistence.

[heavycola]

"Well, the whole thing started at 3 o'clock fast,
It was all over by quarter past.
I was down in the sewer with some little lover
When I peeked out from a manhole cover
Wondering who turned the lights on.

Well, I got up and walked around
And up and down the lonesome town.
I stood a-wondering which way to go,
I lit a cigarette on a parking meter
And walked on down the road.
It was a normal day."

[Anarchist]

The Great War started in 2004
by 2012 well know how big its really going to be

WWIII, i say 5 years.

as for everything refering to America-It is the most corrupt country in the world. Europe i fear is following in americas footsteps.Midddle East has enough hate to push the big red button.Too bad Australia has that weak ozone layer else they may be the ones to avoid it. Global warming, Islands will be gone in 50 years. new Ice Age begins.
Russia is the key

i say party like theres no tomorrow,cause damn it if there is.
Id rather spend my dieing moment in a lovers arms then in a trench.
yes we will survive,but all civilisation ruined.free at last.
may 2012 go off with a BANG

[Anarchist]

"Well, the whole thing started at 3 o'clock fast,
It was all over by quarter past.
I was down in the sewer with some little lover
When I peeked out from a manhole cover
Wondering who turned the lights on.

Well, I got up and walked around
And up and down the lonesome town.
I stood a-wondering which way to go,
I lit a cigarette on a parking meter
And walked on down the road.
It was a normal day."

I like that, you write it?