Glenn Beck, LOL

[GabonX]

Actually, GabonX, let's get serious for a minute...

Were you personally affected by 9/11? Please be honest in your answer.

Because, to be perfectly honest, I seriously cannot hide the rage I feel towards people who try to build their careers on an event they DON'T KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT.

Glenn Beck, that sanctimonious pussy, knows NOTHING OF THAT DAY. And yes, I'm a bit drunk right now, and probably shouldn't be posting, but honestly, f*ck that hypocritical waste of egg and sperm.

Let him experience what happened that day, and then see what he has to fucking say, the cunt.

The man deserves to be mocked off the air. He shouldn't be allowed to make a living off the suffering of others. And if he'd like to know what it's like to watch someone's head explode from a piece of falling debris, knowing that it could have just as easily been him had he been 5 feet further out the door, and then to have to carry the weight of that survivor guilt for the rest of his life, I'll gladly tell him. After I break his goddamn nose and beat him to the ground like the coward he is.

Was I personally affected by 9/11? I think that everyone was. This was one of the major events of our time and to claim that the impact that this had on society and the world in general did not affect any given individual seems very short sighted.

Glenn Beck is not building his career on this 9/12 project. He was greatly successful prior to this movement and this is a continuation of his work. Frankly I'm glad he's doing it.

Contrary to what Colbert is saying, the idea behind the project is to bring people together on common ground. Colbert is proving to be the divisive figure here, not Beck.



I find it hard to disagree with that message and I suspect that it would be embraced if it were being put forth by a person who was in sync with the current administration.

Do you remember the sense of unity which existed after 9/11 Dave? I know I do. It was a good thing but it seems to be gone now.

The only time Colbert or Stewart mention anyone in a critical light on their show is if they have the audacity to question the current administration. They don't usually back up their arguments with facts, and they don't encourage their audience to think for themselves.

Dave, just go cool of a little. Let everybody else call Gabon a dipshit. Being too close to the event affects your responses and basically makes everyone think you're high on drugs or something. Just sit back and don't relive the experience.






Anyway, Glen Beck is a fucking pussy with not a single bit of dignity left in his soul. The guy is a fraud who tricks people into his ideas by playing on sentimental bullshit. The amount of dickery he gets away with by crying on camera talking about how he loooooooooves this country is quite frankly absurd. If you're actually defending him, Gabon, then you're just another one of those morons who back another moron despite all the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence to the contrary are we talking about exactly? You're position is that Glenn Beck is quote:

"a fucking pussy with not a single bit of dignity left in his soul"
"a fraud who tricks people into his ideas by playing on sentimental bullshit"
and that "The amount of dickery he gets away with by crying on camera talking about how he loooooooooves this country is quite frankly absurd"

It now falls upon you to provide "all the evidence to the contrary" which should come from recordings of Glenn Beck or his writings, not third parties.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you have never listened to Glenn Beck but rather hold second hand opinions of the man which are dictated to you by figures like Steven Colbert.

And yes, Glenn Beck is patriotic.

Glenn Beck, who said "if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot." has more of my respect than Colbert who ended an episode of his show by saying "we told you what to think, now go out and vote!"

It was an episode towards the end of the Democratic Primary where Clinton made a cameo appearance and he had Obama come on after her (without her knowledge) so that they could lampoon her together. It was funny but that closing line is terrifying and cuts right to the core of Colbert's character. To the contrary Glenn Beck frequently encourages people to do their own research and to double check everything he says. If you listen to him for any substantial period you will hear him say these things.

"If you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot." vs "we told you what to think now go out and vote! (for Obama)"

I know where I stand on these two choices.

[jay_a2j]

Great post.

[Snorri1234]

It now falls upon you to provide "all the evidence to the contrary" which should come from recordings of Glenn Beck or his writings, not third parties.

Unless that clip where he says he hates 9/11 families isn't him I see no reason to do that.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you have never listened to Glenn Beck but rather hold second hand opinions of the man which are dictated to you by figures like Steven Colbert.

Actually, I've read the blog and browsed to his website a few times. I don't need Colbert to tell me what to think.

And yes, Glenn Beck is patriotic.

Crying on camera about how much you love teh US is not patriotic. The guy is a fraud. I admit he's funnier than O'Reilly and more subtle than others, but he's still another one of those strawmanning political bullshitters who earns his money by telling morons that they are not morons but actually the only sane people on the planet.

Glenn Beck, who said "if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot." has more of my respect than Colbert who ended an episode of his show by saying "we told you what to think, now go out and vote!"

You do know that the Colbert show is a parody, right? That what he says isn't actually meant to be serious in any way?

Also, does Glenn Beck employ magical elves who make people who watch his show suddenly forget that he just told them what to think?

[thegreekdog]

Actually, I've read the blog and browsed to his website a few times. I don't need Colbert to tell me what to think.

You do know that the Colbert show is a parody, right? That what he says isn't actually meant to be serious in any way?

You're absolutely correct there snorri. But... you know how there are people who watch Glenn Beck (and listen to Rush Limbaugh) who think whatever those guys tell them to think?

Well, there are people who only watch the Colbert Report for their news; they don't know the show is a parody (rather, they don't think the entire show is a parody); they think whatever Colbert tells them to think (or Madow or Olbermann).

At least let's acknowledge that whether it be Beck or Colbert, Limbaugh or Madow, they all have a political agenda. There's no need to single out conservative talk show hosts as being biased.

[Snorri1234]

Well, there are people who only watch the Colbert Report for their news; they don't know the show is a parody (rather, they don't think the entire show is a parody); they think whatever Colbert tells them to think (or Madow or Olbermann).

Yeah I know. Some people are just weird. I wonder how anyone could possibly watch the Colbert Report without realising that.

Still, unless Glenn Beck is giving away one of the best parodies ever, the point I was making was that the intent behind the show was different.

At least let's acknowledge that whether it be Beck or Colbert, Limbaugh or Madow, they all have a political agenda. There's no need to single out conservative talk show hosts as being biased.

Ofcourse. You watch entertainment because it agrees with your viewpoints (or disagrees horribly).

[GabonX]

It now falls upon you to provide "all the evidence to the contrary" which should come from recordings of Glenn Beck or his writings, not third parties.

Unless that clip where he says he hates 9/11 families isn't him I see no reason to do that.

The problem is that this is a biased example from a third party with a political agenda which has taken the quote out of it's orriginal context.

Regardless, I heard him say that he was only talking about ten families. The logical question to ask would be "who are these ten families and why are they being criticised?"

People are not saints just because they had a family member who was part of the tragedy on 9/11. There was some very legitimate criticism of 9/11 families who were exploiting their loss for self agrandizement after 9/11. I suspect that this is what Beck was referring to, but it's impossible to tell because Colbert has successfully taken the quote out of context and demonized Beck for it.

Should we take it that you do not have an argument of your own to present?

And yes, Glenn Beck is patriotic.

Crying on camera about how much you love teh US is not patriotic. The guy is a fraud. I admit he's funnier than O'Reilly and more subtle than others, but he's still another one of those strawmanning political bullshitters who earns his money by telling morons that they are not morons but actually the only sane people on the planet.

This is all very similar to Colbert crying after Obama won the election and to Colbert affirming the beliefs of his audience..

Once again, Beck is the one who encourages people to double check what he says and to do their own research so that they can form their own opinions.

I've watched a good deal of Stewart and Colbert and haven't heard either of them give any advice like this.

Glenn Beck, who said "if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot." has more of my respect than Colbert who ended an episode of his show by saying "we told you what to think, now go out and vote!"

You do know that the Colbert show is a parody, right? That what he says isn't actually meant to be serious in any way?

The show is a parody, but this was a very telling moment. After praising Obama and lampooning his competition just prior to the statement, after months of unabashed praise which continue to this day, I think it's clear that this statement was a window into the true nature of the show.

Colbert and Stewarts' shows are propoganda disguised as humor. They are not impartial as every joke on the show coincides with a very real agenda.

I admit that they are very effective in what they do, but it is quite clear that they knowingly try to influence politics.

This is no joking matter.

[thegreekdog]

I do agree with GabonX, which is kind of my point too. Colbert and Stewart may be making funny jokes, but they are making funny jokes about Republicans, not about Obama. They definitely have an agenda, like everyone else. That's why I say people that get their information from Colbert and Stewart (my brother-in-law for example) are limiting their exposure considerably.

I listen to Glenn Beck and I watch Colbert and Stewart. I have a friend who is vehemently anti-conservative (not liberal per se, he just hates Bush), who subjects me to a lot of Olbermann and Madow. I believe I can make an educated decision on my political and personal values by watching a variety of things. And I like to think I understand the political leanings of each of those entertainers/reporters so that I know what I'm listening to may not be the "truth" per se.

Here's another example - It is well-known that Rush Limbaugh wants President Obama to fail. It's been reported in virtually every news outlet. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert went on about it ad naseum. What they failed to quote is that Rush Limbaugh said (and I'm paraphrasing) is that if President Obama is going to implement socialist policies, Limbaugh wants the president to fail. Limbaugh also said (and I'm paraphrasing) that if President Obama is going to implement "capitalist" policies, Limbaugh wants him to succeed. But, that's not what was reported... because the shows that reported on Limbaugh have an agenda. Most people that watch those shows will say, "Limbaugh is a jerk... I can't believe he wants Obama to fail... if he represents all conservatives, all conservatives must want the president to fail... and they must be jerks." That's just one example, but it happens a lot.

In any event, let's call a spade a spade and admit that, apart from ideology, there is little difference between any of these so-called news outlets. I urge everyone to take in as much as you can before forming your opinions on politics. It definitely helps to know more.

[Snorri1234]

The problem is that this is a biased example from a third party with a political agenda which has taken the quote out of it's orriginal context.

Original context balls. He said it so he has to own up for it.

Regardless, I heard him say that he was only talking about ten families. The logical question to ask would be "who are these ten families and why are they being criticised?"

People are not saints just because they had a family member who was part of the tragedy on 9/11. There was some very legitimate criticism of 9/11 families who were exploiting their loss for self agrandizement after 9/11. I suspect that this is what Beck was referring to, but it's impossible to tell because Colbert has successfully taken the quote out of context and demonized Beck for it.

But what Beck actually said was that these families crying even though "we" had done everything we could.

Perhaps he was referring to the exploiters, but why didn't he say that? Like, directly after saying he hated them. Because he did explain for what he hated them but I saw no mention of "they're exploiting us" or bollocks like that.

Should we take it that you do not have an argument of your own to present?

Naturally, my argument against Beck will result in you saying "yes, he's right". Not that you take everything he says as the truth, but what I would say he's wrong about you wouldn't say is wrong.

This is all very similar to Colbert crying after Obama won the election and to Colbert affirming the beliefs of his audience..

f*ck man, I don't actually watch Colbert nor do I follow his life.

Once again, Beck is the one who encourages people to double check what he says and to do their own research so that they can form their own opinions.

Yeah right. He may tell his audience to do their own research, but only after he has already told them what he thinks with his ideas and his fancy graphs and his "any true american would think the same" shit.

He tells them what to think, he really does. And that is logical for any talk-host, but that doesn't mean the bullshit that he tells people is ok or anything.

I've watched a good deal of Stewart and Colbert and haven't heard either of them give any advice like this.

That's because they're not doing the same thing as Beck. They're making comedy, it isn't intended as educational.

The show is a parody, but this was a very telling moment. After praising Obama and lampooning his competition just prior to the statement, after months of unabashed praise which continue to this day, I think it's clear that this statement was a window into the true nature of the show.

Colbert and Stewarts' shows are propoganda disguised as humor. They are not impartial as every joke on the show coincides with a very real agenda.

Oh shit propoganda? Are they in the pay of the communist-masonistic-NWO?

[jonesthecurl]

...and anyone who diesn't think Colbert is a paraody probably believes he is a bible fundamentalist and a republican. And Huckabee's running mate.

[GabonX]

Not going to bother quoting you Snorri, but the fact that we only have a small snippet of what he said regarding 9/11 families means that he could have elaborated on those comments in such a way as to make them seem much more rational.

The fact that we heard him say he only had a problem with ten of those families leads me to believe he probably did elaborate on what it was that those ten families had done to make him say that. Until the comments are shown in context it is impossible to know what was bothering him but it is quite apparent that he was NOT trying to attack all of the people who were victimized by 9/11 or to belittle their tragedy. This is a false pretense which Colbert tried to put on him but we can be sure that this was not Beck's intent based on what is already present.

Glenn Beck does express his opinion, which is his right as an American and as a human being. It is to his credit that he advises people not to allow him, or anyone else, to be their single source of knowledge.

[captain.crazy]

I do agree with GabonX, which is kind of my point too. Colbert and Stewart may be making funny jokes, but they are making funny jokes about Republicans, not about Obama. They definitely have an agenda, like everyone else. That's why I say people that get their information from Colbert and Stewart (my brother-in-law for example) are limiting their exposure considerably.

I listen to Glenn Beck and I watch Colbert and Stewart. I have a friend who is vehemently anti-conservative (not liberal per se, he just hates Bush), who subjects me to a lot of Olbermann and Madow. I believe I can make an educated decision on my political and personal values by watching a variety of things. And I like to think I understand the political leanings of each of those entertainers/reporters so that I know what I'm listening to may not be the "truth" per se.

Here's another example - It is well-known that Rush Limbaugh wants President Obama to fail. It's been reported in virtually every news outlet. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert went on about it ad naseum. What they failed to quote is that Rush Limbaugh said (and I'm paraphrasing) is that if President Obama is going to implement socialist policies, Limbaugh wants the president to fail. Limbaugh also said (and I'm paraphrasing) that if President Obama is going to implement "capitalist" policies, Limbaugh wants him to succeed. But, that's not what was reported... because the shows that reported on Limbaugh have an agenda. Most people that watch those shows will say, "Limbaugh is a jerk... I can't believe he wants Obama to fail... if he represents all conservatives, all conservatives must want the president to fail... and they must be jerks." That's just one example, but it happens a lot.

In any event, let's call a spade a spade and admit that, apart from ideology, there is little difference between any of these so-called news outlets. I urge everyone to take in as much as you can before forming your opinions on politics. It definitely helps to know more.

One theory is that a house divided, cannot stand. And I think that's true. Look at the silly protesters of the g20. No unity, no single message... just herds of divided sheep. The same could be said about the American people... one giant divided herd. All media is controlled by the same source (in theory) and the hands that control it, do so in such a way as to keep people divided against one another, because if we weren't so divided, then we might actually have a real leader.

[Juan_Bottom]

The same could be said about the American people... one giant divided herd. All media is controlled by the same source (in theory) and the hands that control it, do so in such a way as to keep people divided against one another, because if we weren't so divided, then we might actually have a real leader.

I agree sir.

[Snorri1234]

Not going to bother quoting you Snorri, but the fact that we only have a small snippet of what he said regarding 9/11 families means that he could have elaborated on those comments in such a way as to make them seem much more rational.

The fact that we heard him say he only had a problem with ten of those families leads me to believe he probably did elaborate on what it was that those ten families had done to make him say that. Until the comments are shown in context it is impossible to know what was bothering him but it is quite apparent that he was NOT trying to attack all of the people who were victimized by 9/11 or to belittle their tragedy. This is a false pretense which Colbert tried to put on him but we can be sure that this was not Beck's intent based on what is already present.

Whoever said he was attacking all of the people? He was saying that he hated a bunch of 9/11 families for being whining peeps, which normally wouldn't be a big deal but this is the same person who fucking loves to talk about how 9/11 changed everything and how everyone should recall that shit to form a new movement.

The sentiment itself isn't a dickmove, it's the fact that it's coming from him that is a dickmove.

Glenn Beck does express his opinion, which is his right as an American and as a human being. It is to his credit that he advises people not to allow him, or anyone else, to be their single source of knowledge.

Damn, do I have to repeat this all the fucking time?

Just because he says people shouldn't take him as their single source doesn't mean he isn't telling people exactly what to think and in effect being the only source who tells people what to think.

[captain.crazy]

The same could be said about the American people... one giant divided herd. All media is controlled by the same source (in theory) and the hands that control it, do so in such a way as to keep people divided against one another, because if we weren't so divided, then we might actually have a real leader.

I agree sir.

Then join my NWO clan... I need members!

[got tonkaed]

id piggy back off of snorri's last point as well. I think one of the impressive things about Colbert's parody is that hes really able to focus the majority of his point on Beck himself, and not so much the project. While he is mocking the day after with the gas masks and gun and mocks the project at the end, hes really doing so to further his point against Beck, not against the sentiment.

I dont think most liberals would be opposed to people, even conservatives, trying to do things that show how much they love their country and attempting to make it better. Now there would in all likelyhood be some things that would be done that people would disagree with, probably some of them out there enough to make a liar out of me two sentences ago, but few people are against civic responsiblity and trying to make the country a better place.

Its easy however, to point out someone who appears to be trying to take something like this and use it to further his career, which is just a bit hypocritical given the way it all appears to have come off. Also, though you cant say for sure that he wasnt being genuine in his displays of emotion, the way it was edited it sure did not look as good as it could have for mr. Beck.

[pimpdave]

Do you remember the sense of unity which existed after 9/11 Dave? I know I do. It was a good thing but it seems to be gone now.

Not really, GabonX. What I remember first and foremost is the smell.

After that, I remember the great sadness which blanketed over the city. It wasn't so much unity in NYC as defeat. People looked you in the eye for about week afterwards. They held doors for the elderly and gave up the disability seats to the disabled. But that only lasted for a week. And that sadness was thoroughly belied by a strong sense of fear that none of us wanted to acknowledge publicly. I remember seeing people walking around with paper masks on, as if we were in Asia during the peak of SARS.

I remember people talking about Iostat, or whatever pill it is one must pop to stave off radiation poisoning, and how it was almost impossible to get some if you lived in NYC, unless you were super rich, and the super rich all had supplies. We were convinced the next attack was coming any day.

So Colbert putting on the gas mask and rising with the gun was a near perfect caricature. Sure, we didn't walk around like that, but you can be damn sure we were thinking it.

Anyway, I'm not going to come back into this thread. I actually hate talking about 9/11, and never should have posted in here after I had been drinking. Go ahead and yell at each other some more, but please don't pick apart this post. I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just providing my own story and reflection on the event.

Maybe you guys who weren't there felt unity. The rest of us felt the great sadness.

[captain.crazy]

Do you remember the sense of unity which existed after 9/11 Dave? I know I do. It was a good thing but it seems to be gone now.

I remember it... It was the only good thing that came form that day. We were all Americans... United under one banner, and United in the cause of surrendering our freedoms. It was not long after that day that I bought my first gun... I couldn't possibly have known what the future held for our country, but I knew that it wasn't going to be good. Brace yourselves... I think that the next 9 month are going to give birth to something awful.

[b.k. barunt]

Oh shit - you got something pregnant?


Honibaz

[Juan_Bottom]

Brace yourselves... I think that the next 9 month are going to give birth to something awful.

Oh shit - you got something pregnant?


Honibaz

FASTPOSTED ahahaahahaaa!!!

[captain.crazy]

Mockery, skepticism, sarcasm... it seems that is about all you guys have. Making yourselves feel better about your selves with each edged remark. You just can't hold on to your own beliefs without seriously considering those of another. You say "Oh, that Glenn Beck, cried just like Jimmy Swaggert" when in fact, he may well have. How do you know how Jimmy Swaggert felt when he was exposed for being a hypocrite? I am sure that every one of us on this forum is a hypocrite about something, and some of us are bigger hypocrites than others.

I just think that Beck did express real emotion when he cried. This country has been through the ringer over the last 8 years. And we are drawing down to some really unprecedented times. The majority of you will gladly take the government cheese, never even caring that its not real food, but genetically altered, artificially flavored, mass produced shit. cloned meats treated with viruses will more likely kill you than sustain you, and you will bow down and say thank you for it, even while the federal Government passes law after law that strips away your "right" to grow a garden or to keep the government out of your computer. Like dogs, the vast majority of you would rather eat the scraps from the Governments table, because, make no mistake, our dastardly politicians won't be eating that same mass produced shit.

when its said and done, you will have traded one group of rich elitists, for another, but the interest accrued will have been your freedom to try to make a better life for yourselves.

[pimpdave]

It goes on for too long, but the last statement is completely worth it. In case anyone had any doubt left as to whether this guy is a complete douche bag or not.


Glenn Beck Loves His Job


"Holocaust denier"

[MeDeFe]

I just think that Beck did express real emotion when he cried. This country has been through the ringer over the last 8 years. And we are drawing down to some really unprecedented times. The majority of you will gladly take the government cheese, never even caring that its not real food, but genetically altered, artificially flavored, mass produced shit. cloned meats treated with viruses will more likely kill you than sustain you, and you will bow down and say thank you for it, even while the federal Government passes law after law that strips away your "right" to grow a garden or to keep the government out of your computer. Like dogs, the vast majority of you would rather eat the scraps from the Governments table, because, make no mistake, our dastardly politicians won't be eating that same mass produced shit.

when its said and done, you will have traded one group of rich elitists, for another, but the interest accrued will have been your freedom to try to make a better life for yourselves.

You sound like a critic of capitalism.

[got tonkaed]

the moral of the story of the latest beck clip is that as has been known by everyone for quite some time now...that soviet/russian anthem really is pretty awesome.

[MeDeFe]

the moral of the story of the latest beck clip is that as has been known by everyone for quite some time now...that soviet/russian anthem really is pretty awesome.

It certainly is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj-vxHtU4L8

[Juan_Bottom]

Beck: I was wrong -- We're headed toward fascism, not socialism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTzCdY6S ... tn:mptnews