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pimpdave wrote:So the cocksucker should change the name. Oh, and Beck proves he's a douche bag by calling the project what he has. My conception of him was as just as another cable news clown until this thing.

I don't know much of anything about the project, and won't bother, either. I'm sure it has something to do with being nice to one another and acting like a unified nation, but if that's the case, why not call it the unity project?

Please, someone, if you can actually rationally explain to me how the name of the project is not completely exploitative, I'd appreciate it. I'll even be willing to read what you write about the project if that's the case. But I'm not going to go back through this thread and read all of the back and forth. Feel free to post a quote from earlier in the thread, but only if it pertains to my question. I don't care about too much detail about the project, only about how it is related to the events of 9/11, because from what I've heard, it has only to do with exploiting the perceived emotional response of "unity" immediately following the attacks.


First of all, I have to say that your insults of the man make no good impression of yourself. You talk about kneejerking, when it seems that a bit of practice what you preach seems in order here.

Now, to meet your challenge for answering your question. Stop and think for a minute about how you felt on September 12, 2001. If the world didn't change for you, then you were not paying attention. If you actually lost someone in the attacks, then I cannot begin to fathom how you must have felt, but for the rest of us, it was a dumbfounding feeling. Flags were displayed, partisan differences were put aside and we all felt differently about each other. I recall looking at a stranger on the street and really feeling that he was my countryman. That there was no difference between us. We both had to recognize that WE were attacked, no matter our differences, we were both small parts of the Bigger picture that was America, and we had no idea what had just happened to us.

In the first days after 9-11, there was unity. We were all waiting for the details of the attack to come out so that we could do something, as a nation, about what had happened.

Surely even you can see that we are in that same boat again. We are on the verge of a complete economic melt down, and you have to know that the same mistakes are being made now that were made right before the great depression. There are forces at work, namely socialists and communists that are pushing an agenda right now that will ensure the breaking of the American will. Our liberties and freedoms are at stake and I agree with Glenn Beck, we need to have that same feeling that we all had on September 12, 2001. We need to stare the fear down, and find the resolve to take back that which is rightfully ours.

No, not national health care, or trillion dollar deficits, but the rights that are afforded to us under the Constitution of the United States, that document that Obama seems to be attacking daily, while bowing down to Arabian kings, and slandering our nation to the European G20 elite. It is time that we, as Americans, took responsibility for our actions, and earn what we get.

Glenn Beck is honest in his belief of these values, and I think your comments about him make you look like a belligerent fool.
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captain.crazy wrote:First of all, I have to say that your insults of the man make no good impression of yourself. You talk about kneejerking, when it seems that a bit of practice what you preach seems in order here.


I refuse to read any more of your post, after that statement. See, here's the thing. I don't exploit 9/11 for personal profit, even though I could.

So as far as practicing what I preach, I absolutely do. As far as a knee jerk reaction, I haven't at all. No one has been able to demonstrate that the name of Beck's bullshit "pay attention to me so my ratings go up" project was donned for any reason other than to exploit the event.

It is just as vile and horrible as those Muslims who danced in the streets of Paterson, NJ, when the towers fell. It is just as evil as the videos of the towers falling that al-Qaeda distributes amongst the desperately poor to recruit future terrorists to their cause.

If you fail to recognize that, then there is no sense even trying to discuss anything about this with you, as you are a fool. If you do recognize that, then stop defending Glenn Beck.
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pimpdave wrote:I refuse to read any more of your post, after that statement. See, here's the thing. I don't exploit 9/11 for personal profit, even though I could.

You are showing your inability do debate without emotion. You just told everyone here how small your mind is.

So as far as practicing what I preach, I absolutely do. As far as a knee jerk reaction, I haven't at all. No one has been able to demonstrate that the name of Beck's bullshit "pay attention to me so my ratings go up" project was donned for any reason other than to exploit the event.

And yet, all you are doing is knee jerking. All you want to do is lash out at the right wing propaganda, never even realizing that the left wing news is equally as bad. You are only lambasting Beck because you think that he is being disingenuous. I don't see any proof in that. He is a capitalist, and does not want to see Obama ruin this country, which he is.


It is just as vile and horrible as those Muslims who danced in the streets of Paterson, NJ, when the towers fell. It is just as evil as the videos of the towers falling that al-Qaeda distributes amongst the desperately poor to recruit future terrorists to their cause.

I disagree, he is only trying to remind America that we are one nation. You would do right to remember that before spouting off profane insults about a man that wants to insight patriotism.


If you fail to recognize that, then there is no sense even trying to discuss anything about this with you, as you are a fool. If you do recognize that, then stop defending Glenn Beck.

When last I checked, we all still had free speech. I just think that he is not faking it when he is trying to rally support for that which he believes in. To that, I say more power to him. I just see it as fascist of you to slander the man when you have no real PROOF that he is faking it. I think that you need that before you can say these kinds of things... you know... Proof? Kinda like, when a presidential candidate says "no more earmarks" during his campaign only to sign earmarks into his first budget. Or when the same man says "No lobbyists in my cabinet" only to put mostly lobbyists in his cabinet. You show me who Beck proves that he is faking it, other than your assertion that he is, and I will concede this debate to you... or you can close your tight little mind further, take your ball and go home.


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captain.crazy wrote:When last I checked, we all still had free speech. I just think that he is not faking it when he is trying to rally support for that which he believes in. To that, I say more power to him. I just see it as fascist of you to slander the man when you have no real PROOF that he is faking it. I think that you need that before you can say these kinds of things... you know... Proof? Kinda like, when a presidential candidate says "no more earmarks" during his campaign only to sign earmarks into his first budget. Or when the same man says "No lobbyists in my cabinet" only to put mostly lobbyists in his cabinet. You show me who Beck proves that he is faking it, other than your assertion that he is, and I will concede this debate to you... or you can close your tight little mind further, take your ball and go home.


This isn't fun, because whenever you see that I have made a point you can't attack, you just change the topic completely.

My issue with Beck is his choice in name for his dumb fucking publicity stunt "project". I do not care that he has a project, or what it does, but I do care that he is exploiting an event he had nothing to do with for personal profit. Sure, he's trying to "foster patriotism" or whatever, but guess what Captain Obvious, the fascists thrived under a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism. So really, I think you need to try and understand what things like fascism actually are before you go bandying about accusations like that.

Also, this is not about Obama. This is about Beck. Go to one of the myriad of Obama threads to beat that drum.

So, to reiterate (for the umpteenth time), I take issue with his choice in name for his project because it is obviously exploitative and serves to generate income for him. (he gets attention, thus more viewers, thus higher ratings, thus higher salary) If you fail to understand that, then you have no idea how the entertainment industry works. I have no issue with whatever it is his project does, either. I don't care. But I care about his choice in name.

Sadly, his stunt has been very effective. For example, I now know Glenn Beck's name, whereas I really had no idea before. However, I will always hate him and will never, ever forgive him.

HE WASN'T THERE.

ps. When the hell in the history of internet debates has anyone ever conceded a debate? The one who just doesn't shut up might be able to claim victory, since the other person quit, but in this case, you just keep on posting without ever actually engaging the real issue.

Plus, you weren't there either, so just go back to organizing the very exciting and patriotic unity initiative in your own town, but don't fucking exploit mine to do so.
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pimpdave wrote:This isn't fun, because whenever you see that I have made a point you can't attack, you just change the topic completely.

My issue with Beck is his choice in name for his dumb fucking publicity stunt "project". I do not care that he has a project, or what it does, but I do care that he is exploiting an event he had nothing to do with for personal profit. Sure, he's trying to "foster patriotism" or whatever, but guess what Captain Obvious, the fascists thrived under a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism. So really, I think you need to try and understand what things like fascism actually are before you go bandying about accusations like that.

Also, this is not about Obama. This is about Beck. Go to one of the myriad of Obama threads to beat that drum.

So, to reiterate (for the umpteenth time), I take issue with his choice in name for his project because it is obviously exploitative and serves to generate income for him. (he gets attention, thus more viewers, thus higher ratings, thus higher salary) If you fail to understand that, then you have no idea how the entertainment industry works. I have no issue with whatever it is his project does, either. I don't care. But I care about his choice in name.

Sadly, his stunt has been very effective. For example, I now know Glenn Beck's name, whereas I really had no idea before. However, I will always hate him and will never, ever forgive him.

HE WASN'T THERE.

ps. When the hell in the history of internet debates has anyone ever conceded a debate? The one who just doesn't shut up might be able to claim victory, since the other person quit, but in this case, you just keep on posting without ever actually engaging the real issue.

Plus, you weren't there either, so just go back to organizing the very exciting and patriotic unity initiative in your own town, but don't fucking exploit mine to do so.


so tell me what it was like, since you were obviously there... I can tell you what it was like to not have been there, but feeling very sad for our country, albeit, a thousand miles away. but I can tell you that I felt very very sad about it. I empathized with friends and colleagues that lost loved ones, and I feared for the next attack, and the chance that it would have been closer to home. I'm sorry for you if it was a real tragedy for you, but please excuse the rest of us nobodies as we try to relate with the horror that was and will always will be 911.

My points about Obama are ti illustrate someone that lied hiss ass off on the campaign trail only to get what he wanted, the presidency. I offered evidence of his deceptions, which is what I asked of you regarding Beck. I know that he isn't really on trial here, for this is no court of law, but I haven't seen any evidence that he isn't a patriot, trying to rally supporters to the cause that he believes is the American way, capitalism. If all you have is hatred for the title of his project, then I assert again that you have a little mind. Its the nature of the project that is really important.

If you can show me evidence where he has lied to and deceived his audience for monetary gain, then I will surrender this thread and your arguments will ring true. Go ahead, friend, change my mind, for I can tell you this, I like it when my mind is changed. It is exciting to me.
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I guess technically I've conceded, though I'm not sure what I conceded to. I like Glenn Beck's message, I support his message. I've admitted it's unfortunate that he named the organization what he named it.
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thegreekdog wrote:I guess technically I've conceded, though I'm not sure what I conceded to. I like Glenn Beck's message, I support his message. I've admitted it's unfortunate that he named the organization what he named it.


Yeah, you're actually interesting to engage. I meant the other guy, the captain.

Now, for you, you like the message. Good for you. I'm glad for you. However, his message, whatever it is, is completely undermined by its name. If his message was so poignant and worthwhile, he wouldn't have to exploit the events of 9/11 to convey it.

Furthermore, this project heavily implies that this nation did not experience any unity prior to 9/12, which is patently untrue. The name is worse than unfortunate, it is designed to exploit deeply felt emotions and memories. Regardless of what those emotions are, or if Beck actually understands what people felt, it is a foundation of fascist movements to appeal to the emotion of the masses rather than their reason.

While you haven't made any intimations that it is fascist for me to be categorically opposed to Glenn Beck's publicity stunt (or, for that matter, any further career in broadcasting), captain crazy has, perhaps as a preemptive strike against what he must have thought I would dub Beck's "project". To clarify though, I don't think it's completely fascist. I don't really know enough about the project to be able to adequately categorize it anyway.

I sincerely hope that you, greekdog, understand civics and systems of government well enough to know what fascism actually is, and won't make such outlandish accusations.

For the rest of you, especially captain.crazy, maybe it's time to actually learn some political science from a source other than your television. You know, like maybe a book.

Now, I think I really will quit arguing about this, and go back to posting videos of or concerning Glenn Beck that are full of lulz.
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captain.crazy wrote:My points about Obama are ti illustrate someone that lied hiss ass off on the campaign trail only to get what he wanted, the presidency. I offered evidence of his deceptions, which is what I asked of you regarding Beck.


Yeah, that's called apples and oranges, a pretty common logical fallacy, especially among the uneducated and willfully ignorant.

Yet I'm the one with the small mind?
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pimpdave wrote:
captain.crazy wrote:My points about Obama are ti illustrate someone that lied hiss ass off on the campaign trail only to get what he wanted, the presidency. I offered evidence of his deceptions, which is what I asked of you regarding Beck.


Yeah, that's called apples and oranges, a pretty common logical fallacy, especially among the uneducated and willfully ignorant.

Yet I'm the one with the small mind?


You are indeed close minded on this. You will not even take the time to learn what his project is about. My guess is that you might find that the values that Beck is promoting might resonate with you. That is just a guess, probably wrong, I know. But the fact that you seem to take such offense to the title of project 912, tells me one thing. You associate a lot of hate and anger about that day. Perhaps its something that you never dealt with or brought closure to. That is for you to do. If, however, you could find any positive light from the occurrence on 9-11, then you might come to at least one conclusion. There was a short time there, when we were all Americans. From a sea of division, there was a little unity in our country. I don't think that it lasted long. Bush was a puppet and made incredible errors in his handling of the nations affairs both at home and abroad. Soon, we, as a nation were right back at each others throats. But for a short time, there was unity.

We are again at a time of great peril. It may be that if we can just see the importance that a little unity can be prior to the tragedy that is on the horizon, the death of America, then maybe we can avoid it.

I am still waiting for you to show me the insight to the man Beck, that gives you the impression that he is so disingenuous as to exploit the dead, as you seem to imply, rather than to promote the unity that followed 9-11.

You say that he is using the title of his project to increase his fame, ratings and wealth, yet you won't even entertain the notion that he is using his fame and viewership to promote an idea. Try to put your ego aside, just for a minute, and at least learn what his project is about before you dash it on the rocks in the name of preserving the emotions that are engulfed in so much carnage. Try to bring out the good of the situation, however fleeting that it actually was.
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David Buckner faints on Glenn Beck's show

Someone please fill in the details about this. What happened to Buckner? Does he have some kind of condition?
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pimpdave wrote:David Buckner faints on Glenn Beck's show

Someone please fill in the details about this. What happened to Buckner? Does he have some kind of condition?


It must have been some sort of right wing conspiracy to flaunt how much Glenn Becks cares for people when they spontaneously fall over.

Seriously though, this happened to me one time as a teenager, for no reason whatsoever. I was working at a convenience store and just blacked out...

Bottom line is, there is nothing to see here... move along.
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pimpdave wrote:This isn't fun, because whenever you see that I have made a point you can't attack, you just change the topic completely.

My issue with Beck is his choice in name for his dumb fucking publicity stunt "project". I do not care that he has a project, or what it does, but I do care that he is exploiting an event he had nothing to do with for personal profit. Sure, he's trying to "foster patriotism" or whatever, but guess what Captain Obvious, the fascists thrived under a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism. So really, I think you need to try and understand what things like fascism actually are before you go bandying about accusations like that.

Also, this is not about Obama. This is about Beck. Go to one of the myriad of Obama threads to beat that drum.

So, to reiterate (for the umpteenth time), I take issue with his choice in name for his project because it is obviously exploitative and serves to generate income for him. (he gets attention, thus more viewers, thus higher ratings, thus higher salary) If you fail to understand that, then you have no idea how the entertainment industry works. I have no issue with whatever it is his project does, either. I don't care. But I care about his choice in name.

Sadly, his stunt has been very effective. For example, I now know Glenn Beck's name, whereas I really had no idea before. However, I will always hate him and will never, ever forgive him.

HE WASN'T THERE.

ps. When the hell in the history of internet debates has anyone ever conceded a debate? The one who just doesn't shut up might be able to claim victory, since the other person quit, but in this case, you just keep on posting without ever actually engaging the real issue.

Plus, you weren't there either, so just go back to organizing the very exciting and patriotic unity initiative in your own town, but don't fucking exploit mine to do so.


so tell me what it was like, since you were obviously there... I can tell you what it was like to not have been there, but feeling very sad for our country, albeit, a thousand miles away. but I can tell you that I felt very very sad about it. I empathized with friends and colleagues that lost loved ones, and I feared for the next attack, and the chance that it would have been closer to home. I'm sorry for you if it was a real tragedy for you, but please excuse the rest of us nobodies as we try to relate with the horror that was and will always will be 911.

My points about Obama are ti illustrate someone that lied hiss ass off on the campaign trail only to get what he wanted, the presidency. I offered evidence of his deceptions, which is what I asked of you regarding Beck. I know that he isn't really on trial here, for this is no court of law, but I haven't seen any evidence that he isn't a patriot, trying to rally supporters to the cause that he believes is the American way, capitalism. If all you have is hatred for the title of his project, then I assert again that you have a little mind. Its the nature of the project that is really important.

If you can show me evidence where he has lied to and deceived his audience for monetary gain, then I will surrender this thread and your arguments will ring true. Go ahead, friend, change my mind, for I can tell you this, I like it when my mind is changed. It is exciting to me.


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Neoteny wrote:LOCK THIS FUCKING THREAD!!!


Whats this? Why should this thread be locked? Its just getting good!
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Call me a stickler for tradition, but don't comedians usually tell jokes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnbsveUpsac
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pimpdave wrote:Call me a stickler for tradition, but don't comedians usually tell jokes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnbsveUpsac


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Maybe everyone gets it... you don't like Glenn Beck... what else do you have? Have you realized that the Republicans and democrats are really in the same team yet?
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Rest in peace, common sense.


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How can anyone not like this man?

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jay_a2j wrote:Rest in peace, common sense.


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How can anyone not like this man?

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I admit he's funny. Being funny isn't the same as being right though. I like him far better than other rightwing talkhosts.


Honestly, if he wasn't being serious in other videos I would love this guy.
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Also, if he didn't just copy that from an email he would be funnier.
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Glenn Beck is a lot of fs
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pimpdave wrote:Glenn Beck is a lot of fs


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