sailorseal wrote:That is the problem with ideas, you can't get a discussion going until you have a map and sadly that is just the way it is
The MapMakers own Guide disagrees with you.
As well, I disagree completely. A well-fleshed-out idea is just as prepared for discussion as a poorly-drawn map. My initial post in that thread laid out the premise of the map quite well, so that anyone reading it certainly would be able to understand the map concept enough to at least give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down regarding whether it was worth pursuing or not.
Some ideas sound good and maybe look good on paper but when drawn they reveal that the idea is terrible, so approval cannot really be given until you see a map.
Allow me to type slowly, so that you won't have as much trouble reading it...I wasn't looking for APPROVAL, I was looking for OPINION. A far different thing.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
oaktown wrote:It is indeed somewhat rare that a new idea posted in the Ideas sub-forum gets a lot of attention. I think there are several reasons for this...
1) Most of the ideas in there aren't very good.
2) Most of the ideas will never get made, both because they aren't very good and because they have nobody working on them. If there was a mapmaker committed to the idea, they'd be drafts. If people think an idea is never going to be made they won't post, because...
3) People have a limited amount of time to spend looking at/commenting on other people's maps.
Now, we could say all of that in the Mapmakers' Guide, but the effect would be that people would stop using the Idea subforum. If that's what we wanted, we could just delete it and save the space. But it does serve a purpose, and occasionally a good idea comes out of there. The Conquer Crater thread has 59 posts and it looks like they've picked up a photoshop guy to make the map. The Spain thread started as an idea, but now has a draft and probably should be moved. World 2.2 is up to 11 pages.
You're absolutely right that the "make a map" responses can be frustrating, but in reading through your thread I get the impression that the comments weren't asking you to make a map, but to simply sketch something out to help readers understand your idea. You presented a wall of text to a bunch of people who have shown themselves to be visual learners.
Well, you've certainly convinced me that the opinions I've heard regarding the mapmaking area of the site were accurate. That's ok...the tournament area will benefit.
It does seem odd that the group seems to take pride in such a reputation, though. But I can see no other explanation than pride for what I'm seeing.
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...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
sailorseal wrote:That is the problem with ideas, you can't get a discussion going until you have a map and sadly that is just the way it is
The MapMakers own Guide disagrees with you.
As well, I disagree completely. A well-fleshed-out idea is just as prepared for discussion as a poorly-drawn map. My initial post in that thread laid out the premise of the map quite well, so that anyone reading it certainly would be able to understand the map concept enough to at least give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down regarding whether it was worth pursuing or not.
Some ideas sound good and maybe look good on paper but when drawn they reveal that the idea is terrible, so approval cannot really be given until you see a map.
Allow me to type slowly, so that you won't have as much trouble reading it...I wasn't looking for APPROVAL, I was looking for OPINION. A far different thing.
Actually your past posts tell us that you were looking for approval which in this case is the same hing as an OPINION because the only opinion you wanted was a yes or no, which would be the same as apporoval
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Woodruff wrote:Well, you've certainly convinced me that the opinions I've heard regarding the mapmaking area of the site were accurate. That's ok...the tournament area will benefit.
It does seem odd that the group seems to take pride in such a reputation, though. But I can see no other explanation than pride for what I'm seeing.
Please read oak's comment above
Last edited by sailorseal on Sat May 02, 2009 9:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
sailorseal wrote:That is the problem with ideas, you can't get a discussion going until you have a map and sadly that is just the way it is
The MapMakers own Guide disagrees with you.
As well, I disagree completely. A well-fleshed-out idea is just as prepared for discussion as a poorly-drawn map. My initial post in that thread laid out the premise of the map quite well, so that anyone reading it certainly would be able to understand the map concept enough to at least give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down regarding whether it was worth pursuing or not.
Some ideas sound good and maybe look good on paper but when drawn they reveal that the idea is terrible, so approval cannot really be given until you see a map.
Allow me to type slowly, so that you won't have as much trouble reading it...I wasn't looking for APPROVAL, I was looking for OPINION. A far different thing.
Actually your past posts tell us that you were looking for approval which in this case is the same hing as an OPINION because the only opinion you wanted was a yes or no, which would be the same as apporoval
That is completely inaccurate...a "yes" would be approval...a "yes or no" would be opinion. This is really basic to the English language, sailorseal.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Woodruff wrote:
That is completely inaccurate...a "yes" would be approval...a "yes or no" would be opinion. This is really basic to the English language, sailorseal.
Look now you have resulted to flaming me, your map failed we are sorry, create your own topic if you want to get sympathy, this topic is for a different purpose
Woodruff wrote:
That is completely inaccurate...a "yes" would be approval...a "yes or no" would be opinion. This is really basic to the English language, sailorseal.
Look now you have resulted to flaming me, your map failed we are sorry, create your own topic if you want to get sympathy, this topic is for a different purpose
Flaming you? Please, sailorseal...WHERE OH WHERE did I flame you here? PLEASE point it out for me or apologize.
Thanks.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Woodruff wrote:
That is completely inaccurate...a "yes" would be approval...a "yes or no" would be opinion. This is really basic to the English language, sailorseal.
Look now you have resulted to flaming me, your map failed we are sorry, create your own topic if you want to get sympathy, this topic is for a different purpose
Flaming you? Please, sailorseal...WHERE OH WHERE did I flame you here? PLEASE point it out for me or apologize.
Thanks.
I beg of you, stop derailing and spamming this topic
Woodruff wrote:
That is completely inaccurate...a "yes" would be approval...a "yes or no" would be opinion. This is really basic to the English language, sailorseal.
Look now you have resulted to flaming me, your map failed we are sorry, create your own topic if you want to get sympathy, this topic is for a different purpose
Flaming you? Please, sailorseal...WHERE OH WHERE did I flame you here? PLEASE point it out for me or apologize.
Thanks.
I beg of you, stop derailing and spamming this topic
Is this your admission that there was no flame? Where's the apology?
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
