detoorteg + redkins4life [cleared]

[Routhy]

Accused:

detoorteg
redkins4life



The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 4912525


Comments:

I spotted Detoorteg using the 'deadbeat to preserve 5 cards' tactic, confronted him about it, only to see redkins4life jump to his immediate defence, so I checked Detoorteg's profile and hey presto, hundreds of his previous games have redkins4life in them, I confront both of them only to be bombarded with verbal abuse from both ingame.

[apb23]

just because they play games together don't mean they're using secret diplomacy to win. They could just be friends or something, but you never know.

APB

[Routhy]

Virutally every one of their games being together is highly suspicious, and it doesn't excuse the tyrade of verbal abuse.

[king sam]

I found only 13 games that they were in together. Not quite sure where you get this "hundreds" from..

Game 4912525, Game 4900469, Game 4867014, Game 4797827, Game 4744339, Game 4744122,
Game 4728916, Game 4694823, Game 4673941, Game 4582190, Game 4563174, Game 4366608
Game 4357753

detoorteg has won 3 of these 13
redkins4life has won 1 of them

detoorteg has completed almost 6000 games without redkins4life in them. And yes the chat he wrote in the box in the game you referenced shouldnt be tolerated but unless its habitual CC takes a liberal stance on that and will tell you to FOE and rate accordingly.

I think you have your numbers skewed a bit here and a quick check will show that these players have played minimal games together given the overall completion of games that detoorteg has played. If you looked at the games you will also notice that the majority of them are the same map and settings, and all Speed. Meaning that they probably have the same preference hence why they have played in games several times with one another.

I dont see anything wrong here to prove a secret alliance

Regards,
KS

[Rabid bunnies]

I agree with KingSam.

As for the comments he's made, yeah, they were clearly careless and abusive but they were brought on by an attitude of retaliation.

I find the same when people play freestyle, have to leave, then come back and play, someone is offended and makes comments about it. In this case, he missed a turn, he said he was busy and you decide to undermine his statement. You make the assumption that he wasn't busy even though he said he was. Furthermore, you not only assume it to yourself but you make a public statement in gamechat attacking his gameplay with a comment you were in no position to prove. Maybe he was moving in another game, if he wasn't, maybe his kid called him? Maybe his boss called him? Maybe he needed to go to the bathroom?

Yes what he said was abusive but I could also see where your comment irritated him. It was one thing to assume it and consider it yourself, but if you make your comment public, then he responds, you cannot shun off his response which he makes public. You commented on something with your suspicion, he responded saying he was busy, you refute his claim attacking his sportsmanship with no proof whatsoever.

(A bit of the "defense attourney-daughter" comming out of me here. When Selucid reads this she's going to have a fun rant herself lol.)

Jasmine

[Timminz]

detooreg is just really, really bad. He misses a lot of turns, and seems to join far too many speed games at a time. Unless you're playing 1v1, and have a bit of patience, you don't want to see him in one of your games.

[Selucid Empire]

I spotted Detoorteg using the 'deadbeat to preserve 5 cards' tactic,

You're sure? You're positive it was deliberate and pre-planned neglect of that game for that period of time? There wasn't an emergency? He didn't go do a favor for someone? He was plastered to his seat watching the timer waiting? He didn't explain himself? Wait... he did say he was busy. He even apologized. Go figure.

confronted him about it,

You sure did. To the point where you called him a liar when he responded.

only to see redkins4life jump to his immediate defence,

Aweful isn't it? Some people just can't mind their own business...

so I checked Detoorteg's profile

Naturally. What else was one to do the minute 1 player defends another?

and hey presto, hundreds of his previous games have redkins4life in them, I confront both of them only to be bombarded with verbal abuse from both ingame.

By "hundreds" you mean 13? Or did you look at the first page of games and assume that the rest had them too? Instead of judging based on Detoorteg's profile, go "Game Finder" then search for all games played "with player Detoorteg" and "RedSkins4life" Once I tried to see how often people played together and I looked at the profile page but didn't want to go through hundreds of games, so I went "Game Finder" and looked for all "completed games" "with player X and player Y"

No wonder he was cranky lol.

Theresa

[Selucid Empire]

LOL sis! you know me too well. I tried to be as polite as I could, honest.

[wolfpack0530]

dootereg is a complete dbag.

If you even try and attack him or break his bonus, he flies into a verbal tyrade, and becomes a suicide bomber, which ruins the game for everyone. I hope he gets banned.

[Selucid Empire]

The problem with that argument is that you are basically saying that he has no right to respond if you attack him.

If you attack a player, you don't reserve the right to have them not respond with as much force as they can give. If you don't feel that you can handle his attacking, then you should pick another target, if you do attack him, be prepared to be attacked back.

It's very weird to say: "I want to break this person's bonus... but I don't want them to throw everything they have at me and ruin my game."

If you attack them, be prepared for the consequences, if the consequences are small and they can't hurt you, then you've picked the target well by timing your assault, if by attacking that person you don't do enough damage to render them harmless... then you've just poked the bear.

Theresa

[yeti_c]

Detoorteg is on my foe list as he's a liability - I suggest anyone reading this topic do the same.

C.

[Timminz]

Detoorteg is on my foe list as he's a liability - I suggest anyone reading this topic do the same.

C.

+1

Well, he isn't on my foe list, but the only public games I play are 1v1, so there's no need for me to foe him.

[KoE_Sirius]

detooreg is just really, really bad. He misses a lot of turns, and seems to join far too many speed games at a time. Unless you're playing 1v1, and have a bit of patience, you don't want to see him in one of your games.

QFT...He plays very badly. Lift your hand up in the air and slam it down on the foe button.

[apb23]

To focus back on the accusations, I feel that no secret diplomacy was used by these players, but severe PM Abuse has definitely taken place. A warning should be issued, but besides that, these players have done nothing wrong.

APB

[GallantPellham]

teg and red,can't win even double teaming a private. They'll hear about this. you really should foe them if you can't take the heat. epically after accusing them of cheating. I wouldn't take that lightly either. teg is usually better in abuse than that, maybe he's slipping in his old age.

[GallantPellham]

To focus back on the accusations, I feel that no secret diplomacy was used by these players, but severe PM Abuse has definitely taken place. A warning should be issued, but besides that, these players have done nothing wrong.

APB

How do you know what they PM'd each other?? do you mean game chat?

[apb23]

Thanks for correcting me General Pellham...I saw the original accusation and rushed when I said that. I meant gamechat.

APB

[king achilles]

You guys just had an argument in the game chat. Accusing a player just because they had a number of games together and for someone else to take his side in an argument will not be a basis for a secret diplomacy. I have to side what the others said here. Cleared.