British European Elections

[Gypsys Kiss]

The short answer is too many middle managers, not enough doctors and nurses, the cleaning staff are contracted in and are not necessarily that cleanly, depends on where you live to what treatment you get in many cases. It needs an overhaul, but nobody seems to know how.

[nagerous]

I'll be voting Green and agreed with most people that Pedronicus there doesn't seem much logic in your thinking here.

Also, I'll be avoiding UKIP - as far as I'm concerned there just like a BNP for moderates (Don't mean to offend anyone here) with right-wing policies like this one:
* We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

Freezing immigration?! What the hell?

[Pedronicus]

Well at least I've got the balls to admit I'm going to vote BNP.
A lot of people will say anything to avoid looking like a racist, then when they get into the polling booth, and no one is watching stick an X next to the BNP member.

UKIP is a moderate version of BNP, but it seems to be more acceptable to say I'm voting UKIP.

We do need a freeze on immigration. we do need to deport more immigrants.

The last time I was involved in a car crash i was hit by an uninsured Bulgarian.
The last time I went to the doctors and was in the waiting room and the receptionist came out and announced to an Asian woman 'Your interpreter is here Mrs [insert foreign name]'
I live above an NHS dentist. Every time my doorbell goes and it's some idiot who has pressed the wrong doorbell, they are 95% foreign, unable to speak English. Unable to speak English, but very able to find the whereabouts of an NHS Dentist.
Down the road from me is an Islamic Bookshop, but it seems very strange that children of a certain age all go there on the same day at the same time. It's a fucking mosque with no planning permission, but because the local government employ loads of Muslims, they get away with it.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

[snufkin]

I´m not english but I´ve decided that this time I will actually consider the parliament group and not only the national party itself...
hmm................... done - no difference, the only grouping that doesn´t have insane people is EG-EFA.
Does this mean that I theoretically could be helping out in the struggle for welsh and scottish independence? ..and to legalise soft drugs?



..although it could also be great fun to vote for EUL-NGL with all the commies and Sinn Féin

[nagerous]

Well at least I've got the balls to admit I'm going to vote BNP.
A lot of people will say anything to avoid looking like a racist, then when they get into the polling booth, and no one is watching stick an X next to the BNP member.

UKIP is a moderate version of BNP, but it seems to be more acceptable to say I'm voting UKIP.

We do need a freeze on immigration. we do need to deport more immigrants.

The last time I was involved in a car crash i was hit by an uninsured Bulgarian.
The last time I went to the doctors and was in the waiting room and the receptionist came out and announced to an Asian woman 'Your interpreter is here Mrs [insert foreign name]'
I live above an NHS dentist. Every time my doorbell goes and it's some idiot who has pressed the wrong doorbell, they are 95% foreign, unable to speak English. Unable to speak English, but very able to find the whereabouts of an NHS Dentist.
Down the road from me is an Islamic Bookshop, but it seems very strange that children of a certain age all go there on the same day at the same time. It's a fucking mosque with no planning permission, but because the local government employ loads of Muslims, they get away with it.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

You really want to elect a bunch of idiots who think rape isn't bad and are linked with the KKK - http://uk.truveo.com/bnps-links-with-kkk/id/4149894948

Other BNP leaders have been caught out making racist comments on facebook, but the fact of the matter is they all have these strong views - but if you listen to Nick Griffin's speech (link above) they won't emphasise all these views until elected.


If you want to vote for a holocaust denier then its up to you, I can't stop you.

[DAZMCFC]

Well at least I've got the balls to admit I'm going to vote BNP.
A lot of people will say anything to avoid looking like a racist, then when they get into the polling booth, and no one is watching stick an X next to the BNP member.

UKIP is a moderate version of BNP, but it seems to be more acceptable to say I'm voting UKIP.

We do need a freeze on immigration. we do need to deport more immigrants.

The last time I was involved in a car crash i was hit by an uninsured Bulgarian.
The last time I went to the doctors and was in the waiting room and the receptionist came out and announced to an Asian woman 'Your interpreter is here Mrs [insert foreign name]'
I live above an NHS dentist. Every time my doorbell goes and it's some idiot who has pressed the wrong doorbell, they are 95% foreign, unable to speak English. Unable to speak English, but very able to find the whereabouts of an NHS Dentist.
Down the road from me is an Islamic Bookshop, but it seems very strange that children of a certain age all go there on the same day at the same time. It's a fucking mosque with no planning permission, but because the local government employ loads of Muslims, they get away with it.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

i applaud you Pedro.


now before you all jump down my throat, i couldn't give a shit about polotics. they are all a bunch of greedy bastards, always have been. i've never voted in my life and probably never will.

now you can argue the case that many men died for my right to vote, but they fought for my right to vote IF i want to. don't be telling me it's a wasted vote, because in my eyes they are all wasted.

i work hard for my wages and so does my missus. i get paid and spend it on what the f*ck i want to. i don't do illegal drugs.


i applauded Pedro, because he is not scared of speaking out about his situation.
the trouble in most working class areas are at the Doctors and Dentists where quite a lot of immagrants DO get preferrential treatment and it pisses people off. how much NHS money is spent on translaters? answer: fooking too much.

now i'm not a racist bigot, i would be a bit of a dick if i went to City and cheered on the likes SWP, Robinho, Richards and all the other coloured players that play for us and then be saying "f*ck them off".

[Pedronicus]

You really want to elect a bunch of idiots who think rape isn't bad and are linked with the KKK - http://uk.truveo.com/bnps-links-with-kkk/id/4149894948

Other BNP leaders have been caught out making racist comments on facebook, but the fact of the matter is they all have these strong views - but if you listen to Nick Griffin's speech (link above) they won't emphasise all these views until elected.

If you want to vote for a holocaust denier then its up to you, I can't stop you.

I'm not blind to the fact that this bunch of racists are going to be tied into other racist groups around the world, but as time has gone on, I can't see any economic advantage to this country of allowing the number of asylum seekers / eastern Europeans that we currently have.
Labour and the Tories have been shit for decades. Nu Liebore has been nothing more than the Tories with red rosettes.

Labour have no idea of how many illegals are in the country. They claim vague figures, that are about as believable as Darlings wildly optimistic Budget forecast.
I'm no economist and I don't work for customs down at Dover.
I just have to look at the level of work our firm has lost compared to last year, to see that this recession is far worse than they are portraying.
A quick visit to my local Morrison's and once I hear people start talking in Polish, Hungarian and a whole host of other languages that I can't recognise, it's pretty obvious that there is a massive amount of people that look English, but obviously aren't.

The mainstream politicians just tell the masses what they want to hear, fearful of losing some votes. The same old shit will just carry on. We're up to our eyes in debt through 30 years of the wrong sort of politics. Their collective failures have turned people like myself to give the far right a go.

Other political parties and the media will carry on scaremongering us not to "Let the racist bigots' get into power. They wouldn't of stood a chance of getting into power if everyone else had done a better job in the first place.

If an idiot that denies the holocaust wins, then blame Thatcher, Major, Blair and that one eyed Scottish cunt who won't call a general election because he's wringing every last drop out of his PM's wage packet before he HAS to call an election (and he knows that even he will lose his fucking seat.)

[pmchugh]

. i don't do illegal drugs.

Nice to know but I don't know what it has to do with politics

I still think you should vote, at least take a look and pick the lesser of many evils. Because you can't deny that who is in power will have an effect on your life so why not try and change it for the better?

[jonesthecurl]

You really want to elect a bunch of idiots who think rape isn't bad and are linked with the KKK - http://uk.truveo.com/bnps-links-with-kkk/id/4149894948

Other BNP leaders have been caught out making racist comments on facebook, but the fact of the matter is they all have these strong views - but if you listen to Nick Griffin's speech (link above) they won't emphasise all these views until elected.

If you want to vote for a holocaust denier then its up to you, I can't stop you.

I'm not blind to the fact that this bunch of racists are going to be tied into other racist groups around the world, but as time has gone on, I can't see any economic advantage to this country of allowing the number of asylum seekers / eastern Europeans that we currently have.
Labour and the Tories have been shit for decades. Nu Liebore has been nothing more than the Tories with red rosettes.

Labour have no idea of how many illegals are in the country. They claim vague figures, that are about as believable as Darlings wildly optimistic Budget forecast.
I'm no economist and I don't work for customs down at Dover.
I just have to look at the level of work our firm has lost compared to last year, to see that this recession is far worse than they are portraying.
A quick visit to my local Morrison's and once I hear people start talking in Polish, Hungarian and a whole host of other languages that I can't recognise, it's pretty obvious that there is a massive amount of people that look English, but obviously aren't.

The mainstream politicians just tell the masses what they want to hear, fearful of losing some votes. The same old shit will just carry on. We're up to our eyes in debt through 30 years of the wrong sort of politics. Their collective failures have turned people like myself to give the far right a go.

Other political parties and the media will carry on scaremongering us not to "Let the racist bigots' get into power. They wouldn't of stood a chance of getting into power if everyone else had done a better job in the first place.

If an idiot that denies the holocaust wins, then blame Thatcher, Major, Blair and that one eyed Scottish cunt who won't call a general election because he's wringing every last drop out of his PM's wage packet before he HAS to call an election (and he knows that even he will lose his fucking seat.)

I stilll don't see the logic of voting for Dracula just because you don't like Jack the Ripper.

[thegreekdog]

What if your only choices are Dracula or Jack the Ripper (in the case of the US)? In the English case, I guess it would be Dracula, Jack the Ripper, Frankenstein and the Mummy.

[jonesthecurl]

My point is that rejecting each of the two parties that've had a go in the last century or so is understandable, but not in favour transparent villains who would be far worse than either.
If the vote is ONLY between Jack and Drac, you decide which you like least and vote against them, or of course form your own party (The Rocky Horror party).

[thegreekdog]

My point is that rejecting each of the two parties that've had a go in the last century or so is understandable, but not in favour transparent villains who would be far worse than either.
If the vote is ONLY between Jack and Drac, you decide which you like least and vote against them, or of course form your own party (The Rocky Horror party).

God bless America...

[Pedronicus]

My point is that rejecting each of the two parties that've had a go in the last century or so is understandable, but not in favour transparent villains who would be far worse than either.

What we've had have been worse than transparent villains. They've been shadowy opaque villains. Give me a villain I know who's going to be a villain and I'll know where I am.

I'm surprised that the biggest British Political scandal in living memory (MP's expenses) hasn't been posted in this thread before now.

Back to the BNP

[Snorri1234]

We do need a freeze on immigration. we do need to deport more immigrants.

No man, you just only need to let the fit women in.

[DAZMCFC]

. i don't do illegal drugs.

Nice to know but I don't know what it has to do with politics

I still think you should vote, at least take a look and pick the lesser of many evils. Because you can't deny that who is in power will have an effect on your life so why not try and change it for the better?

Hugh you're right it has f*ck all to do with polotics, i was just saying i work hard and not a druggie. i couldn't give 2 shits about any of the parties. it doesn't matter who the f*ck gets in, they all screw you eventually.


i would like to say the voting of the Irwell Riverside is just down the road from me. the only canvassing done around here were BNP leaflets. Labour know it's a safe seat and tories can't be arsed it seems.

[brooksieb]

Don't just be an idiot and not vote...

Every vote counts as a system of proportional representation.

Political apathy from a disinterested liberal majority will result in far right candidates winning seats.

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0uHWxh ... r_embedded

Don't just be an idiot and scaremonger...

So what if the BNP get in? Everybody has free speech and can do whatever they want, we don't want witch hunting if people vote BNP, it's their choice at the end of the day and we are not North Korea after all.

[brooksieb]

I'll be voting Green and agreed with most people that Pedronicus there doesn't seem much logic in your thinking here.

Also, I'll be avoiding UKIP - as far as I'm concerned there just like a BNP for moderates (Don't mean to offend anyone here) with right-wing policies like this one:
* We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

Freezing immigration?! What the hell?

How is freezing immigration a right wing stance? There is not enough jobs for everybody, freezing immigration for atleast 5 years is a good thing, it'll relieve preassure on immigrants and the Native British people.

[Frigidus]

See, this is what happens when you have multiple legitimate parties; you have your two standard parties full of assholes, just with a bunch of crazy bigots on the side.

[nagerous]

Don't just be an idiot and not vote...

Every vote counts as a system of proportional representation.

Political apathy from a disinterested liberal majority will result in far right candidates winning seats.

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0uHWxh ... r_embedded

Don't just be an idiot and scaremonger...

So what if the BNP get in? Everybody has free speech and can do whatever they want, we don't want witch hunting if people vote BNP, it's their choice at the end of the day and we are not North Korea after all.

How am I being an idiot and a scaremonger? I have posted legitimate quotes by BNP leaders, highlighting that these should not be individuals are given power... Lets ignore their policies on immigration etc. and what you think of them all. I have also not in any of my posts said anything about witch hunting or attacking those who do choose to vote for them, so please do not flame.

I also appreciate that there is a lot of hate towards the main parties at the moment and don't think for one second that I don't think that its despicable. However, what I am trying to say is reacting by voting for the BNP will not get your problems solved.

Contrary to popular belief there are not actually that many left wing British posters on this website, most of those who do post from Britain here are right wing but maybe it is because these views can be posted with anonymity as in the outside world as someone said, admitting to voting BNP would get you scorned upon.

And in all honesty, rightly so.. voting them is not the solution to problems. Do you really think they would not be as corrupt as f*ck once put in a position of power, the fact is they would probably be 100 x as corrupt.

I personally am proud of Britain's rich cultural identity and I live in a diverse area where there are people of all colours. This does not bother me and in fact when walking in the streets I am 9 times out of 10 more likely to be intimidated by a gang of white youths with skinheads than anyone of a different ethnic origin. I know you guys feel strongly about national pride and wanting to send immigrants back to their own countries, but often their own countries are in fact terrible places to live in which are poverty stricken and I am proud to welcome them into my country, as long as the infrastructure can take it.. it isn't like Britain has a massive problem with a rapidly expanding population.

[brooksieb]

Don't just be an idiot and not vote...

Every vote counts as a system of proportional representation.

Political apathy from a disinterested liberal majority will result in far right candidates winning seats.

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0uHWxh ... r_embedded

Don't just be an idiot and scaremonger...

So what if the BNP get in? Everybody has free speech and can do whatever they want, we don't want witch hunting if people vote BNP, it's their choice at the end of the day and we are not North Korea after all.

How am I being an idiot and a scaremonger? I have posted legitimate quotes by BNP leaders, highlighting that these should not be individuals are given power... Lets ignore their policies on immigration etc. and what you think of them all. I have also not in any of my posts said anything about witch hunting or attacking those who do choose to vote for them, so please do not flame.

I also appreciate that there is a lot of hate towards the main parties at the moment and don't think for one second that I don't think that its despicable. However, what I am trying to say is reacting by voting for the BNP will not get your problems solved.

Contrary to popular belief there are not actually that many left wing British posters on this website, most of those who do post from Britain here are right wing but maybe it is because these views can be posted with anonymity as in the outside world as someone said, admitting to voting BNP would get you scorned upon.

And in all honesty, rightly so.. voting them is not the solution to problems. Do you really think they would not be as corrupt as f*ck once put in a position of power, the fact is they would probably be 100 x as corrupt.

I personally am proud of Britain's rich cultural identity and I live in a diverse area where there are people of all colours. This does not bother me and in fact when walking in the streets I am 9 times out of 10 more likely to be intimidated by a gang of white youths with skinheads than anyone of a different ethnic origin. I know you guys feel strongly about national pride and wanting to send immigrants back to their own countries, but often their own countries are in fact terrible places to live in which are poverty stricken and I am proud to welcome them into my country, as long as the infrastructure can take it.. it isn't like Britain has a massive problem with a rapidly expanding population.

Labour and the Conservatives are tried and tested and they seem pretty corrupt to me, i think you won't see their true colours until they are actually voted in, maybe they will be for the better, maybe they will be for the worse, i too live in a diverse area in London, i also find it odd that my grandson had told me in a PSHE lesson they were learning about Democracy and the BNP and the teacher was force feeding them how bad the BNP is, what strikes me is that this is being fed to children in a public school is staggering, it's like what you would get in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. (bare in mind he is along with another child the only white child in his class)

[barnabus]

Is "European independence" the only platfrom of the UKIP party?

I wish US politics were like this... stupid two party system...

No. Below is a brief summary....taken from the website

* UKIP will leave the political EU and trade globally and freely. We will re-embrace today’s fast-growing Commonwealth and we will encourage UK manufacturing so that we make things again.
* We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.
* We will have a grammar school in every town. We will restore standards of education and improve skills training. Student grants will replace student loans.
* We will radically reform the working of the NHS with an Insurance Fund, whilst upholding the ‘free at the point of care’ principles. We will bring back matrons and have locally run, clean hospitals.
* We will give people the vote on policing priorities, go back to proper beat policing and scrap the Human Rights Act. We will have sentences that mean what they say.
* We will take 4.5 million people out of tax with a simple Flat Tax (with National Insurance) starting at £10,000. We will scrap Inheritance Tax, not just reform it and cut corporation taxes.
* We will say No to green taxes and wind farms. To avert a major energy crisis, we will go for new nuclear power plants on the same existing site facilities and for clean coal. We will reduce pollution and encourage recycling.
* We will make welfare simpler and fairer, introduce ‘workfare’ to get people back to work, and a new citizens pension and private pensions scheme insurance.
* We will support our armed forces with more spending on equipment, military homes and medical care. We will save our threatened warships and add 25,000 more troops.
* We will be fair to England, with an English Parliament of English MPs at Westminster. We will replace assembly members like MSPs with MPs. And we will promote referenda at local and national levels.
* We will make customer satisfaction number one for rail firms – not cost cutting and will look seriously at reopening some rail lines that Beeching closed. We will make foreign lorries pay for British roads with a ‘Britdisc’ – and we will stop persecuting motorists.
* Last, but never least, we will bring in fair prices and fair competition for our suffering farmers, and restore traditional British fishing and territorial waters.

A man who has obviously made the effort to research europe a litte.

Ever read 'the great deception'?

Quality book.

[Pedronicus]

I live in a diverse area where there are people of all colours.

So come on then Nag, where do you live in England? - Me, I live in Walthamstow. It's about as multi cultural as it gets. It's right in the middle of where all the black on black teenage stabbings happen regularly.

This does not bother me and in fact when walking in the streets I am 9 times out of 10 more likely to be intimidated by a gang of white youths with skinheads than anyone of a different ethnic origin.

Living in Walthamstow I don't see any gangs of youthful white skin heads. A gang of white skinheads would be in the minority and get their heads stoved in by gangs of Turks, Somalis or any other ethnic group.

I know you guys feel strongly about national pride and wanting to send immigrants back to their own countries, but often their own countries are in fact terrible places to live in which are poverty stricken and I am proud to welcome them into my country, as long as the infrastructure can take it.. it isn't like Britain has a massive problem with a rapidly expanding population.

If their own countries are so terrible, why not stay at home and solve the problem instead of coming here?
Once they get here, they moan like f*ck and end up planning how to suicide bomb westerners.

All I want to know Nag is... Where the f*ck do you live? To lord it over me with your self righteous ethic bollox...

[nagerous]

Just wow... this issue really gets to you... have fun voting the BNP.

Walthamstow eh? Sounds like a lovely area:
http://www.yre.org.uk/nopasaran/2003/np6.html

Oh and Southampton.

[barnabus]

Southampton is a shit hole.

Gangs of white youths with skinheads...in southampton?? You're making that up to start, unless of course you refer to the great numbers of poles who have entred that area.

The inbred white folk who live in that delapidated hole warble about in rags, dribbling and muttering to themselves.

[neanderpaul14]

Wait a minute are guys voting for who gets to your next King??