God is the Original Personal Archetype

[Snorri1234]

WOOPWOOP! MOAR TROLLS!

[Woodruff]

...We're not actually scared....

Not actually scared, huh? Just pretending to be scared?

Did your mathematical skills lead you to equating "pity" with "scared"?

[SultanOfSurreal]

Snorri and the cerealsultan say this is a 450 year old argument that has been debunked. So why not post how it was debunked? It sounds like a logical premise to me, and i'm sure a refutation would be more interesting than any of the catty, spammish replies that i've heard so far. What are you two scared of?


Honibaz

klobber's troll is a clumsy example of cartesian dualism and hinges entirely on the separateness of the mind from the physical world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(p ... y_of_mind)

this shit was clever in 1650, not so much today

[Timminz]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... =8&t=88068

[b.k. barunt]

Snorri and the cerealsultan say this is a 450 year old argument that has been debunked. So why not post how it was debunked? It sounds like a logical premise to me, and i'm sure a refutation would be more interesting than any of the catty, spammish replies that i've heard so far. What are you two scared of?


Honibaz

We're not actually scared. If you had made this thread I would've responded and it would've made for an interesting discussion.


It's just that we either mock or don't respond to such an infuriating troll. Hell, you would respond the same to prowler and his shit posts.

Guess i can't argue with that.


Honibaz

[xelabale]

Well, you see the atheist says that in actual fact there is a dualistic plurality that...

Screw this, I LOVE FISHSTICKS! But what sauce to put on it?

Seriously though I'm kinda sad, no more klotes, no more klobberfacts, no more bullklit. I'm gonna miss it.

[KLOBBER]

Snorri and the cerealsultan say this is a 450 year old argument that has been debunked. So why not post how it was debunked? It sounds like a logical premise to me, and i'm sure a refutation would be more interesting than any of the catty, spammish replies that i've heard so far. What are you two scared of?


Honibaz

klobber's troll is a clumsy example of cartesian dualism and hinges entirely on the separateness of the mind from the physical world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(p ... y_of_mind)

this shit was clever in 1650, not so much today

Wrong. My post is not a "troll," it is the OP, and it makes no reference to the mind being separate from the physical world. You have committed the straw man logical fallacy.

I wrote it last week, not in 1650, and whatever "shit" you may see is coming from your consciousness, not mine.

I am the OP, you are trolling.

[xelabale]

Well, you see the atheist says that in actual fact there is a dualistic plurality that...

Screw this, I LOVE FISHSTICKS! But what sauce to put on it?

Seriously though I'm kinda sad, no more klotes, no more klobberfacts, no more bullklit. I'm gonna miss it.

Actually, no I'm not

[KLOBBER]

You are, you're not... next I suppose you'll say you are again? Make up your mind, dude!

[SultanOfSurreal]

Snorri and the cerealsultan say this is a 450 year old argument that has been debunked. So why not post how it was debunked? It sounds like a logical premise to me, and i'm sure a refutation would be more interesting than any of the catty, spammish replies that i've heard so far. What are you two scared of?


Honibaz

klobber's troll is a clumsy example of cartesian dualism and hinges entirely on the separateness of the mind from the physical world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(p ... y_of_mind)

this shit was clever in 1650, not so much today

Wrong. My post is not a "troll," it is the OP, and it makes no reference to the mind being separate from the physical world. You have committed the straw man logical fallacy.

I wrote it last week, not in 1650, and whatever "shit" you may see is coming from your consciousness, not mine.

I am the OP, you are trolling.

lol, ok, i'll bite

if there is nothing extra-physical about the human mind then why do you posit that a god is necessary for the existence of the mind, or as you call it "personal experience"

[KLOBBER]

I did not posit that God was necessary for the existence of the human mind -- my original post did not even mention the human mind. You need to re-read what I actually posted in order to have a rational discussion about it, as you are engaging in pure straw-man fallacies here, up to this point, in-between your trolling and low-class vulgarities.

[SultanOfSurreal]

I did not posit that God was necessary for the existence of the human mind -- my original post did not even mention the human mind. You need to re-read what I actually posted in order to have a rational discussion about it, as you are engaging in pure straw-man fallacies here, up to this point, in-between your trolling and low-class vulgarities.

you really don't get things

the mind is, in this sense, the non-physical part of the human brain which gives birth to human experience, emotion, reason, and so forth. you just happened to use a really dumb phrase in lieu of it, presumably because you have the vocabulary of an eighth grader who wants to sound like a grownup

in any case, whatever the hell it was you were on about w/r/t the unique nature of humans in relation to the universe, why is god necessary for it

[KLOBBER]

...the mind is, in this sense, the non-physical part of the human brain....

Again, my post did not mention the human mind, nor did it mention the brain, but your beliefs in their regard are fascinating.

I have never seen any evidence that the mind is non-physical, nor that it is "part of the human brain." Also, since the human brain IS physical, it is illogical for you to believe that it has any non-physical part, be it the mind or any other part. Can you provide any evidence for these three strange beliefs of yours?

Also, by "non-physical," do you mean "spiritual?" Or do you mean "material," but outside the scope of physics?

[SultanOfSurreal]

...the mind is, in this sense, the non-physical part of the human brain....

I have never seen any evidence that the mind is non-physical, nor that it is "part of the human brain." Also, since the human brain IS physical, it is illogical for you to believe that it has any non-physical part, be it the mind or any other part. Can you provide any evidence for these three strange beliefs of yours?

Also, by "non-physical," do you mean "spiritual?" Or do you mean "material," but outside the scope of physics?

i do not believe the human mind is separate from the human brain. i was providing a definition of what you were saying with your incredibly lame "personal experiences therefore god" argument

[KLOBBER]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

Are you capable of discussing ANYTHING without using straw-man fallacies, vulgarity, or both?

Neither one of us believes that the human mind is separate from the human brain, and so it is very bizarre that you should bring up the concept independently, and inject it into the conversation.

Same for your phrase "personal experiences therefore God." I never said it, and it is nothing more than another straw-man fallacy on your part. Are you actually reading some other text than the one that I posted? I'm beginning to suspect, seriously, that this is the case.

What I actually posted is clear, is not anything like whatever it is that you may be attempting to refute, and it appears, for your convenience, at the beginning of this very thread.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

please kindly explain then what is so unique about people that only god could have created it

tia

[KLOBBER]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

please kindly explain then what is so unique about people that only god could have created it

tia

Are you positing here that God created people, or that God created something in people? I did not posit any such thing. Seriously, dude, read my OP before attempting to comment on it. So far, from your end, it's straw-man, straw-man, straw-man, right down the line.

My OP does NOT mention the concept of "creation" at all. Are you a creationist?

[SultanOfSurreal]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

please kindly explain then what is so unique about people that only god could have created it

tia

Are you positing here that God created people, or that God created something in people? I did not posit any such thing. Seriously, dude, read my OP before attempting to comment on it. So far, from your end, it's straw-man, straw-man, straw-man, right down the line.

My OP does NOT mention the concept of "creation" at all. Are you a creationist?

lol

[KLOBBER]

I guess not -- neither am I.

Are you drunk, then? You are behaving as if you are -- VERY drunk.

[Snorri1234]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

please kindly explain then what is so unique about people that only god could have created it

tia

Are you positing here that God created people, or that God created something in people? I did not posit any such thing. Seriously, dude,

Actually, you did. According to you God is the source for life.

[KLOBBER]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

please kindly explain then what is so unique about people that only god could have created it

tia

Are you positing here that God created people, or that God created something in people? I did not posit any such thing. Seriously, dude,

Actually, you did. According to you God is the source for life.

Aha! An actual (somewhat) accurate paraphrase -- congratulations, you have finally graduated from pure straw-man fallacies mixed with ignorant trolling and low-class vulgarities to the beginning of an actual debate!

According to God, not according to me, He is the source of all other life, yes.

A source is not necessarily a creator, however -- to assume so is illogical, and it also shows that the concept of creation is foremost in your consciousness, as I did not mention it at all, but you injected the concept into this conversation independently. In that sense, you are a creationist.

I'll be happy to explain the difference between the two concepts of sourcing and creating, if you actually need me to. If not, we can move on from here.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Your explanation is your explanation, not mine.

please kindly explain then what is so unique about people that only god could have created it

tia

Are you positing here that God created people, or that God created something in people? I did not posit any such thing. Seriously, dude,

Actually, you did. According to you God is the source for life.

Aha! An actual (somewhat)accurate paraphrase -- congratulations, you have finally graduated from pure straw-man fallacies mixed with ignorant trolling and low-class vulgarities to the beginning of an actual debate!

According to God, not according to me, He is the source of all other life, yes.

A source is not necessarily a creator, however -- to assume so is illogical, and it also shows that the concept of creation is foremost in your consciousness, as I did not mention it at all, but you injected the concept into this conversation independently. In that sense, you are a creationist.

I can easily explain the difference between the concept of sourcing and creating, if you actually need me to.

so are you saying god just ate some mexican food that didn't agree with him one night and shat adam and eve out the next morning

[KLOBBER]

Too bad. You're back in low-class, vulgar, straw-man land, and there is no possibility of you ever debating intelligently. I had high hopes when you posted a single nearly accurate paraphrase in-between your multiple straw-man fallacies, but a camel is a camel, and an ass is an ass, and I can't expect any lower animal to consistently manifest human, or even humanoid, qualities.

I was honestly trying to help you, but some individuals are simply hopeless. This is obviously the case with you.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Too bad. You're back in low-class, vulgar, straw-man land, and I'm beginning to lose hope for the possibility of you ever debating intelligently. I was honestly trying to help you, but some individuals are simply hopeless. This is obviously the case with you.

ohhhh i get it

he jerked us off into existence, right

[KLOBBER]

so are you saying god just ate some mexican food that didn't agree with him one night and shat adam and eve out the next morning

ohhhh i get it

he jerked us off into existence, right

Wow. You are a dirty, potty-mouthed "intellectual lightweight" whose ignorance truly knows no bounds.

I was prepared for this, though, as such ignorant behavior and inability to think rationally or to debate like an adult is par for the course, for the atheist.