Gnome Puzzle

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:42 pm

I saw this puzzle explained on TV one time.

Timminz · Post by **Timminz** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:02 pm

Nice bump. All relevant, and shit.

I got it, but it wasn't immediate. Well, I got it, as long as the gnomes know how many gnomes are behind them.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:14 pm

Oh God, who bumped this.... I couldn't do it back then and surely won't be able to right now considering I can barely see my monitor.

e_i_pi · Post by **e_i_pi** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:26 pm

sully800 wrote:

Anyone else notice the irony of this diagram, posted over 2 years ago?

Spoiler

a) The gnomes that have been given the flick are wearing blue hats
b) Wicked is the only gnome on the wrong side of the fence
c) The 3 gnomes on the left honestly think that Mozilla is enough to keep Wicked out
d) All of the above
e) Uh... why are they are bending over?

Simon Viavant · Post by **Simon Viavant** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:35 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:How long until somebody maliciously posts the answer? I'm taking bets here...

I'm sorely temped to.

john9blue · Post by **john9blue** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:50 pm

I got it. You should say that the gnomes know the position of every other gnome.

Simon Viavant · Post by **Simon Viavant** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:52 pm

john9blue wrote:I got it. You should say that the gnomes know the position of every other gnome.

No, Sully said it's not a loophole like that.
Should I maliciously spoil it?

john9blue · Post by **john9blue** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:03 am

Simon Viavant wrote:No, Sully said it's not a loophole like that.
Should I maliciously spoil it?

I mean, if the gnomes don't know how many are behind them, then the solution doesn't work.

Also, don't spoil it, it's not that hard. You just need to think about what the gnomes know, and what they can gather from other gnomes' actions.

Simon Viavant · Post by **Simon Viavant** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:31 am

That information is not necessary to solve it.

john9blue · Post by **john9blue** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:11 am

Simon Viavant wrote:That information is not necessary to solve it.

Yeah it is. One of the gnomes has to know if there is someone behind him for the puzzle to work.

Simon Viavant · Post by **Simon Viavant** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:25 am

Oh yeah.

I thought you were looking for some loophole.

And I think you just spoiled it BTW (not that it was that hard)

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:10 am

Aaaah, now I get it. I've been unusually slow with these puzzles.

Mr. Squirrel · Post by **Mr. Squirrel** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:46 am

Are all of the gnomes supposed to be able to name their hat by the end of it, or only one or two?

SultanOfSurreal · Post by **SultanOfSurreal** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:06 am

Mr. Squirrel wrote:Are all of the gnomes supposed to be able to name their hat by the end of it, or only one or two?

only one.

flashleg8 · Post by **flashleg8** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:19 am

SultanOfSurreal wrote:
Mr. Squirrel wrote:Are all of the gnomes supposed to be able to name their hat by the end of it, or only one or two?
only one.

I reckon two can name their hat colour (One before the other though...)

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:22 am

Two gnomes can get it, one gets it first, and when (and if) he says the answer out loud one other will also know. The remaining two are left to stand there for ever and ever.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:49 am

Poor gnomes.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:52 am

Haha, I'm an idiot. Ifigured it.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:50 am

Think I got it.

SultanOfSurreal · Post by **SultanOfSurreal** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:55 am

MeDeFe wrote:Two gnomes can get it, one gets it first, and when (and if) he says the answer out loud one other will also know. The remaining two are left to stand there for ever and ever.

on second thought you're correct, assuming the second gnome hears and knows the position of the first to suss it out, which i believed was established as possible

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:00 am

I must be doing it wrong, then, because the way I've got it figured, once the first two speak up, the other two will know. Somehow I've got it where the first two who know have the same color hat. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

EDIT: I've pretty much decided that after the second gnome speaks up, everyone knows the color of their own hat.

john9blue · Post by **john9blue** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:12 am

I'm with MDF on this one, I don't know how Neo got his answer. PM Sully if you want to puss out.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:16 am

Neoteny wrote:I must be doing it wrong, then, because the way I've got it figured, once the first two speak up, the other two will know. Somehow I've got it where the first two who know have the same color hat. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

EDIT: I've pretty much decided that after the second gnome speaks up, everyone knows the color of their own hat.

Well, thinking about it I don't see how the other two could ever guess right.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:18 am

:[ I must be doing it wrong then...

Timminz · Post by **Timminz** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:21 am

Snorri1234 wrote:
Neoteny wrote:I must be doing it wrong, then, because the way I've got it figured, once the first two speak up, the other two will know. Somehow I've got it where the first two who know have the same color hat. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

EDIT: I've pretty much decided that after the second gnome speaks up, everyone knows the color of their own hat.
Well, thinking about it I don't see how the other two could ever guess right.

They couldn't.

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