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OJ Simpson and Lizzie Borden were both found innocent, so the argument of "not proven in a court of law" doesn't always apply. Many statements he made about him not having a problem sharing his bed with boys and the out of court settlements all cast serious doubt upon his "clean" record. Two of the jurors in the original case regretted his acquittal and would reverse their decisions today. The "splotched" penis was photographed by detectives and after the photo session, Jackson settled out of court. Why? Too much smoke for there not to be fire.Prankcall wrote:This is a bit outlandish to say.It was never proven in a court of law!!!People are hated and targeted when you have lots of money or a means to improve their lives.This guy was a great humanitarian and constantly helping one cause or another,alot more than any of us have done for our species.Fireside Poet wrote:I'll sleep a bit more soundly tonight knowing there's one less pedophile prowling the streets. Sympathy = Zero
Wow, Pelosi and Obama want to heighten taxes for the "energy crisis" ... how shocking.karel wrote:I can't believe you guys are still talking about this loser,so sick of hearing about him....
But i bet no one knows what is going on today that will affect everyone of us...so fricking sad
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090626/ap_ ... imate_bill
Maybe if Obama spreads the wealth, we can all afford to pay these taxes too... along with TARP, the stimulus bailouts and reformed health care. Change Zombies ... run for cover!
I can't resistkarel wrote:I can't believe you guys are still talking about this loser,so sick of hearing about him....
But i bet no one knows what is going on today that will affect everyone of us...so fricking sad
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090626/ap_ ... imate_bill
I've never smelt creepy. Is it a nice smell that tries to get you to like it, or is it a nasty smell?King_Herpes wrote:He was a creep, plain and simple. He looked creepy, talked creepy, walked creepy, danced creepy, sung creepy, acted creepy, dressed creepy, and probably smelled creepy.
No, it's more of a creepy smell.Pedronicus wrote:I've never smelt creepy. Is it a nice smell that tries to get you to like it, or is it a nasty smell?King_Herpes wrote:He was a creep, plain and simple. He looked creepy, talked creepy, walked creepy, danced creepy, sung creepy, acted creepy, dressed creepy, and probably smelled creepy.
And boy does it taste good.PLAYER57832 wrote:I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.
I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.
The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.
Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.
Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.
I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.
But, whatever you say remember 2 things.
1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.
2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.
PLAYER57832 wrote:I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.
I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.
The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.
Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.
Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.
I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.
But, whatever you say remember 2 things.
1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.
2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.
You can't quite smell yourself the way others smell you...Pedronicus wrote:I've never smelt creepy. Is it a nice smell that tries to get you to like it, or is it a nasty smell?King_Herpes wrote:He was a creep, plain and simple. He looked creepy, talked creepy, walked creepy, danced creepy, sung creepy, acted creepy, dressed creepy, and probably smelled creepy.
WTF?! What rule not to be left alone with kids? You are a fucking weirdoPLAYER57832 wrote:I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL.
b.k. barunt wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.
I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.
The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.
Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.
Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.
I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.
But, whatever you say remember 2 things.
1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.
2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.
Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!
How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer. Hell, if Hitler could carry a tune i guess he too would have a place in your heart.
Sorry, but i have no sympathy for paedophiles, and when someone brings such a charge against you, you don't settle out of court - you fight to the death to clear your name, unless of course you're guilty.
Honibaz
In organisations like the scouts it is common practice not to leave any kid alone with an adult. Same with teacher, pupils. However, I don't think it should be limited to just opposite sex as the vast amount of paedophiles seem to be bi.Lord+Master wrote:WTF?! What rule not to be left alone with kids? You are a fucking weirdoPLAYER57832 wrote:I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL.
only quite good at singing and only pretty good at dancing, are you having a giggle??? I'd like to see any of you try the moves MJ pulled on the dancefloor and his videos and sing to his quality. He was a genius but had severe psychological issues too, which stemmed partly from his abusive upbringing from his father.Falkomagno wrote:Well, all have to admit that the guy was an Icon, since the thread "Farrah dead" even exist and this have 136 post and 11 pages so far.
He was a quite good singer.
He was a pretty good dancer
His personal life was a completly mess (with pedophilia, change of skin color, surgeries, bankrupts and all the kind of stuff that the mass enjoy the most to knowing about).
Great contribution... I wonder what they'll say when you die?? 'Fat f*ck who sat around at the computer most of the time and achieved nothing noteworthy with his life' ??Martin Ronne wrote:He danced like a moron and sang like one too.
I actually tried....the back dancing thing...nagerous wrote:only quite good at singing and only pretty good at dancing, are you having a giggle??? I'd like to see any of you try the moves MJ pulled on the dancefloor and his videos and sing to his quality. He was a genius but had severe psychological issues too, which stemmed partly from his abusive upbringing from his father.Falkomagno wrote:Well, all have to admit that the guy was an Icon, since the thread "Farrah dead" even exist and this have 136 post and 11 pages so far.
He was a quite good singer.
He was a pretty good dancer
His personal life was a completly mess (with pedophilia, change of skin color, surgeries, bankrupts and all the kind of stuff that the mass enjoy the most to knowing about).
Having an opinion that differs from yours doesn't make a hypocrite by the way... FYI no-one's said anything bad about the music!nagerous wrote:Bunch of internet losers hiding behind their anonymity to write vicious things about perhaps one of the greatest ever musicians and also an amazing dancer. Why am I not surprised? You're all fucked up hypocrites, but who am I to talk. Slur MJ for his personal life all you want but I'll always be a fan of his music - and he was an African-American icon and will always be regardless of what most of you jumped up snobs want to say.
Spot on mateDAZMCFC wrote:b.k. barunt wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.
I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.
The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.
Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.
Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.
I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.
But, whatever you say remember 2 things.
1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.
2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.
Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!
How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer. Hell, if Hitler could carry a tune i guess he too would have a place in your heart.
Sorry, but i have no sympathy for paedophiles, and when someone brings such a charge against you, you don't settle out of court - you fight to the death to clear your name, unless of course you're guilty.
Honibaz
BK, too true. why settle out off court when you are innocent. this bloke was a kiddy fiddleler. just read Jimbobs post if he wasn't.
I'm not saying that, you're twisting my words and obviously I wouldn't let him near any of my nephews etc. but I am trying to make the point that it seems that everyone is focusing on the negatives of his life when people should be mourning about the great loss to the music world. It is just classic behaviour of people to focus on other negatives and it is normally to hide insecurities in their own lives and own personal flaws and that is the hypocrisy I was trying to point out - I never meant to imply theres a paedo in all of usLord+Master wrote:Having an opinion that differs from yours doesn't make a hypocrite by the way... FYI no-one's said anything bad about the music!nagerous wrote:Bunch of internet losers hiding behind their anonymity to write vicious things about perhaps one of the greatest ever musicians and also an amazing dancer. Why am I not surprised? You're all fucked up hypocrites, but who am I to talk. Slur MJ for his personal life all you want but I'll always be a fan of his music - and he was an African-American icon and will always be regardless of what most of you jumped up snobs want to say.
Common practice? In officialdom there is vetting for workers with/around kids but I object to this implication that everyone has to be scared of being accused. If you're not a kiddy-fiddler you don't even fucking consider that.
And great musical hero of yours or not, Wacko was a bit on the dodgy side. Would you let him mind your kids/nephews/nieces/cousins?
