Winner Mafia 3 *Game Over* MAFIA WINS!

[captainwalrus]

Is orange 3rd party or scum?

[pmchugh]

Is orange 3rd party or scum?

Cult lol. It clearly suggests that there is mafia as well as cult which makes this game quite unbalanced against town.

As a result I believe I am sane otherwise it would just be too unbalanced. I am a cop, I investigated frenchie and got scum.

unvote vote ga7

[captainwalrus]

Hmm... I will vote ga7 because I have no reason not to beleive you.

[ga7]

Heheh I knew you would do that. I'm the PGO therefore you can't possibly have investigated me and you're a lyncher or scum seeing me as too big a threat

Vote PMC

[ga7]

Damn come to think of it I should have waited for a real cop to counterclaim. Oh well at least I won't be speedlynched this way

[pmchugh]

Heheh I knew you would do that. I'm the PGO therefore you can't possibly have investigated me and you're a lyncher or scum seeing me as too big a threat

Vote PMC

Ha I knew you would say lyncher, people take not that ga7 is a genius at getting his way out of trouble.

Most people would have said, no you're lying! He must be a lyncher I am a [insert random role here]. But no 7 comes up with an explanation that he is a PGO which comes with the built in explanation for why I am lying. Also a PGO takes no actions so he can't prove it, which is always a plus when fake claiming.

This claim is unlikely but is the best possible fake claim I think he could have came up with. It's too perfect, if I were scum obviously I would not set him up like that unless we were a LYLO and that's just not possible on day 2. So then the only explanation would be lyncher if that were true what would be the odds of ga7 having a perfect claim for these circumstances and not just be say a doctor or a cop or a watcher or anything else really.

I support a hammering.

[ga7]

Lol it would be a bit stupid of me to claim PGO if I wasn't it, there's almost always a PGO on town side in Fir games to balance the fact there's loads of scums. It's easy to prove, if we have a vig he can suicide on me tonight Seriously, I'm sure we also have a real cop that can out you right away.

[captainwalrus]

what is a PGO and what is a lyncher?

[pmchugh]

Lol it would be a bit stupid of me to claim PGO if I wasn't it, there's almost always a PGO on town side in Fir games to balance the fact there's loads of scums. It's easy to prove, if we have a vig he can suicide on me tonight Seriously, I'm sure we also have a real cop that can out you right away.

With 8 players you probably aren't gonig to get all the usual fircoal roles, which would make it a smart claim in case he left it out. Barring a busdriver you are scum, but of course then the busdriver would have been killed.

Lyncher- wins when they lynch particular person, in this case ga7 is claiming that I am a lyncher with him as my target. Kind of like assasain in risk language.

PGO- Paranoid gun owner, someone who kills everyone who visits them at night regardless of what they are dong there.

[AceArtemis]

Well that is awesome, how on earth did we manage to kill a bulletproof cult doc . I guess we must have two killers who both targetted him.

If you read the scene, there is a gunshot wound, a sword, and a knife in Mr. Squirrel's body. That means there must have been three kills on Mr. Squirrel.

Cult lol. It clearly suggests that there is mafia as well as cult which makes this game quite unbalanced against town.

As a result I believe I am sane otherwise it would just be too unbalanced. I am a cop, I investigated frenchie and got scum.

unvote vote ga7

With the bulletproof cult doc, who knows what other WTF roles are in the game. With a cult, someone who kills with a sword (What role might that be???), someone who kills with a knife (Probably SK), and probably a mafia group, I don't think a simple sane cop would help the town all that much. The town roles have to be ridiculously overpowered in order to make the game balanced.

Heheh I knew you would do that. I'm the PGO therefore you can't possibly have investigated me and you're a lyncher or scum seeing me as too big a threat

Vote PMC

While in a normal game, I would be almost certain Ga7 is lying, but a PGO makes sense in a game with so many different factions. The PGO would ensure that some town would survive until the end of the game, to give the town a chance to win. Also, with all these non-town roles in the game, it doesn't seem too farfetched that a lyncher might be in this game.

Ha I knew you would say lyncher, people take not that ga7 is a genius at getting his way out of trouble.

Most people would have said, no you're lying! He must be a lyncher I am a [insert random role here]. But no 7 comes up with an explanation that he is a PGO which comes with the built in explanation for why I am lying. Also a PGO takes no actions so he can't prove it, which is always a plus when fake claiming.

This claim is unlikely but is the best possible fake claim I think he could have came up with. It's too perfect, if I were scum obviously I would not set him up like that unless we were a LYLO and that's just not possible on day 2. So then the only explanation would be lyncher if that were true what would be the odds of ga7 having a perfect claim for these circumstances and not just be say a doctor or a cop or a watcher or anything else really.

I support a hammering.

I agree with you that it is a very scumvenient claim. If Ga7 is a mafia member, claiming PGO would be very convenient, because it would discourage townies from using their night action on Ga7, and give a reason why Ga7 stays alive night after night. I don't want the mafia getting off scott-free like that, but I also don't want the lyncher to have an easy win claiming cop and lynching the most important town role. We need to have a major discussion before we decide who to lynch.

Obviously, we have two options here:
A. Lynch ga7. This one is pretty straightforward, either pmc will win as lyncher and we'll lose a PGO, or ga7 will be mafia.

B. Lynch pmc. If we do this, we'll find out if pmc is a lyncher or not, and if pmc is a lyncher, we don't lynch ga7. If pmc turns out to be a cop, we lynch ga7 the next day.

[Stroop]

vote ga7 - my night action confirms pmc's result.

[ga7]

This is BS. Guys, if you lynch me you give the win to the biggest faction. Stroop you didn't even bother to claim, you're obviously lying, either mafia taking advantage of Pmc's lyncher move to grab the win tonight (5 alive at the end of the day if Pmc is my lyncher, one kill and MAFIA WIN in the title), or less likely scum with Pmc. Look guys you can't fucking get rid of your PGO like that if you want a shot, lynch one of them (preferably Pmc as it'll be clearer) and you're certain to see the next day. There must be mafia cult and SK so I warn you third parties, that is the exact same for you; you'll lose to mafia if I die right now.

[ga7]

Here is what will the alive list look like if this lynch goes through:

1 Stroop > scum or dumb third party
2 Suspect101 > hypothetic scum
4 captainwalrus
7 AceArtemis
8 neanderpaul14

3 pmchung > Lyncher wins
6 Frenchie-chan* > Town PGO

We can agree that there will be 2 mafia members at least. They just need one kill to happen in the night to automatically win. You can argue that they can get killed too if we really have 3 killers (I'd assume one by mafia one by SK one by vig but that seems a bit weird) but they actually have less chances since FIr's godfathers are always bulletproof.
Mafia will effectively have more than 85% chances to win right away.

[Stroop]

I visited you, no matter what my role is that already tells me that you're not a PGO. I don't see the need to claim why my night action confirms that you're scum, unless others demand it.

[ga7]

If you visited me you'd be killed. You're not giving your full role because you don't know what to fakeclaim to justify this without getting counterclaimed.

[ga7]

For those that don't believe me there's at least one thing that can be proven fucking easily. Pmc being a lyncher.

I am going to hedge my bets and say that fircoal is likely to make at least one of his buddies scum. Since the bandwagon started so easily on LV he's obviously town, leaving frenchie as scum. Game, set and match unvote vote ga7.

I am also quite surprised ga7 agreed with me, meanly I wasn't expecting him to. Perhaps it's scum looking for an easy lynch avoid? I still don't get why lovo doesn't technically exist but who knows he could still be pro-town.

unvote vote ga7

just to be clear before i claim...why are you wanting to lynch me??

So I have ammo to get frenchie lynched tommorow cause he's obv scum

Is orange 3rd party or scum?

Cult lol. It clearly suggests that there is mafia as well as cult which makes this game quite unbalanced against town.

As a result I believe I am sane otherwise it would just be too unbalanced. I am a cop, I investigated frenchie and got scum.

unvote vote ga7

Now don't tell me he's not a freaking lyncher. He was only forced to vote lovo under pressure when he saw his attempts at lynching me day 1 weren't working, then this. This level of obsession can't be something else.

[Stroop]

Hmm... okay:

I'm a doubleshot cop. I get to do two investigations each night, but there is a 50% chance that one of them will give the wrong result. I investigated Suspect and got third party and I investigated ga7 and got scum.

I may have gotten a wrong result on you, ga, but that doesn't explain why I did not die if you are a PGO.

[pmchugh]

yes 7 I suspected you from the very start, before I got my role tbh. it's just like fircoal to make his mates scum, and your actions during the day only backed up my suspiciouns. If I were a genuine cop then who would I have investigated at the end of day 1? Clearly you.

If you visited me you'd be killed. You're not giving your full role because you don't know what to fakeclaim to justify this without getting counterclaimed.

Well that's out of the question now.

Here is what will the alive list look like if this lynch goes through:

1 Stroop > scum or dumb third party
2 Suspect101 > hypothetic scum
4 captainwalrus
7 AceArtemis
8 neanderpaul14

3 pmchung > Lyncher wins
6 Frenchie-chan* > Town PGO

We can agree that there will be 2 mafia members at least. They just need one kill to happen in the night to automatically win. You can argue that they can get killed too if we really have 3 killers (I'd assume one by mafia one by SK one by vig but that seems a bit weird) but they actually have less chances since FIr's godfathers are always bulletproof.
Mafia will effectively have more than 85% chances to win right away.

You are just grasping at straws, why would both me and stroop claim to get you lynched? Surely we are not both lynchers?

I will go as far to say if ga is a proper town PGO I will ask to be modkilled, and if that fails then you can lynch me tommorow. The claim is BS and he's obviously scum; lynch his ass.

[Suspect101]

I am not sure why pmc and stroop would lie. They would both have to be cult or mafia inorder to do so. The cult can only have started with 2 members max. If there were 3 and noone died, they would win after night 1. We killed 1 so there could ony be 2 right now assuming they recruited last night. If GA7 is town this would give us 6 players left. If the cult recruits, cult has 3 town has 3. Since there must be two killers, and the cult dr. is dead, there should be an easy kill of either stroop or pmc at night. so it would be 2 cult and 3 town in the mornign if they were able to recruit, we would still have the advantage.

on the other hand, wtf is this:

Hmm... I will vote ga7 because I have no reason not to beleive you.

you posted this before anyone could counter claim, there are plenty of reasons not to believe this claim, especially before someone counterclaims. Then you just disappear. I find this very odd.

vote CW

I also think, judging by firs last game I played in, that at least 1 of our cops is either a mafia cop, a SK cop, or an insane cop.

[pmchugh]

I am not sure why pmc and stroop would lie. They would both have to be cult or mafia inorder to do so. The cult can only have started with 2 members max. If there were 3 and noone died, they would win after night 1. We killed 1 so there could ony be 2 right now assuming they recruited last night. If GA7 is town this would give us 6 players left. If the cult recruits, cult has 3 town has 3. Since there must be two killers, and the cult dr. is dead, there should be an easy kill of either stroop or pmc at night. so it would be 2 cult and 3 town in the mornign if they were able to recruit, we would still have the advantage.

on the other hand, wtf is this:

Hmm... I will vote ga7 because I have no reason not to beleive you.

you posted this before anyone could counter claim, there are plenty of reasons not to believe this claim, especially before someone counterclaims. Then you just disappear. I find this very odd.

vote CW

I also think, judging by firs last game I played in, that at least 1 of our cops is either a mafia cop, a SK cop, or an insane cop.

Huh your mouth said ga7 but your vote said captain walrus I think stroop might have got the 50% chance both investigations were right as you sound like third party here.

[Suspect101]

I am not sure why pmc and stroop would lie. They would both have to be cult or mafia inorder to do so. The cult can only have started with 2 members max. If there were 3 and noone died, they would win after night 1. We killed 1 so there could ony be 2 right now assuming they recruited last night. If GA7 is town this would give us 6 players left. If the cult recruits, cult has 3 town has 3. Since there must be two killers, and the cult dr. is dead, there should be an easy kill of either stroop or pmc at night. so it would be 2 cult and 3 town in the mornign if they were able to recruit, we would still have the advantage.

on the other hand, wtf is this:

Hmm... I will vote ga7 because I have no reason not to beleive you.

you posted this before anyone could counter claim, there are plenty of reasons not to believe this claim, especially before someone counterclaims. Then you just disappear. I find this very odd.

vote CW

I also think, judging by firs last game I played in, that at least 1 of our cops is either a mafia cop, a SK cop, or an insane cop.

Huh your mouth said ga7 but your vote said captain walrus I think stroop might have got the 50% chance both investigations were right as you sound like third party here.

...and you find nothing odd about CW's post? I find it very strange and very scummy and I wnat to know more. that is like me saying, Strrop is scum I am a cop, believe me. then the very next post someone saying blindly, yeah I believe you because I have no reason not to............well what is the reason not to when there are a ton of reasons not to believe you.

[pmchugh]

It's true but why vote for him now? You can't lynch two people at once and ga7's lynch is a lot better than CW's.

[Suspect101]

It's true but why vote for him now? You can't lynch two people at once and ga7's lynch is a lot better than CW's.

why is that?

[Stroop]

It's true but why vote for him now? You can't lynch two people at once and ga7's lynch is a lot better than CW's.

why is that?

Because there are two claimed cops saying he's scum...

[Suspect101]

It's true but why vote for him now? You can't lynch two people at once and ga7's lynch is a lot better than CW's.

why is that?

Because there are two claimed cops saying he's scum...

yeah, but you both could be scum. not likely, but still could be scum. so that really is not a good answer. Besides, you could have been busdrived stroop, that is why you were not killed, because you did not investigate GA7. just a thought. I want to hear more from other people before I put to many votes on a single player.