autoload's 19 Player Mafia Game #1 --- Days 2-3 --

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:40 pm

all the evidence points to kokunai right now.

my vote stays where it is.

vgmmaster · Post by **vgmmaster** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:40 pm

XenHu wrote:Just because they are noobs doesn't mean they can't guess...

Besides, it's not like people haven't said they've been in other mafia games..
-X

True, they could guess, but if all they did was guess, do you think that eerybody dead would be experienced?

And yes, it's sort of easy to figure out who has played here before (if you check out previous games), but what are the chances that newbs/noobs will actually read previous mafia games?

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:41 pm

vgmmaster wrote:
XenHu wrote:Just because they are noobs doesn't mean they can't guess...

Besides, it's not like people haven't said they've been in other mafia games..
-X
True, they could guess, but if all they did was guess, do you think that eerybody dead would be experienced?

And yes, it's sort of easy to figure out who has played here before (if you check out previous games), but what are the chances that newbs/noobs will actually read previous mafia games?

you guys instead of talking about theoretical mafia, let's look at teh evidence we've got.

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:43 pm

you guys haven't been haunted in a while, so BOO!

vgmmaster · Post by **vgmmaster** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:46 pm

supercram wrote:
vgmmaster wrote:
XenHu wrote:Just because they are noobs doesn't mean they can't guess...

Besides, it's not like people haven't said they've been in other mafia games..
-X
True, they could guess, but if all they did was guess, do you think that eerybody dead would be experienced?

And yes, it's sort of easy to figure out who has played here before (if you check out previous games), but what are the chances that newbs/noobs will actually read previous mafia games?
you guys instead of talking about theoretical mafia, let's look at teh evidence we've got.

Supercram is right. We should look at the evidence instead of thinking who may be mafia from some theroies. Isn't that how we accidentally lynched the doc on day 1?

XenHu · Post by **XenHu** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:53 pm

Well, Kokunai is on my list of suspect mafia so...

Vote: Kokunai

-X

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:55 pm

Wisse wrote:
Fircoal wrote:I got to EOS some people.
EOS: SEnfive, Senfive has been accusing many people and when the case goes stale, he moves onto some one else.
EOs: Kokunai, Kokunai still hasn't posted yet, and evidence is against him, and his posts aren't many and give very little detail.
EOS: Trestain, HE claims doctor oddly, and voted Nyvek to be lynched 4th, also he claims he "Saved" Wicked.
Though all 3 are very suspisious, I want anwsers so I'm going to
Vote: Wisse you barley post and when you do it's a FOS vote with out any logic in it, care to explain why your doing this.

Oops, forgot the bold.
ok i'll explain myself:
i said this:
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nah i don't think kokunai is the mafia,
i FOS, RK & SenFive
and i VOTE: Trestain
for the same reason as before...
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i did already mention why i FOS senfive and voted trestain in day 2, but i'll repeat it for you

Trestain because i do think he lies about being a doc, i think the mafia would have killed wicked and not the serial killer (if there is one (he claims there is one)) and he said he protected her, i don't beleve that, and why did he post he is a doc, wouldn't he be killed than last night? the mafia would do that wouldn't they? and he said it in coded, whats the reason for that? i don't know...

RK because he doesn't talk like he always do, i miss the jokes etc.

And senfive becuase i think he acts strange, but i am not sure about him yet...

While you did explain yourself better, why don't you think the kokunai isn't mafia?

Supercram seems to be making sense, and I trust him. So, I pretty sure Cram is pro-town.

Cram's List:
kokunai
incandenza
wisse
trestain

All of those 4 look like they could be mafia, mainly Kokunai, and Wisse.
Wisse finally has explained myself, but before I unvote him, I want to know why he thinks Kokunai isn't scum.
Kokunai looks like scum pretty much, but Ill give him the chance to defend himself, a little more longer.

vgmmaster · Post by **vgmmaster** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:05 pm

As I mentioned earlier, I believe kokunai may be playing a textbook mafia game by not posting so she doesn't gain any attention.

If that's true, she may be mafia and each passing second does not help her in anyway.

VOTE: kokunai

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:13 pm

ok slow it down guys, that's 5 votes for kokunai right now. 2 more and it's a done deal.

unvote kokunai to give him/her a chance to explain.

even tough of all you people voting, i don't think any are mafia. if we're wrong, mafia can bandwagon and get this lynch done very quickly.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:42 pm

supercram wrote:ok slow it down guys, that's 5 votes for kokunai right now. 2 more and it's a done deal.

unvote kokunai to give him/her a chance to explain.

even tough of all you people voting, i don't think any are mafia. if we're wrong, mafia can bandwagon and get this lynch done very quickly.

Honestly, I think if he intended to explain himself, he would have by now.. and to your point, if he was not, Mafia would have already bandwagoned and made this a done deal. We need 2 more votes ppl...

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:56 pm

good, sound logic.

vote kokunai

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:58 pm

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

yes i AM that bored......

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:08 pm

fine, I guess I'll make it official, I think kokunai is probably scum, so I guess it's time to find out.
Vote: kokunai

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:08 pm

HoussamTheGreat wrote:
supercram wrote:ok slow it down guys, that's 5 votes for kokunai right now. 2 more and it's a done deal.

unvote kokunai to give him/her a chance to explain.

even tough of all you people voting, i don't think any are mafia. if we're wrong, mafia can bandwagon and get this lynch done very quickly.
Honestly, I think if he intended to explain himself, he would have by now.. and to your point, if he was not, Mafia would have already bandwagoned and made this a done deal. We need 2 more votes ppl...

Here goes nothing. If this doesn't turn out like I am hoping it will. I hope you all will look at trestain.

Unvote incase I didn't earlier

vote Kokunai

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:18 pm

i think that makes seven.

i have cold feet a little bit, since kokunai never even showed up to defend, but it's too late now.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:22 pm

supercram wrote:i think that makes seven.

i have cold feet a little bit, since kokunai never even showed up to defend, but it's too late now.

Same here, except it's 8.

XenHu · Post by **XenHu** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:39 pm

See where the gallows stand Kokunai, See where the gallows stand ? Just twenty short years, from the day you were born, you'll die by the hangman's hand

-X

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:54 pm

Um, clearly I missed a lot.... sorry for being gone all day.

Brief impressions from my looking at the posts since last night:

I'll buy cram's trust of senfive. The less said, the better. Trestain could learn a lesson.

I see that I've popped up on the cross-referenced list of people that didn't vote for nyvek or RD. I actually did vote for RD, but my vote got bumped because of the 'secret vote' (and that was something that I'm surprised no one even took a guess at). No, I didn't vote for nyvek. The evidence simply wasn't there., just noobish behavior that got him lynched. Besides, I'm paranoid and indecisive, which is not a combo conducive to voting to lynch on day one.

The kokunai thing feels rushed. I know it's a moot point now, but part of the reason everyone suspects him is that he voted with RD against MB and also cast the FOS on P Gizzle (and Fircoal, IIRC). The first reason seems solid, but the second one isn't. All that would mean is that kokunai is the one making decisions for the mafia, which would mean that we'll be winning this game by next weekend.

Trestain always felt weirder to me, and the reason I inquired as to his vet status was that we were still back in the 'it's revenge for a previous game' phase of day 2. I've never bought his explanation for a roleclaim. Like someone said, it didn't make any sense for him to do so when basically all anyone was saying about him was that he wasn't posting enough. That's no reason to come out and make that claim. In a way, it could be seen as damning as RD's meltdown under light interrogation.

If kokunai turns out to be mafia, great. fantastic. But we're not out of the woods, and I'll bet that there's still a capable player left that could put up a better defense than RD (freaking out) or kokunai (none at all).

If kokunai ain't mafia, then I don't know what to think.

But I'm starting to trust some people, and second-order trust others (you know, trusting people that people I trust claim to trust).

But if kokunai ends up being townie, the late-entry stampeders will definitely have to be scrutinized.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:55 pm

(sorry for the novel)

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:57 pm

and now, looking back at the votes, I can see that the late voters for kokunai were some of the trustworthy types, so now I don't know WHAT to think...

Guess it's the waiting game until autoload swings by.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:02 pm

Vote Count:

7 Kokunai (HoussamTheGreat, for dummies, XenHu, vgmmaster, supercram, Fircoal, Senfive)
2 trestain (Wisse, reverend_kyle, )
1 Senfive (trestain)

3 Not Voting (Incandenza, Kokunai, Master Bush)

The subdivision, cocksure and headstrong, rush through the day fully confident on who one of the guilty members are. Kokunai does not even realize he is the one being lynched until HoussamTheGreat and for dummies grab him. XenHu throws a rope up on the branch next to the still swinging Roger Dodger, and vgmmaster places the noose around Kokunai's neck. supercram, Fircoal, and Senfive stand guard. Once Kokunai was dead, a search of the body casts an unnatural quiet upon the remaining citizens...

Kokunai (townie) has been hung!

All those with nightchoices have 48 hours to send them in.

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:04 pm

honestly even if kokunai is a townie, he/she is a townie who doesn't read carefully, doesn't post, and makes accusations that are hard to backup, and that's not helpful to the town anyway.

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:05 pm

ooops!

XenHu · Post by **XenHu** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:11 pm

Goddamn Noobs! Post your defence before you die!

Oh wait...

-X

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:24 pm

supercram wrote:honestly even if kokunai is a townie, he/she is a townie who doesn't read carefully, doesn't post, and makes accusations that are hard to backup, and that's not helpful to the town anyway.

so no great loss? dude, wtf? I'm pretty much certain you're town, and I respect the points you've been making, but this is a rare misstep for you.

Regardless of kokunai's contributions (or lack thereof), the fact remains that we're down another townie. Kokunai may not have been contributing, but he was a warm body that the mafia may have used a nightkill on. Or another vote when the gap between town and mafia is small.

Now he's dead. and he was town.

Don't mean to lay into you, cram, but that kind of 'oh, well, we're better off without him even if he is town' thing kinda pisses me off, especially when it wasn't much more than 24 hours between the beginning of day 3 and the lynch.

Crap, I mean zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz