I find many users are not extending premium lately as a way of showing CC that they aren't going to take this banning spree lightly. I am curious as to how many of these people there are.
If you find a problem with the way the site is run and because of that you are not extending your premium then go ahead and post here. This will help keep it organized so we can see how many people really are effected by these bannings.
If you would like to go into detail as to what happened and why you aren't extending you may, please do not flame, be sensible and explain in detail. If not, we will just assume the reason you are not extending is due to Team CC's management in some way or the other.
If this does not apply to you then do not respond to it, it will be considered off-topic and I will report it.
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Four months ago I decided to cancel my premium; not renew a friend's premium I'd purchased; not continue with further tournaments-with-prizes; and suggest 5 of my friends look elsewhere for games after all (they were considering joining because I'd been playing here). Thus, my concerns, unaddressed, cost CC at least $225 in 2009 alone.
I don't care about Dancing Mustard, since I didn't really know him; had seen him, never had a problem with him. But some mods on this site do tend to target certain folks while giving kiss-butt antagonizers a pass. Some even instigate disruption.
Similarly, I didn't care about flame wars; but the admin claim that that isolated forum was the cause of flaming everywhere else is bogus. Flaming is in other places because mods tolerate it, and in some instances encourage it.
Again, some mods give their pet antagonizers a pass, in games, in forums, in chat... then another pass, and another, even at times helping fan the flames; then step in against anyone who dares, ultimately, to retort against their pet players or have the audacity to suggest that these sorts of mods do not do the jobs they volunteered to do, but instead, wield power like their own personal billyclub against whomever they choose to dislike.
That unbalanced moderation is not the way to teach and encourage good sportsmanship or "family friendly" behavior on the site - instead, it's a way to enhance and encourage disharmony.
CC wants "family friendly?" Then give a warning if someone complains about another's comment, rather than the equivalent of, "Since I like that person but do not like you, I find nothing wrong with what was said, so use your ignore or foelist buttons."
To eliminate the chance that someone is ganged up on just to get them banned, stop the additive nature of warnings for language, flaming, and harassment; instead, give repeated temporary vacations for minor misbehaviors, saving perm bans for those who multi or hack the site. Oh, coding the "cannot join for 1, 7, 15, 30, 60, or 90 days," might be a 60-second hassle a few times, and perhaps there are e-forms that must be filled out that will cost another few minutes for those who figure it out less quickly, but eventually people and pets can learn; if not to stop, then to pick and choose where they make their messes.
4myGod wrote:I find many users are not extending premium lately as a way of showing CC that they aren't going to take this banning spree lightly. I am curious as to how many of these people there are.
If you find a problem with the way the site is run and because of that you are not extending your premium then go ahead and post here. This will help keep it organized so we can see how many people really are effected by these bannings.
If you would like to go into detail as to what happened and why you aren't extending you may, please do not flame, be sensible and explain in detail. If not, we will just assume the reason you are not extending is due to Team CC's management in some way or the other.
If this does not apply to you then do not respond to it, it will be considered off-topic and I will report it.[/b]
So let me get this straight...
In your little thread here about making your stand against members of cc getting banned, if you don't think that my response is on topic you will report me to the same people that you are speaking out against, for what, so they can possibly include me in on their so called "banning spree"?
You rule dude! fucking brilliant! 5 out of 5 stars for you bro!!! You don't call the cops on people after you just finish singing "f*ck the police"
stahrgazer wrote:Again, some mods give their pet antagonizers a pass, in games, in forums, in chat... then another pass, and another, even at times helping fan the flames; then step in against anyone who dares, ultimately, to retort against their pet players or have the audacity to suggest that these sorts of mods do not do the jobs they volunteered to do, but instead, wield power like their own personal billyclub against whomever they choose to dislike.
I'd like to see someone actually man up and list out who they think the moderator's pets are for once instead of just referring to them as a general group. Mostly because I'd like to go down the list and refer to the official records and see how accurate it is as to whether or not these "pets" are actually sporting such unblemished records like everyone claims.
Feel free to send me a PM anytime with a list. I truly would be interested.
As for the idea of not renewing premium, it isn't a "new" threat. People have threatened to do it for a plethora of reasons since I first joined the site. Only a very few of them actually go through with it, and oddly enough most of them continue to "enjoy" the services here with silver ranks instead of gold. Quite the strong message you show with that.
Frankly, I see this as a balancing act. On one hand, you don't want the community to become too corrupted; On the other, you still want it to be active. What we should strive for is that middle line (which is VERY blurry).
Optimus Prime wrote:...As for the idea of not renewing premium, it isn't a "new" threat. People have threatened to do it for a plethora of reasons since I first joined the site. Only a very few of them actually go through with it, and oddly enough most of them continue to "enjoy" the services here with silver ranks instead of gold. Quite the strong message you show with that.
So are you double-dog-daring the people to boycott?
I will not be renewing my premium. But I will "continue to enjoy the services here with silver ranks instead of gold" until such time as I become completely disenchanted with the site or I see an improvement in the site that I perceive as worth paying for.
Optimus Prime wrote:...As for the idea of not renewing premium, it isn't a "new" threat. People have threatened to do it for a plethora of reasons since I first joined the site. Only a very few of them actually go through with it, and oddly enough most of them continue to "enjoy" the services here with silver ranks instead of gold. Quite the strong message you show with that.
So are you double-dog-daring the people to boycott?
I will not be renewing my premium. But I will "continue to enjoy the services here with silver ranks instead of gold" until such time as I become completely disenchanted with the site or I see an improvement in the site that I perceive as worth paying for.
No, not daring anyone at all, they can make up their own minds. I just personally find it ironic to state such displeasure and make a show of not renewing your membership because of some belief of injustice or offense by what the site has done, and then stick around. Sure, you can play for free, thousands of people do, I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.
Optimus Prime wrote:...As for the idea of not renewing premium, it isn't a "new" threat. People have threatened to do it for a plethora of reasons since I first joined the site. Only a very few of them actually go through with it, and oddly enough most of them continue to "enjoy" the services here with silver ranks instead of gold. Quite the strong message you show with that.
So are you double-dog-daring the people to boycott?
I will not be renewing my premium. But I will "continue to enjoy the services here with silver ranks instead of gold" until such time as I become completely disenchanted with the site or I see an improvement in the site that I perceive as worth paying for.
No, not daring anyone at all, they can make up their own minds. I just personally find it ironic to state such displeasure and make a show of not renewing your membership because of some belief of injustice or offense by what the site has done, and then stick around. Sure, you can play for free, thousands of people do, I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.
heheh this is a very good point (and definitely a double/treble dare!) .... seeing as some bugger bought me an extension ... which takes me past into 2000 and frigging 10... i can either get banned (i don't really have the heart for it) or i can stick around and leave at the end. (it does smell of a very long and undramatic exit, so i will keep my options open )
I am one of those people who hates to see waste... I take a plateful of food, stacked with the precision of a skyscraper architect, at an 'eat as much as you like' Restaurant (all class i am!) only to find that 'take as much as you like' is not the same as 'eat as much as you like'! ... well i will eat it! i will sit there and suffer through the excess food until nausea overtakes me and 'like' is a long distant abstraction!
So i will likely sit and undertake the very dramatic purgatory of all unnoticed fainting Divas ... with a little death-throw bang on the stage here and there to catch the eye.
tbh i almost guarantee that a boycott will not change anything...you are definately going about it the wrong way. The right way i dont know what it is...the forum users make up a minority of users on this site. And those who want to boycott to get changes are even less.
now i am in the group who doesnt really care.. i just renewed my premium. only thing that upsets me is that people i enjoy playing with are considering not playing anymore....
lord voldemort wrote:tbh i almost guarantee that a boycott will not change anything...you are definately going about it the wrong way. The right way i dont know what it is...the forum users make up a minority of users on this site. And those who want to boycott to get changes are even less.
now i am in the group who doesnt really care.. i just renewed my premium. only thing that upsets me is that people i enjoy playing with are considering not playing anymore....
i agree, leaving is pointless and will make no difference.
.. but in the same way that Prime is double-daring there does come a point where the principle will not allow one to stay and a word in the last resort has to be fulfilled.
Optimus Prime wrote: I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.
i just find it incredibly funny to watch you try to communicate with the community. thank god for andy, your arrogance is overwhelming...-0
Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation
makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
Optimus Prime wrote: I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.
i just find it incredibly funny to watch you try to communicate with the community. thank god for andy, your arrogance is overwhelming...-0
Optimus Prime wrote: I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.
i just find it incredibly funny to watch you try to communicate with the community. thank god for andy, your arrogance is overwhelming...-0
Optimus Prime wrote: I just find it incredibly funny to watch folks make a scene and then stay. If you are going to make a scene about your "boycotting" at least do it properly.
i just find it incredibly funny to watch you try to communicate with the community. thank god for andy, your arrogance is overwhelming...-0
NO U!!!!! *smiley face added for posturing*
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Lets all play nice, don't make me get out my big bunch of bananas.
It is inevitable that some Premium Members will, A: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of waning interest, or B: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of unsatisfaction with a particular part of the service (be it because of procedure, price, technical issues, etc).
That is the nature of any Premium Service offered by most any company.
We are always disappointed to see people depart from our offered services, since Premium Members are a large part of the Forum Community in addition to the Gaming Community.
We'd love to convince outgoing Premium Members to stay a part of one, or both, of the Communities, but often when someone has decided they are leaving a particular service behind, there isn't a lot convincing that can be done (think of switch cable t.v. or satellite providers, one rarely switches back to the original unless the new service is even worse).
Since convincing does little to, well, convince, many of those who have already decided, the best we can really do, I think, is thank the Member for their time and input into our Communities, while of course, looking ahead to new members.
AndyDufresne wrote:Lets all play nice, don't make me get out my big bunch of bananas.
It is inevitable that some Premium Members will, A: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of waning interest, or B: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of unsatisfaction with a particular part of the service (be it because of procedure, price, technical issues, etc).
That is the nature of any Premium Service offered by most any company.
We are always disappointed to see people depart from our offered services, since Premium Members are a large part of the Forum Community in addition to the Gaming Community.
We'd love to convince outgoing Premium Members to stay a part of one, or both, of the Communities, but often when someone has decided they are leaving a particular service behind, there isn't a lot convincing that can be done (think of switch cable t.v. or satellite providers, one rarely switches back to the original unless the new service is even worse).
Since convincing does little to, well, convince, many of those who have already decided, the best we can really do, I think, is thank the Member for their time and input into our Communities, while of course, looking ahead to new members.
--Andy
heheh quadruple dare! and we see that we are now dead-wood to be ignored
(i will be winking a lot in the following post)
this is far from a faceless cable or satellite t.v. provider mate, I am surprised that you wish to be perceived as an anonymous, corporate entity who does not really care what happens.
The fact is .. as you know, the Forum side of the site is very important to customer and 'loyalty'... it is the best market research and barometer to the feelings of your clientele a company could ever have (beautifully illustrated when the forum users helped you through the Classic map Revamp debacle which was universally hated by all the CC users not just on the Forums.. key Forum goers helped you get it right! You need to keep us around through the unnecessary, purely forumcentric shit to guard against the necessary universal problems. .. ignore us at your peril!
Your most loyal and your most 'disloyal' custom comes from the forums. Your maps come from the Forums (where would ya be without them huh? Classic Shapes and .. the other one the add-ons come from the Forums... and your personal entertainment comes from the forums in the shape of us
so, easy to pass it off as thinning of the population through natural causes though it is, that removes any site responsibility to redress consumer unhappiness. hmmmm not sure that helps this time Andy.
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I certainly know Premium Members are a large portion of the Communities, as I mentioned. However, there are equally if not larger numbers of Users, Premium and Freemium alike, who are not apart of the Forum Community who additionally drive Conquer Club's Gaming Community.
It is most certainly a balancing act, as pointed out, to make both groups of people satisified with our service.
AndyDufresne wrote:I certainly know Premium Members are a large portion of the Communities, as I mentioned. However, there are equally if not larger numbers of Users, Premium and Freemium alike, who are not apart of the Forum Community who additionally drive Conquer Club's Gaming Community.
It is most certainly a balancing act, as pointed out, to make both groups of people satisified with our service.
--Andy
heheh so you are saying you are happy with only Freemium users Andy?
come on man .. if that is the case give them unlimited games and access to SpeedGames.
but my point is you get free labour and the pulse of all the community through a cross section who inhabit the fora... we allow you to nip things in the bud and put out fires of dissent which would spread to consume the broader usership.
More, it is often the pains in the arse who help you solve it and who are instrumental in getting the shit right. those with excess passion who may well need to entertain themselves in the frivolous when there is no real crisis... they come to the fore passionately and find resolution when it matters.
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AndyDufresne wrote:Lets all play nice, don't make me get out my big bunch of bananas.
It is inevitable that some Premium Members will, A: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of waning interest, or B: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of unsatisfaction with a particular part of the service (be it because of procedure, price, technical issues, etc).
That is the nature of any Premium Service offered by most any company.
We are always disappointed to see people depart from our offered services, since Premium Members are a large part of the Forum Community in addition to the Gaming Community.
We'd love to convince outgoing Premium Members to stay a part of one, or both, of the Communities, but often when someone has decided they are leaving a particular service behind, there isn't a lot convincing that can be done (think of switch cable t.v. or satellite providers, one rarely switches back to the original unless the new service is even worse).
Since convincing does little to, well, convince, many of those who have already decided, the best we can really do, I think, is thank the Member for their time and input into our Communities, while of course, looking ahead to new members.
--Andy
heheh quadruple dare! and we see that we are now dead-wood to be ignored
(i will be winking a lot in the following post)
this is far from a faceless cable or satellite t.v. provider mate, I am surprised that you wish to be perceived as an anonymous, corporate entity who does not really care what happens.
The fact is .. as you know, the Forum side of the site is very important to customer and 'loyalty'... it is the best market research and barometer to the feelings of your clientele a company could ever have.. ignore it at your peril!
Your most loyal and your most 'disloyal' custom comes from the forums. Your maps come from the Forums (where would ya be without them huh? Classic Shapes and .. the other one the add-ons come from the Forums... and your personal entertainment comes from the forums in the shape of us
so, easy to pass it off as thinning of the population through natural causes though it is, that removes any site responsibility to redress consumer unhappiness. hmmmm not sure that helps this time Andy.
None of this matters... what is your alternative? Is there a another site that you can go to that can offer you what cc has to offer?
Nope
CC has no legitimate competition, therefore they are like an 800 pound gorilla, they can sleep where ever they want to.
jiminski wrote:
heheh so you are saying you are happy with only Freemium users Andy?
come on man .. if that is the case give them unlimited games and access to SpeedGames.
I don't think I said anything like that, Jiminski, and you know it.
AndyDufresne wrote:Lets all play nice, don't make me get out my big bunch of bananas.
It is inevitable that some Premium Members will, A: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of waning interest, or B: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of unsatisfaction with a particular part of the service (be it because of procedure, price, technical issues, etc).
That is the nature of any Premium Service offered by most any company.
We are always disappointed to see people depart from our offered services, since Premium Members are a large part of the Forum Community in addition to the Gaming Community.
We'd love to convince outgoing Premium Members to stay a part of one, or both, of the Communities, but often when someone has decided they are leaving a particular service behind, there isn't a lot convincing that can be done (think of switch cable t.v. or satellite providers, one rarely switches back to the original unless the new service is even worse).
Since convincing does little to, well, convince, many of those who have already decided, the best we can really do, I think, is thank the Member for their time and input into our Communities, while of course, looking ahead to new members.
--Andy
heheh quadruple dare! and we see that we are now dead-wood to be ignored
(i will be winking a lot in the following post)
this is far from a faceless cable or satellite t.v. provider mate, I am surprised that you wish to be perceived as an anonymous, corporate entity who does not really care what happens.
The fact is .. as you know, the Forum side of the site is very important to customer and 'loyalty'... it is the best market research and barometer to the feelings of your clientele a company could ever have.. ignore it at your peril!
Your most loyal and your most 'disloyal' custom comes from the forums. Your maps come from the Forums (where would ya be without them huh? Classic Shapes and .. the other one the add-ons come from the Forums... and your personal entertainment comes from the forums in the shape of us
so, easy to pass it off as thinning of the population through natural causes though it is, that removes any site responsibility to redress consumer unhappiness. hmmmm not sure that helps this time Andy.
None of this matters... what is your alternative? Is there a another site that you can go to that can offer you what cc has to offer?
Nope
CC has no legitimate competition, therefore they are like an 800 pound gorilla, they can sleep where ever they want to.
correct, they have no legitimate competition due to the Forum system. Without that and without the carefully tended community, it has 1 map which it can not even use any longer!
With any service, there will always be a group of users who are unsatisfied with the service to some varying degrees. I think, however, Conquer Club has a larger number of users satisified with the service, than those unsatisified, and the rate of satisifaction (for instance Premium Purchases, or sticking around the website as a free user) doesn't seem to be losing to dissatisfaction.
AndyDufresne wrote:With any service, there will always be a group of users who are unsatisfied with the service to some varying degrees. I think, however, Conquer Club has a larger number of users satisified with the service, than those unsatisified, and the rate of satisifaction (for instance Premium Purchases, or sticking around the website as a free user) doesn't seem to be losing to dissatisfaction.
--Andy
Translation...
We are going to continue to operate however we want to, regardless of how members of the community feel, if you don't like it you can feel free to leave or go pound some sand.
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AndyDufresne wrote:Lets all play nice, don't make me get out my big bunch of bananas.
It is inevitable that some Premium Members will, A: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of waning interest, or B: Move on from Conquer Club's service because of unsatisfaction with a particular part of the service (be it because of procedure, price, technical issues, etc).
That is the nature of any Premium Service offered by most any company.
We are always disappointed to see people depart from our offered services, since Premium Members are a large part of the Forum Community in addition to the Gaming Community.
We'd love to convince outgoing Premium Members to stay a part of one, or both, of the Communities, but often when someone has decided they are leaving a particular service behind, there isn't a lot convincing that can be done (think of switch cable t.v. or satellite providers, one rarely switches back to the original unless the new service is even worse).
Since convincing does little to, well, convince, many of those who have already decided, the best we can really do, I think, is thank the Member for their time and input into our Communities, while of course, looking ahead to new members.
--Andy
heheh quadruple dare! and we see that we are now dead-wood to be ignored
(i will be winking a lot in the following post)
this is far from a faceless cable or satellite t.v. provider mate, I am surprised that you wish to be perceived as an anonymous, corporate entity who does not really care what happens.
The fact is .. as you know, the Forum side of the site is very important to customer and 'loyalty'... it is the best market research and barometer to the feelings of your clientele a company could ever have.. ignore it at your peril!
Your most loyal and your most 'disloyal' custom comes from the forums. Your maps come from the Forums (where would ya be without them huh? Classic Shapes and .. the other one the add-ons come from the Forums... and your personal entertainment comes from the forums in the shape of us
so, easy to pass it off as thinning of the population through natural causes though it is, that removes any site responsibility to redress consumer unhappiness. hmmmm not sure that helps this time Andy.
None of this matters... what is your alternative? Is there a another site that you can go to that can offer you what cc has to offer?
Nope
CC has no legitimate competition, therefore they are like an 800 pound gorilla, they can sleep where ever they want to.
correct, they have no legitimate competition due to the Forum system. Without that and without the carefully tended community, it has 1 map which it can not even use any longer!
It'd maintain Asia and USA, as well as Classic Shapes.
You make a good point about the forum, and I was going to initially disagree that the forums make CC so much better than its "competitors," then I realized — hey, half the features came out of the Suggs & Bugs forum (albeit 2 years late). demon's entire post is true in that sense.
