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A telling episode recounted by Senate Finance ranking member Charles Grassley reveals the Obama administration might be more worried than they are letting on that a Republican senator's comparison of the healthcare overhaul to Waterloo might be dangerously close to the truth.

Grassley said he spoke with a Democratic House member last week who shared Obama's bleak reaction during a private meeting to reports that some factions of House Democrats were lining up to stall or even take down the overhaul unless leaders made major changes.

"Let's just lay everything on the table," Grassley said. "A Democrat congressman last week told me after a conversation with the president that the president had trouble in the House of Representatives, and it wasn't going to pass if there weren't some changes made ... and the president says, 'You're going to destroy my presidency.' "

The White House did not respond to requests for comment.

Grassley did not name the member but said he was not from the senator's home state of Iowa. He brought up the anecdote in response to a question about whether the president's rebuke of the Waterloo remark Monday was affecting Finance Committee negotiations on a bipartisan overhaul bill. Grassley said the imbroglio was not taking a toll on the bipartisan effort.

President Obama and the Democratic National Committee pushed back hard this week against South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint's remark Friday that the healthcare overhaul could be Obama's Waterloo. Obama went directly after the comment in a speech Monday and Democratic leaders and organizations have fired off countless e-mails to call out Republicans for attempting to bring down the effort rather than offer constructive alternatives.

Most of the Blue Dog Coalition opposes the House overhaul bill and have managed to delay the Energy and Commerce Committee markup. (See related story.) Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., the Blue Dogs' Health Care Task Force chairman, said Tuesday he is not the member Grassley was referring to.

Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., defended Obama even though he is also opposed to House Democrats' bill. "I can't see him saying that," Stupak said. "He's got too much self-confidence."

House Republicans Tuesday made hay of the issue, with Ways and Means minority staff sending out an e-mail asking, "Who's really blocking health care reform?"

"Do not be fooled by the president's repeated attempts to create a Republican straw man for his health care troubles," the e-mail reads. The GOP pointed to ads the Democratic National Committee is running to pressure Democratic lawmakers.

Meanwhile, the Finance Committee continues to negotiate its bipartisan bill. Seven negotiators have been at the table, but Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus referred Tuesday to "all six in the room." Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, has not been noticed attending the meetings for some time.

Senators discussed offsets for the $1 trillion measure Tuesday afternoon with Thomas Barthold, chief of staff for the Joint Committee on Taxation. An offset offered by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., meant to be a compromise on taxing employer-based health benefits, is under discussion, Baucus said.

Kerry's idea is similar to a proposal pushed in 1994 by former Sen. Bill Bradley, D-N.J., and approved by the Finance Committee that would tax the difference between the average health insurance premium in a region and insurers' higher-cost plans.

Unions have come out heavily against that proposal because of the potential for higher costs to be passed down to workers. Most big companies offer their own insurance plans to employees, meaning the pain could be spread beyond the insurance industry.

An industry source expressed concern that "self-insured" company plans would be victimized, noting a 2008 Kaiser Family Foundation survey that found 77 percent of firms with more than 200 employees fund their own workers' benefits, rather than contract with an outside insurer. That figure goes up for firms with 1,000 or more workers, where the vast majority are self-insured, said Marisa Milton, vice president for healthcare policy and government relations at the HR Policy Association.

Finance members are looking at the exclusion that protects employees from paying taxes on employer-based health benefits to try to reduce the growth of healthcare spending, but have run into pushback from Democratic leaders and Obama.

The bipartisan Finance group met earlier in the day with two actuaries to discuss potential penalties for individuals and businesses that do not acquire insurance.

Senate Majority Leader Reid insisted Tuesday that the Finance panel would produce a bill this week and begin a markup Saturday, but Finance members were skeptical. Baucus raised his hands and laughed when asked about Reid's comment and Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad went just with a good laugh.
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So there is dispute over or whether or not he said this, but if he did say this it strikes me as..
..Childish

We have a President who has never really been told 'no' in his life. He's been propelled onto the national stage partially because of his gifted oratory abilities, and partly because of his race. He is seen to embody what a great many people want in a leader, even though these are different things to different people.

How hard did Obama really have to work for what he has? Certainly he hasn't done as much as a great many other people have been looked over. He went to school on scholarships which were based on race and his Muslim heritage. He's never really held a job in the private sector, let alone run a pay roll. He didn't really have to work to raise campaign funds as so many people were swept up in the 'Obamamania' phenomenon.

So regardless of your opinion of the man, what do you think his reaction will be when he is finally told NO?
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Look out Africa we're going to take the bottom dog for a while. Seriously, how are we going to pay for any of the stuff he's promising? Social Security is bankrupt, so is Medicare (thanks to W. and Part D). We're going to see a lot of taxing in the near future or we will need to start to learn Mandarin.

To answer your question: a hissy fit like a two year old. That's what most people do when they are told no for the first time in their lives. I know that because I'm surrounded by them. 8-[
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And that's what this sounds like to me.

Personally I hope this is not true, because we need real leadership at this point, and Obama is the only President we have.

Sadly, it strikes me as being in character for him.
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You clearly have no understanding of Obama's life. Being told "no" for the first time in his life? What, do you think he was raised with a silver spoon or something?
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InkL0sed wrote:You clearly have no understanding of Obama's life. Being told "no" for the first time in his life? What, do you think he was raised with a silver spoon or something?
His mother gets knocked up by a Tanzanian immigrant. It doesn't work out he moves back to Africa, while she gives birth in Hawaii. She meets a Muslim man they get hitched or something like that. They take little Barrack to Indonesia and he goes to school in a Madrassa for sometime. They come back to the good old USA when he's in his teens, smokes a little pot and gets scholarships to go to the top schools in the US. He then drops out for a little while (I think not completely sure) and meets up with a lot of questionable charaters (domestic terrorists, drug dealers, and others) gets high again, and goes back to school. Finishes in the middle of his class (no one really remembers him). He goes to Chicago and works for ACORN and some lawyers marries and becomes a Community Organizer. He then gets elected to IL's house of reps or senate (it doesn't matter does it?) and then gets elected to the Senate (does nothing there) and is finally elected President.

Oh, and somewhere he found time to write two books. Where does he find the time?

Did I miss anything?
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InkL0sed wrote:You clearly have no understanding of Obama's life. Being told "no" for the first time in his life? What, do you think he was raised with a silver spoon or something?
Something of a mix between a silver spoon and a tramp mom who was always to busy for him. I think he has some real issues, but his ego helps him to deal with them.

The point is that most of his major accomplishments, he didn't really have to work for. He's now in a position where he will be tested for the first time in his life in ways which he never has been before. Smiling for the cameras and speaking well are just not enough at this stage in the game.

Hopefully he can keep it together because we cannot afford another failed presidency (unless it's only four years).
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Man, usually you need to pay for quality psychoanalysis like that. I really hope Barack's reading this.
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Yeah, you usually do..but it's a huge waist of money :D
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jsholty4690 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:You clearly have no understanding of Obama's life. Being told "no" for the first time in his life? What, do you think he was raised with a silver spoon or something?
His mother gets knocked up by a Tanzanian immigrant. It doesn't work out he moves back to Africa, while she gives birth in Hawaii. She meets a Muslim man they get hitched or something like that. They take little Barrack to Indonesia and he goes to school in a Madrassa for sometime. They come back to the good old USA when he's in his teens, smokes a little pot and gets scholarships to go to the top schools in the US. He then drops out for a little while (I think not completely sure) and meets up with a lot of questionable charaters (domestic terrorists, drug dealers, and others) gets high again, and goes back to school. Finishes in the middle of his class (no one really remembers him). He goes to Chicago and works for ACORN and some lawyers marries and becomes a Community Organizer. He then gets elected to IL's house of reps or senate (it doesn't matter does it?) and then gets elected to the Senate (does nothing there) and is finally elected President.

Oh, and somewhere he found time to write two books. Where does he find the time?

Did I miss anything?
Yeah, you basically got all of it wrong.
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GabonX wrote:Yeah, you usually do..but it's a huge waist of money :D
I wouldn't want my psych spelling "waste" with an "I". I think you're the one with ego issues; do you spell "team" with an "I" too?
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GabonX wrote:The point is that most of his major accomplishments, he didn't really have to work for.
Seriously, that has got to be one of the sillyest thoughts you have ever posted.
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oVo wrote:
GabonX wrote:The point is that most of his major accomplishments, he didn't really have to work for.
Seriously, that has got to be one of the sillyest thoughts you have ever posted.
No way, nothing beats the "wolves, sheep, and dogs" life analysis.
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The only thing I can see that is wrong is"
Finishes in the middle of his class (no one really remembers him).
The rest is spot on. If you have any information to contradict any of that I would be very interested in seeing it.
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GabonX wrote:Yeah, you usually do..but it's a huge waist of money :D
I wouldn't want my psych spelling "waste" with an "I". I think you're the one with ego issues; do you speam "team" with an "I" too?
Your best critique on the matter is of my spelling?
WTF is "speam" anyway? Is that supposed to be "spell?"
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InkL0sed wrote:
jsholty4690 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:You clearly have no understanding of Obama's life. Being told "no" for the first time in his life? What, do you think he was raised with a silver spoon or something?
His mother gets knocked up by a Tanzanian immigrant. It doesn't work out he moves back to Africa, while she gives birth in Hawaii. She meets a Muslim man they get hitched or something like that. They take little Barrack to Indonesia and he goes to school in a Madrassa for sometime. They come back to the good old USA when he's in his teens, smokes a little pot and gets scholarships to go to the top schools in the US. He then drops out for a little while (I think not completely sure) and meets up with a lot of questionable charaters (domestic terrorists, drug dealers, and others) gets high again, and goes back to school. Finishes in the middle of his class (no one really remembers him). He goes to Chicago and works for ACORN and some lawyers marries and becomes a Community Organizer. He then gets elected to IL's house of reps or senate (it doesn't matter does it?) and then gets elected to the Senate (does nothing there) and is finally elected President.

Oh, and somewhere he found time to write two books. Where does he find the time?

Did I miss anything?
Yeah, you basically got all of it wrong.
What did I get wrong? His family life? His social circle? His work history? What? :?:
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oVo wrote:
GabonX wrote:The point is that most of his major accomplishments, he didn't really have to work for.
Seriously, that has got to be one of the sillyest thoughts you have ever posted.
He basically had everything handed to him for one reason or another, including the Presidency in part because of the unpopularity of the Republicans and in part because of his race.

It's becoming apparent to me that the democratic party is one of the most bigoted organizations in the United States today. With both a woman, AND a black man running for the nomination, there was no chance that any of the candidates with real experience would have a shot.
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jsholty4690 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
jsholty4690 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:You clearly have no understanding of Obama's life. Being told "no" for the first time in his life? What, do you think he was raised with a silver spoon or something?
His mother gets knocked up by a Tanzanian immigrant. It doesn't work out he moves back to Africa, while she gives birth in Hawaii. She meets a Muslim man they get hitched or something like that. They take little Barrack to Indonesia and he goes to school in a Madrassa for sometime. They come back to the good old USA when he's in his teens, smokes a little pot and gets scholarships to go to the top schools in the US. He then drops out for a little while (I think not completely sure) and meets up with a lot of questionable charaters (domestic terrorists, drug dealers, and others) gets high again, and goes back to school. Finishes in the middle of his class (no one really remembers him). He goes to Chicago and works for ACORN and some lawyers marries and becomes a Community Organizer. He then gets elected to IL's house of reps or senate (it doesn't matter does it?) and then gets elected to the Senate (does nothing there) and is finally elected President.

Oh, and somewhere he found time to write two books. Where does he find the time?

Did I miss anything?
Yeah, you basically got all of it wrong.
What did I get wrong? His family life? His social circle? His work history? What? :?:
It wasn't written with a tone of praise. Cardinal sin when discussing The One.
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For one thing, he worked at ACORN before going to law school. Where he most certainly did not "graduate in the middle of his class, nobody remembers him."

And yes, Gabon, prejudice in our political system exists only against white men. The fact that our senate has more Filipino transsexuals than white men proves this.
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GabonX wrote:
jsholty4690 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
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InkL0sed wrote: It wasn't written with a tone of praise. Cardinal sin when discussing The One.
I knew I should have gotten on my hands and knees and prayed to America's diety Barrack Obama. ALL PRAISE OBAMA!!
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Heaven forbid, I flipped two events in his life around. What ever should I do?
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GabonX wrote:what do you think his reaction will be when he is finally told NO?

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GabonX wrote:With both a woman, AND a black man running for the nomination, there was no chance that any of the candidates with real experience would have a shot.
In this equal opportunity new age world, even a White haired White man with a voluptuous babe
for a running mate stood a snowball's chance in hell of getting into that Oval Office.

btw... Obama has been told NO! before...

I want to see LASER BEAMS come out of his eyes and cut his detractors in half.
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spurgistan wrote:For one thing, he worked at ACORN before going to law school. Where he most certainly did not "graduate in the middle of his class, nobody remembers him."

And yes, Gabon, prejudice in our political system exists only against white men. The fact that our senate has more Filipino transsexuals than white men proves this.
Ha, Filipino transsexuals are in no way acceptable social or political leaders as there is something grossly wrong with their minds. That's not to say that I would never vote for a homosexual (despite what you guys may think, I really don't care whether a person chooses to pursue a homosexual or heterosexual lifestyle) but people who suffer from "gender identity" issues simply don't have it together. Unless there is something medically abnormal which clearly blurs the line between male and female with an individual a person is either a male or a female. Deal with it (and yes there are advantages AND disadvantages for each role in society).

Also, I never said that discrimination exists only against white men, but our recent election has demonstrated empirically that this is the most predominant discrimination which exists in the United States today..particularly in the Democratic Party.

Being female, black, gay, or some other form of minority is a political asset while being a white male is a political liability.
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And you wonder why I don't bother to actually argue with you anymore? You deserve nothing but flaming.
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oVo wrote:
GabonX wrote:With both a woman, AND a black man running for the nomination, there was no chance that any of the candidates with real experience would have a shot.
In this equal opportunity new age world, even a White haired White man with a voluptuous babe
for a running mate stood a snowball's chance in hell of getting into that Oval Office.

btw... Obama has been told NO! before...

I want to see LASER BEAMS come out of his eyes and cut his detractors in half.
That's nonsense...What are you cutting off? Is it my torso?...It is...It is. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! :o
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InkL0sed wrote:And you wonder why I don't bother to actually argue with you anymore? You deserve nothing but flaming.
I don't care if you argue or not, but to not be able to specify or criticize what you take issue with is indicative of a poorly formed world view on your part, not mine.

Also, I would warn you to avoid flaming. We aren't supposed to go that route.
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