Lefty wrote: He done blah, blah and blah really good
Righty wrote: No he never
Lefty wrote: Yes he did
Righty wrote: No he never
Lefty wrote: Yes he did
Righty wrote: No he never so ner ner ner
Lefty wrote: Yes he did so ner ner ner
Repeat for 7 - 10 pages then start new thread.
Repeat for term then see who gets elected.
Repeat as before but possibly change positions.
Gotta love the 2 party system.
mpjh wrote:He has spent quality time with his kids and wife. I do like that about him.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
jsholty4690 wrote:I'm going to start off with I'm not a supporter of his, I just want you to know how you feel about Obama job performance (as they say 'know thy enemy'). I know it's a little early to judge him on his presidency, I'm just wondering for those who voted for Obama, whether or not you like what he has been doing over the past 7 months. I would like you to answer the following questions:
What do you like that he has done?
What don't you like what he has done?
What do you want him to do in the future?
A little early to judge? Its ridiculously early to judge him. By this time in their corresponding presidencies, Clinton was messing up and Bush was doing average. Look how their overall presidencies came out compared to their starts.
Phatscotty wrote:
So.....If we did nothing....the rest of the world would have pulled out of it on their own(since for it to show up now in their economies things took a turn for the better at least 7 months ago) and we'd be in a depression. something about that does not add up.
Why would their economies have to turn around 7 months ago to show up now? France and Germany only got out of recession in the 2nd quartile of the year, and chances are that in the first month, maybe more, of that quartile they may still have technically been in recession. They only grew by 0.3% in that quarter which is a very slow rate when compared to the past 15 years (thus meaning that the recovery is still happening, just being out of recession does not mean that your economy is back to normal).
A lot of the reasoning as to why they've turned around is due to the stimulus and the car scrappage scheme. I've heard some economists say that they are not really out, but these programmes have created the illusion that they are. Stimulus was put in place after G20 (April), and car scrappage scheme even later then that.
thegreekdog wrote:I I also have a major problem with hypocrisy, which is apparently what the president and his supporters are about, at least regarding spending and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Explain?
I've explained it in other threads, but I'll do it again. Three major criticisms that the president and his supporters had about Republicans and President Bush were: (1) spending, (2) the war in Iraq, and (3) the lack of government transparency. President Obama and his supporters rallied around these three issues (among others): balance the budget, stop the war in Iraq, and have much greater transparency in government. Instead of fulfilling his promises, President Obama has increase spending to record levels in record time, continues to prosecute the war in Iraq with no end in sight and no plan in sight, and has the same or less transparency that President Bush (I only say less because the White House reporters are still treating him with kid gloves; I suspect now that his ratings are down the gloves may come off).
thegreekdog wrote:I I also have a major problem with hypocrisy, which is apparently what the president and his supporters are about, at least regarding spending and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Explain?
I've explained it in other threads, but I'll do it again. Three major criticisms that the president and his supporters had about Republicans and President Bush were: (1) spending, (2) the war in Iraq, and (3) the lack of government transparency. President Obama and his supporters rallied around these three issues (among others): balance the budget, stop the war in Iraq, and have much greater transparency in government. Instead of fulfilling his promises, President Obama has increase spending to record levels in record time, continues to prosecute the war in Iraq with no end in sight and no plan in sight, and has the same or less transparency that President Bush (I only say less because the White House reporters are still treating him with kid gloves; I suspect now that his ratings are down the gloves may come off).
OK. You do have some points. I don't completely agree, but I won't debate it here.
thegreekdog wrote:I I also have a major problem with hypocrisy, which is apparently what the president and his supporters are about, at least regarding spending and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Explain?
I've explained it in other threads, but I'll do it again. Three major criticisms that the president and his supporters had about Republicans and President Bush were: (1) spending, (2) the war in Iraq, and (3) the lack of government transparency. President Obama and his supporters rallied around these three issues (among others): balance the budget, stop the war in Iraq, and have much greater transparency in government. Instead of fulfilling his promises, President Obama has increase spending to record levels in record time, continues to prosecute the war in Iraq with no end in sight and no plan in sight, and has the same or less transparency that President Bush (I only say less because the White House reporters are still treating him with kid gloves; I suspect now that his ratings are down the gloves may come off).
OK. You do have some points. I don't completely agree, but I won't debate it here.
Oi, what's all this mature adult debate - where am I gonna get my internetz lulz from now?
thegreekdog wrote:I I also have a major problem with hypocrisy, which is apparently what the president and his supporters are about, at least regarding spending and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Explain?
I've explained it in other threads, but I'll do it again. Three major criticisms that the president and his supporters had about Republicans and President Bush were: (1) spending, (2) the war in Iraq, and (3) the lack of government transparency. President Obama and his supporters rallied around these three issues (among others): balance the budget, stop the war in Iraq, and have much greater transparency in government. Instead of fulfilling his promises, President Obama has increase spending to record levels in record time, continues to prosecute the war in Iraq with no end in sight and no plan in sight, and has the same or less transparency that President Bush (I only say less because the White House reporters are still treating him with kid gloves; I suspect now that his ratings are down the gloves may come off).
OK. You do have some points. I don't completely agree, but I won't debate it here.
Phatscotty wrote:Genuinely curious what the liberals have to say. It's confusing sometimes being enclosed in my right-wing knuckle-dragging wife-beating scotch-breathe tea-bagging bubble.
Been the first black president of the United States of America.
If he does absolutely nothing else during his term, he'll still have been the most important person in American history in a long, long time. Which automatically makes him important on a global scale.
Oh, I also left out that instead of the media talking about " 3 soldiers were killed " they say
3 Troops were killed.
each troop consist of more than 1 soldier usually several soldiers.
so, more military personnel have died since he sent soldiers to Afganistan.
the other thing is that he did not send enough troops to Afganistan making the death toll of our American soldiers higher and, way less safe.
As a veteran I hate what he is doing to our men & women at arms.
Roger Dodger wrote:Oh, I also left out that instead of the media talking about " 3 soldiers were killed " they say
3 Troops were killed.
each troop consist of more than 1 soldier usually several soldiers.
so, more military personnel have died since he sent soldiers to Afganistan.
the other thing is that he did not send enough troops to Afganistan making the death toll of our American soldiers higher and, way less safe.
As a veteran I hate what he is doing to our men & women at arms.
Are you talking about Obama?
I dont quite understand your first point. If someone dies, they die. The media arn't going to say 1 troop died, if in fact 6 people actually died.
Secondly, he didnt send enough troops? At least hes trying to sort the country out, Bush just completely ignored it from late 2002 onwards which is why the Taliban have reemerged as a very strong force.
What, exactly, is President Obama doing to "sort the country out" and what evidence suggests that President Bush was not engaged in sorting the country out?
thegreekdog wrote:What, exactly, is President Obama doing to "sort the country out" and what evidence suggests that President Bush was not engaged in sorting the country out?
Well, Bush is one of the main culprits for actually getting us into this mess, and then his solution was to throw $700bn at the problem and not even have any oversight on who gets what and what it is used for.
With Obama's stimulus (the thing to sort the country out), he has a lot of oversight and even set up a web page so everyone can follow the money. The stimulus and other schemes (Cash for Clunkers) have helped the economy to stabilise, and in the next 18 months will help the economy get back on track and become viable in the long term.
thegreekdog wrote:What, exactly, is President Obama doing to "sort the country out" and what evidence suggests that President Bush was not engaged in sorting the country out?
Well, Bush is one of the main culprits for actually getting us into this mess, and then his solution was to throw $700bn at the problem and not even have any oversight on who gets what and what it is used for.
With Obama's stimulus (the thing to sort the country out), he has a lot of oversight and even set up a web page so everyone can follow the money. The stimulus and other schemes (Cash for Clunkers) have helped the economy to stabilise, and in the next 18 months will help the economy get back on track and become viable in the long term.
I misunderstood your original point. I thought by "country" you meant Iraq, not the US.
thegreekdog wrote:
I misunderstood your original point. I thought by "country" you meant Iraq, not the US.
If your talking about this....
Titanic wrote:Are you talking about Obama?
I dont quite understand your first point. If someone dies, they die. The media arn't going to say 1 troop died, if in fact 6 people actually died.
Secondly, he didnt send enough troops? At least hes trying to sort the country out, Bush just completely ignored it from late 2002 onwards which is why the Taliban have reemerged as a very strong force.
By country, I meant Afghanistan, hence the Taliban.
thegreekdog wrote:What, exactly, is President Obama doing to "sort the country out" and what evidence suggests that President Bush was not engaged in sorting the country out?
Well, Bush is one of the main culprits for actually getting us into this mess, and then his solution was to throw $700bn at the problem and not even have any oversight on who gets what and what it is used for.
With Obama's stimulus (the thing to sort the country out), he has a lot of oversight and even set up a web page so everyone can follow the money. The stimulus and other schemes (Cash for Clunkers) have helped the economy to stabilise, and in the next 18 months will help the economy get back on track and become viable in the long term.
But Bush's 700 bln, is BEING PAID BACK, with interest. Obama's is simply a transfer of wealth. Look at the government's Citi shares. THe government actually OWNS something. Cash for Clunkers did nothing to stimulate the economy. All it did was make people who were going to buy a car, buy one in a certain month. Now GM and others are ramping up production, to refill inventories. Guess what, that inventory isn't actually needed.
nothing wrong with a little bit of man on dog love.
thegreekdog wrote:What, exactly, is President Obama doing to "sort the country out" and what evidence suggests that President Bush was not engaged in sorting the country out?
Well, Bush is one of the main culprits for actually getting us into this mess, and then his solution was to throw $700bn at the problem and not even have any oversight on who gets what and what it is used for.
With Obama's stimulus (the thing to sort the country out), he has a lot of oversight and even set up a web page so everyone can follow the money. The stimulus and other schemes (Cash for Clunkers) have helped the economy to stabilise, and in the next 18 months will help the economy get back on track and become viable in the long term.
But Bush's 700 bln, is BEING PAID BACK, with interest. Obama's is simply a transfer of wealth. Look at the government's Citi shares. THe government actually OWNS something. Cash for Clunkers did nothing to stimulate the economy. All it did was make people who were going to buy a car, buy one in a certain month. Now GM and others are ramping up production, to refill inventories. Guess what, that inventory isn't actually needed.
... That $4500 didn't just materialize from thin air, eh?
