Black Whole Mafia - Closed because of inactivity

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:14 pm

I agree about the lurkers, I dont want to call them out on it though because I believe one of them to be the doctor...

Also, about the special roles, there is still that random voter who put the last vote on Grim.

dagreatbroomhead · Post by **dagreatbroomhead** » Sun May 21, 2006 2:18 pm

Hear This! Hear This. The God of the Skies has decreed that there will be a deadline of May 28th. that means that whoever has the most votes at the time will be killed, and in the case of a tie, the person who reached the amount of votes last, gets lynched. around noonish, i guess, but sometime that day.

SO GET POSTING AND VOTING

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:30 pm

Here is how I see everyone at the moment.

Me- Cant be Mafia- Saved N1

Cahoots- Cant be Mafia*- Insane Cop

Cutlah/Fishfleas- Cant be Mafia* (could be power role)- Cahoots found them guilty which means they arent

SprCobra/Axelius- Power role (One is doctor one is mafia, they could both be mafia but that is very unlikely. Most of the time one mafia is very active and one is very quiet. I ruled out the anonymous voter because neither of them voted when the anonymous voter did) - If they arent a power role, why would they lurk?

Kingwaffles- No alibi**

Hoff- No alibi**- Claims to be town, not power role***

*If cahoots is the insane cop

**No alibi does not mean mafia although if the above stated is true then one of these two have got to be mafia.

*** I put away my bias when making this post but I still think that hoff is the play.

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:54 pm

Machiavelli wrote:Here is how I see everyone at the moment.

Me- Cant be Mafia- Saved N1

Cahoots- Cant be Mafia*- Insane Cop

Cutlah/Fishfleas- Cant be Mafia* (could be power role)- Cahoots found them guilty which means they arent

SprCobra/Axelius- Power role (One is doctor one is mafia, they could both be mafia but that is very unlikely. Most of the time one mafia is very active and one is very quiet. I ruled out the anonymous voter because neither of them voted when the anonymous voter did) - If they arent a power role, why would they lurk?

Kingwaffles- No alibi**

Hoff- No alibi**- Claims to be town, not power role***

*If cahoots is the insane cop

**No alibi does not mean mafia although if the above stated is true then one of these two have got to be mafia.

*** I put away my bias when making this post but I still think that hoff is the play.

Your logic is flawed.
You do not know how the powers work. Say there is a doctor, maybe he could only pic a random person do save. He randomly picks you to save. Either you knew you were getting saved and decided to try to kill yourself, thus getting saved and making yourself look completely innocent. Its possible.

Cahoots has no alibi either. All she said was that she go information and tried to get us to vote off someone who wasnt mafia. Her alibi is based on her saying that she isnt mafia. Thats no alibi either. Anyone could make up some story and try to get people to believe it.

Cutlah and fishfleas have no alibi either. Say cahoots was mafia and she threw in their names to cover her tracks and their tracks. Maybe she knew we wouldnt vote them out because we no longer trust her "information". So that eliminates their alibis also. And say cahoots really was this cop, and she really did get some bad information about them, but whos to say that all of her information was wrong? You dont know, there is no alibi there either.

I dont feel like going into more detail about everyone else. But i'm just pointing out that the alibi that you say you and other people have are not real alibis. Still for me, cahoots looks the most obvious choice. There is no reason for us to believe her story and she blantanly mislead us to kill a towns person.

cutlah45 · Post by **cutlah45** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:40 pm

I dont believe that mach is mafia, I dont think that he could know he was picked to be saved, therefore he woudln't kill himself.

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Sun May 21, 2006 6:00 pm

But say that mach pretended to be a towns person. And had a secret talk with someone and convinced that person to save him. Then he would be free to kill himself making himself look completely innocent. I dont think he is mafia either, i'm just poiting out that his alibi is no better then anyone else's really. And it all just comes down to your gut feeling.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:29 pm

I dunno, there isn't really any way for anyone to have a "secret talk" with anyone without cheating, unless your both fall into one of several groups, including Mafia, Cult, Masons(I believe), and possibly some others. I trust Mach as an obviously experienced player to cheating like that.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:31 pm

Silly me, I can't type. I meant to say I trust Mach to avoid cheating like that.

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:04 pm

Yeah i did mean to accuse him of cheating. And i dont think he is mafia either, but nobody right now has a full proff alibi. That was my main point. And i still think we should go with cahoots. She misled us to vote for the wrong person. I dont trust the story of her being a cop.

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:20 pm

sorry!!! typo, I didn't mean to accuse anyone of cheating.

dagreatbroomhead · Post by **dagreatbroomhead** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:31 pm

Machiavelli wrote:Me- Cant be Mafia- Saved N1

*ahem* Rule 11:

His Awsomeness wrote:11. My Day Scenes are fun, and mean nothing toward the game, please don't read into them.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:46 pm

Hoff, would you like to jump ship and accuse me?

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:49 pm

No i'm not accusing. But i dont really understand what broomhead means by his post.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:51 pm

Also, further evidence on Hoff, cahoots is one vote away from a lynch and yet she has not been put down, that is pretty assuring that both of the mafia have their vote on her at the moment. I have already ruled out cutlah and cahoots so yes I am accusing Axelius of being your partner. I am surprised that he did not claim doctor, although he probably knew that Sprcobra would counter claim.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun May 21, 2006 8:58 pm

Hoff wrote:No i'm not accusing. But i dont really understand what broomhead means by his post.

He wants to point out that at the moment you all have no reason to believe that I am not mafia, aside from the fact that I am basically the only person giving logical arguments.

That is why I asked if you were going to jump ship, I thought you would say something like "he was just throwing around accusations to divert the attention from himself," which is probably the easiest way to accuse me

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:05 pm

Sorry for the triple post but a while ago I wrote a rebuttal to your post about my *flawed* system. I forgot to post it but here it is.

Hoff wrote:Your logic is flawed.
You do not know how the powers work. Say there is a doctor, maybe he could only pic a random person do save.

How would a doctor "pick randomly?" If they pick, then they are choosing. If it is random then there isnt really a doctor, the mod would just decide who to save. Mod's dont do that.

Hoff wrote:He randomly picks you to save.

Again with the random picking...

Hoff wrote:Either you knew you were getting saved and decided to try to kill yourself, thus getting saved and making yourself look completely .

First off, how would I know that I was getting saved? Secondly, why would the mafia waste a night on themself?

Hoff wrote: Its possible.

Not really...

Hoff wrote:Cahoots has no alibi either. All she said was that she got information and tried to get us to vote off someone who wasnt mafia. Her alibi is based on her saying that she isnt mafia. Thats no alibi either.

That's why I had the asteriscs(sp). if you do not believe that cahoots is an insane cop then the rest of the logic is questionable.

Hoff wrote:Anyone could make up some story and try to get people to believe it.

like you are right now?

Hoff wrote:Still for me, cahoots looks the most obvious choice.

And the most obvious choice is the best choice?

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:46 pm

I dont lie how everyone has remained silent throughout this debate. It makes everyone else a little more scummy which in turn makes hoff (and kingwaffles for that matter) a little less scummy,

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:47 pm

EBWODP

lie=like

Hoff · Post by **Hoff** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:57 pm

Can people get to voting? Where is fishfleas, i havent seen him post anything in awhile.

thegrimsleeper · Post by **thegrimsleeper** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:14 pm

Grim's Ghost wrote:Oh, it takes all of 4 hours to lynch me, and once I'm out, you pansies need nine days to get another vote going?! Pathetic! Make a decision already!

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon May 22, 2006 5:32 pm

I was wondering, if we catch someone in a lie, do you guys think that they deserve an automatic lynch?

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:13 pm

Maybe, depends on the severity of the lie. I think I'd have to see this lie before I decided.

Also what do you mean by EBWODP?

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon May 22, 2006 7:58 pm

EPWODP means edit by way of double post, because we aren't aloud to actually edit.

And the lie was meade by cahoots...

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Mon May 22, 2006 8:13 pm

By that I assume you are talking about how she accused Grim and he was a townie. I can't seem to find anything else. Now I am rather confused as a few posts back you were arguing to keep her alive for that same reason because you think she's a paranoid cop. So yeah....

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:21 pm

No one besides me even knows what the lie that cahoots did is. No it's not about grim...

I PMed Broomy and he told me something...

Im not sure if he will let me use it in the game yet though...

It's never good to off the mod...