Land of the Free

[comic boy]

What laughable gung ho nonsense, perfect example of what I have been talking about. What does it matter if the Marines or the British Royal Marines or indeed any other armed force is the best or bravest or has the biggest cocks . Why do you need to boast about everything and insist that everything in the States is bigger and better, what makes you so insecure that you need to do this

What, should I believe in that new age hippie bullshit that everything is equal? Should I stop competing to get ahead? Should I just stop caring and get high all day? If we are the best, then I will be proud of it. It is a matter of pride to have the best. The best high school athletes, the fastest car, the highest score in a video game, the fastest time doing something, it is natural to want to be the best. The Marines are the best regular infantry. Even if philosophical minds like you, who have yet to accomplish anything worth being proud of, don't realize that a country needs soldiers, they are absolutely necessary, so if my countries are the best, damn straight I am going to stand up and say it.

Well Im pretty sure that my educational achievements are more accomplished than yours and Im definitely a better player on here so shall I start boasting about it, what would be the point, wouldnt it just make me seem an arrogant prick ? The point is that if you want to boast about the perceived great things about your country then you should face up to the less good, the appalling figures for prison incarceration or gun deaths for example.

[Titanic]

What laughable gung ho nonsense, perfect example of what I have been talking about. What does it matter if the Marines or the British Royal Marines or indeed any other armed force is the best or bravest or has the biggest cocks . Why do you need to boast about everything and insist that everything in the States is bigger and better, what makes you so insecure that you need to do this

What, should I believe in that new age hippie bullshit that everything is equal? Should I stop competing to get ahead? Should I just stop caring and get high all day? If we are the best, then I will be proud of it. It is a matter of pride to have the best. The best high school athletes, the fastest car, the highest score in a video game, the fastest time doing something, it is natural to want to be the best. The Marines are the best regular infantry. Even if philosophical minds like you, who have yet to accomplish anything worth being proud of, don't realize that a country needs soldiers, they are absolutely necessary, so if my countries are the best, damn straight I am going to stand up and say it.

And another one whose completely missed the point.

What with the name calling in so many posts by you. You think calling us "liberals, "hippies" or "commies" wins you an arguament? It makes you look weak and pathetic and out of ideas.

Also he didn't say there is nothing wrong with striving to be the best, just that your mentality that everything American is automatically the best is pure bs. And when did he say that a country does not need soldiers?!?

Liberals are what you are. It is not a derogatory name, it is a classification. I called AAFitz a commie as a joke in the death penalty thread. I said hippies once, and didn't actually call anyone it, if you can actually comprehend the English language.

Where exactly did I say that everything in the States is the best?

What does it matter if the Marines or the British Royal Marines or indeed any other armed force is the best or bravest or has the biggest cocks

Right there. Although he didn't say it expressly, he implies that the prowess of a nations fighting force is unimportant.

We're not necessarily all liberals. I'm only centre left, and there are others who will agree with me on certain issue but be centrists. Also, just to clasify everyone with out viewpoint as liberal is stereotyping to a great degree, as liberalism has a huge variety of meanings but also stretches very little in its political definitions.

Btw, with that statement hes not implying that armies are unimportant, hes saying that this notion that one army is superior and better and more macho then the others is a stupid sentiment, and that promoting your own army in that way over others who are equally capable makes you look like a bit of a pr*ck.

[Burrito]

What laughable gung ho nonsense, perfect example of what I have been talking about. What does it matter if the Marines or the British Royal Marines or indeed any other armed force is the best or bravest or has the biggest cocks . Why do you need to boast about everything and insist that everything in the States is bigger and better, what makes you so insecure that you need to do this

What, should I believe in that new age hippie bullshit that everything is equal? Should I stop competing to get ahead? Should I just stop caring and get high all day? If we are the best, then I will be proud of it. It is a matter of pride to have the best. The best high school athletes, the fastest car, the highest score in a video game, the fastest time doing something, it is natural to want to be the best. The Marines are the best regular infantry. Even if philosophical minds like you, who have yet to accomplish anything worth being proud of, don't realize that a country needs soldiers, they are absolutely necessary, so if my countries are the best, damn straight I am going to stand up and say it.

Well Im pretty sure that my educational achievements are more accomplished than yours and Im definitely a better player on here so shall I start boasting about it, what would be the point, wouldnt it just make me seem an arrogant prick ? The point is that if you want to boast about the perceived great things about your country then you should face up to the less good, the appalling figures for prison incarceration or gun deaths for example.

Educational achievements produce little actual accomplishment, it is what you do with that education. I didn't begin by saying "the Marines are the best in the world", I only defended their reputation after others started bad mouthing them. I

I didn't deny what was wrong in my country. I see no reason to make a list of everything that is wrong and post it on here, but I didn't deny anything that is undeniably true about the U.S. I didn't deny that we currently have the largest prison population in developed countries, I only stated that numbers form other countries probably don't represent the true picture.

[Symmetry]

What laughable gung ho nonsense, perfect example of what I have been talking about. What does it matter if the Marines or the British Royal Marines or indeed any other armed force is the best or bravest or has the biggest cocks . Why do you need to boast about everything and insist that everything in the States is bigger and better, what makes you so insecure that you need to do this

What, should I believe in that new age hippie bullshit that everything is equal? Should I stop competing to get ahead? Should I just stop caring and get high all day? If we are the best, then I will be proud of it. It is a matter of pride to have the best. The best high school athletes, the fastest car, the highest score in a video game, the fastest time doing something, it is natural to want to be the best. The Marines are the best regular infantry. Even if philosophical minds like you, who have yet to accomplish anything worth being proud of, don't realize that a country needs soldiers, they are absolutely necessary, so if my countries are the best, damn straight I am going to stand up and say it.

Well Im pretty sure that my educational achievements are more accomplished than yours and Im definitely a better player on here so shall I start boasting about it, what would be the point, wouldnt it just make me seem an arrogant prick ? The point is that if you want to boast about the perceived great things about your country then you should face up to the less good, the appalling figures for prison incarceration or gun deaths for example.

Educational achievements produce little actual accomplishment, it is what you do with that education. I didn't begin by saying "the Marines are the best in the world", I only defended their reputation after others started bad mouthing them. I

I didn't deny what was wrong in my country. I see no reason to make a list of everything that is wrong and post it on here, but I didn't deny anything that is undeniably true about the U.S. I didn't deny that we currently have the largest prison population in developed countries, I only stated that numbers form other countries probably don't represent the true picture.

Feel free to consult the links I've posted above if you need to compare prison figures. I have no opinion about whose infantry is more hardcore though. What do you think the true picture is on prison populations in developed countries? I have to argue with someone, Phatscotty kind of bailed

[comic boy]

Somewhat ironic given that the United States has the largest prison population in the World, both in actual numbers and as a per capita percentage.

Did you consider that fact that much of the world isn't stable enough to have a system in place to properly catch criminals? Or that the United States offers the closest thing to true freedom that is possible while still having a stable government, which means that people here have the choice to do what they want? A lot of them choose to commit crimes, and they get caught. If 3rd world countries were identical to the way they are now, except with a justice system like the one the U.S. has, do you really think that they would have (relatively) fewer prisoners? The reason the numbers are so high here is because people here actually get caught.

The numbers in the USA are 5 times higher than the average for the DEVELOPED World , are you seriously suggesting that the whole of Europe, for example, is both unstable and does not contain free and democratic countries with efficient policing.......get real !

Would you start actually reading my post? I said that I doubt that the U.S. has the highest percentage of criminals because numbers from much of the world are unreliable. I didn't deny that the U.S. has the highest percentage in the the developed world. So now, I wasn't insinuating anything about Europe, unless you think your own socialist shithole is classified under "developing/underdeveloped".

Nice try but my insecurity doesn't run to being offended by rather juvenile name calling, particularly since my freedom hating commie shithole of residence locks up and murders rather less citizens than yours

[Burrito]

We're not necessarily all liberals. I'm only centre left, and there are others who will agree with me on certain issue but be centrists. Also, just to clasify everyone with out viewpoint as liberal is stereotyping to a great degree, as liberalism has a huge variety of meanings but also stretches very little in its political definitions.

Btw, with that statement hes not implying that armies are unimportant, hes saying that this notion that one army is superior and better and more macho then the others is a stupid sentiment, and that promoting your own army in that way over others who are equally capable makes you look like a bit of a pr*ck.

Center left sounds like a liberal to me, and I am pretty sure that Symmetry, comic boy, and others would be classified under "liberal".

You seem like you are saying that every army is equal, which is absolutely ridiculous.

[comic boy]

its a ridiculous assertion, and challenege you to back up someone elses facts, lol??? either one of ya, That BS and your lying, and sym doesnt even care hes just on the wagon for the ride

So How does it feel to be proved so utterly wrong , all gas and shit again eh but no substance ,you really should lay off those chilly burgers

PS Burritos aren't any good either

[Burrito]

Somewhat ironic given that the United States has the largest prison population in the World, both in actual numbers and as a per capita percentage.

Did you consider that fact that much of the world isn't stable enough to have a system in place to properly catch criminals? Or that the United States offers the closest thing to true freedom that is possible while still having a stable government, which means that people here have the choice to do what they want? A lot of them choose to commit crimes, and they get caught. If 3rd world countries were identical to the way they are now, except with a justice system like the one the U.S. has, do you really think that they would have (relatively) fewer prisoners? The reason the numbers are so high here is because people here actually get caught.

The numbers in the USA are 5 times higher than the average for the DEVELOPED World , are you seriously suggesting that the whole of Europe, for example, is both unstable and does not contain free and democratic countries with efficient policing.......get real !

Would you start actually reading my post? I said that I doubt that the U.S. has the highest percentage of criminals because numbers from much of the world are unreliable. I didn't deny that the U.S. has the highest percentage in the the developed world. So now, I wasn't insinuating anything about Europe, unless you think your own socialist shithole is classified under "developing/underdeveloped".

Nice try but my insecurity doesn't run to being offended by rather juvenile name calling, particularly since my freedom hating commie shithole of residence locks up and murders rather less citizens than yours

The last part was a joke because if you had read the previous posts thoroughly, you would realize that I was talking about countries that are not developed.

Feel free to consult the links I've posted above if you need to compare prison figures. I have no opinion about whose infantry is more hardcore though. What do you think the true picture is on prison populations in developed countries? I have to argue with someone, Phatscotty kind of bailed

I see that I need to spell it out for you. YES, THE U.S. HAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF ITS POPULATION IN PRISON THAN OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES. HOWEVER, MOST OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION RESIDES IN COUNTRIES WHERE THERE IS POOR/FAKE RECORD KEEPING. THEY PROBABLY HAVE MORE CRIMINALS, BUT THOSE CRIMINALS SIMPLY AREN'T IN JAIL BECAUSE THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS. Did you understand it that time? I can make the font size bigger and use smaller words if that will help.

[Symmetry]

Feel free to consult the links I've posted above if you need to compare prison figures. I have no opinion about whose infantry is more hardcore though. What do you think the true picture is on prison populations in developed countries? I have to argue with someone, Phatscotty kind of bailed

I see that I need to spell it out for you. YES, THE U.S. HAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF ITS POPULATION IN PRISON THAN OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES. HOWEVER, MOST OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION RESIDES IN COUNTRIES WHERE THERE IS POOR/FAKE RECORD KEEPING. THEY PROBABLY HAVE MORE CRIMINALS, BUT THOSE CRIMINALS SIMPLY AREN'T IN JAIL BECAUSE THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS. Did you understand it that time? I can make the font size bigger and use smaller words if that will help.

Erm- that wasn't Titanic's post you just quoted. Anyway, your post still doesn't make sense. I get what you're saying. It just doesn't have any relevance to anything.

[notyou2]

Canada is very similar to the US in many respects, yet the US has almost 7 times as many people incarcerated per capita according to the links posted here.

Why?

Is it the standard of living?
Is it the fact that there are more poor people per capita?
Is the justice system flawed in favour of the prosecution?
Is it because many people have very limited medical coverage and steal to help their loved ones?

Don't say its the law enforcement as we have very good law enforcement here.

[Juan_Bottom]

Is it because many people have very limited medical coverage and steal to help their loved ones?

lol.



Does anyone have some sort of study as to the number of freedoms that countries enjoy? I would wager that the free-er a people are born, the more likely they are to have a stricter set of laws.

Canada is very similar to the US in many respects, yet the US has almost 7 times as many people incarcerated per capita according to the links posted here.

Why?

Well to be fair, Canada is cold as mother's heart 8 months of the year, so that has to deter crime, and as near as I can tell your people seem to care more about their communities. I don't think that I've ever seen any Canadian slums before. Though I'm just spit balling there. Plus you guys are so far north that you have no gravity for 6 hours a day. Fact.
I think that the big factor though is mind-sets. I remember Jones making a point that in the UK people wanted to follow the rules more so than in the USA.
My state also has a horrific habit of raising penalties and fines for crimes to help raise revenue. Which is something no one complains about. Easier to do than cutting a school budget anyways.

[grandin]

Does anyone have some sort of study as to the number of freedoms that countries enjoy?

I guess these could be of interest:

World Freedom Atlas
Democracy_Index
Human_Development_Index
HRW World Report

[neanderpaul14]

yeah and "home of the brave" bombing the shit out of the 3rd world, (wait let me get a dictionary).. yes, actually that IS the definition of bravery.. its right here "Bravery (noun); hitting someone who are unable to defend themselves"

Wow a German giving sh*t to an American for beating up on weaker people, of course everyone knows that the Germans would never attack or kill weaker people, or those who couldn't defend themselves,......oh wait a minute never mind.

[Iliad]

yeah and "home of the brave" bombing the shit out of the 3rd world, (wait let me get a dictionary).. yes, actually that IS the definition of bravery.. its right here "Bravery (noun); hitting someone who are unable to defend themselves"

Wow a German giving sh*t to an American for beating up on weaker people, of course everyone knows that the Germans would never attack or kill weaker people, or those who couldn't defend themselves,......oh wait a minute never mind.

Wow. You tried to retort the argument that horrible things are going on right now by the US and this should change by alluding to wars and atrocities committed by people from the same country but those probably committed far before his time and. Nice to see you focusing on trying to prove why the US is the land of the free and not resorting to ad hominems. Oh wait.

[Titanic]

Does anyone have some sort of study as to the number of freedoms that countries enjoy?

I guess these could be of interest:

World Freedom Atlas
Democracy_Index
Human_Development_Index
HRW World Report

Yer those are good measures. Also could add corruption index, freedom of the press, education levels etc...

A common theme occurs as to which countries occupy the top 3/5 spots (hint, its not the USA).

[anonymus]

I was referring to the US army in general more then just marines. Btw, did you get raped by a marine or something because you really don't have a sense of humour.

I've enlisted in the Marines. It is occasionally hard to tell when someone is serious and when they are joking when their words are written down.

Ok this is just generally aimed at you, but this quote kind of sums up what kind of person you are.. like i previously stated, cannon-fodder.. and do not take this the wrong way man, I feel for you i really do you got a rough deal buying the propaganda and enlisting.. Especially in he faceless masses of the infantry.. I know its not your fault but your purpose in the us forces hasn't changed much compared to the purpose of infantry in the 17th century.. and I am sure you guys are really tough and all, but it does not change this fact. (at least i had the sense to do my military service in a real regiment and the even bigger sense to go civilian (although that took a while for me to realise)). Maybe after a couple of years you to will come to realise you are not an important gear in a big machinery, but a pawn in someone else's chess-game..

[anonymus]

yeah and "home of the brave" bombing the shit out of the 3rd world, (wait let me get a dictionary).. yes, actually that IS the definition of bravery.. its right here "Bravery (noun); hitting someone who are unable to defend themselves"

Wow a German giving sh*t to an American for beating up on weaker people, of course everyone knows that the Germans would never attack or kill weaker people, or those who couldn't defend themselves,......oh wait a minute never mind.

well actually im not german, and neither did i play a big role in the running of the 3rd reich, but hey, you could have been on to something there mate..

[Symmetry]

Does anyone have some sort of study as to the number of freedoms that countries enjoy?

I guess these could be of interest:

World Freedom Atlas
Democracy_Index
Human_Development_Index
HRW World Report

Excellent- good to see some decent sources (even though the middle two are wiki. Kind of begs the (completely fatuous) question, if you love freedom so much why don't you move to Sweden?

Although, to be fair, that's a question I ask myself whenever I meet a Swedish girl.

[anonymus]

Does anyone have some sort of study as to the number of freedoms that countries enjoy?

I guess these could be of interest:

World Freedom Atlas
Democracy_Index
Human_Development_Index
HRW World Report

Excellent- good to see some decent sources (even though the middle two are wiki. Kind of begs the (completely fatuous) question, if you love freedom so much why don't you move to Sweden?

Although, to be fair, that's a question I ask myself whenever I meet a Swedish girl.

mmmm.. swedish girls...

[Burrito]

I was referring to the US army in general more then just marines. Btw, did you get raped by a marine or something because you really don't have a sense of humour.

I've enlisted in the Marines. It is occasionally hard to tell when someone is serious and when they are joking when their words are written down.

Ok this is just generally aimed at you, but this quote kind of sums up what kind of person you are.. like i previously stated, cannon-fodder.. and do not take this the wrong way man, I feel for you i really do you got a rough deal buying the propaganda and enlisting.. Especially in he faceless masses of the infantry.. I know its not your fault but your purpose in the us forces hasn't changed much compared to the purpose of infantry in the 17th century.. and I am sure you guys are really tough and all, but it does not change this fact. (at least i had the sense to do my military service in a real regiment and the even bigger sense to go civilian (although that took a while for me to realise)). Maybe after a couple of years you to will come to realise you are not an important gear in a big machinery, but a pawn in someone else's chess-game..

And yet my life will be marked with action and accomplishment, while the other people really don't accomplish much in your lifetime. I wonder what you have accomplished in your life?

[Titanic]

Burrito, there are other and better ways of accomplising things in your life then being a soldier. Stop trying to condisend us.

[jnd94]

"What, the land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy!"

[Nobunaga]

I was referring to the US army in general more then just marines. Btw, did you get raped by a marine or something because you really don't have a sense of humour.

I've enlisted in the Marines. It is occasionally hard to tell when someone is serious and when they are joking when their words are written down.

Ok this is just generally aimed at you, but this quote kind of sums up what kind of person you are.. like i previously stated, cannon-fodder.. and do not take this the wrong way man, I feel for you i really do you got a rough deal buying the propaganda and enlisting.. Especially in he faceless masses of the infantry.. I know its not your fault but your purpose in the us forces hasn't changed much compared to the purpose of infantry in the 17th century.. and I am sure you guys are really tough and all, but it does not change this fact. (at least i had the sense to do my military service in a real regiment and the even bigger sense to go civilian (although that took a while for me to realise)). Maybe after a couple of years you to will come to realise you are not an important gear in a big machinery, but a pawn in someone else's chess-game..

... Spoken like a true civy.

... Burrito, you cannot expect civis to comprehend. You are completely foreign to them.

...

[anonymus]

I was referring to the US army in general more then just marines. Btw, did you get raped by a marine or something because you really don't have a sense of humour.

I've enlisted in the Marines. It is occasionally hard to tell when someone is serious and when they are joking when their words are written down.

Ok this is just generally aimed at you, but this quote kind of sums up what kind of person you are.. like i previously stated, cannon-fodder.. and do not take this the wrong way man, I feel for you i really do you got a rough deal buying the propaganda and enlisting.. Especially in he faceless masses of the infantry.. I know its not your fault but your purpose in the us forces hasn't changed much compared to the purpose of infantry in the 17th century.. and I am sure you guys are really tough and all, but it does not change this fact. (at least i had the sense to do my military service in a real regiment and the even bigger sense to go civilian (although that took a while for me to realise)). Maybe after a couple of years you to will come to realise you are not an important gear in a big machinery, but a pawn in someone else's chess-game..

And yet my life will be marked with action and accomplishment, while the other people really don't accomplish much in your lifetime. I wonder what you have accomplished in your life?

For once i managed to get out of the army.. that felt good.. i miss they guys and all, but i rather follow my own path rather than a government who is only acting in the interest of big corporations.. im doing ok now, thanks for caring mr marine..

[anonymus]

I was referring to the US army in general more then just marines. Btw, did you get raped by a marine or something because you really don't have a sense of humour.

I've enlisted in the Marines. It is occasionally hard to tell when someone is serious and when they are joking when their words are written down.

Ok this is just generally aimed at you, but this quote kind of sums up what kind of person you are.. like i previously stated, cannon-fodder.. and do not take this the wrong way man, I feel for you i really do you got a rough deal buying the propaganda and enlisting.. Especially in he faceless masses of the infantry.. I know its not your fault but your purpose in the us forces hasn't changed much compared to the purpose of infantry in the 17th century.. and I am sure you guys are really tough and all, but it does not change this fact. (at least i had the sense to do my military service in a real regiment and the even bigger sense to go civilian (although that took a while for me to realise)). Maybe after a couple of years you to will come to realise you are not an important gear in a big machinery, but a pawn in someone else's chess-game..

... Spoken like a true civy.

... Burrito, you cannot expect civis to comprehend. You are completely foreign to them.

...

i do have some experience on the subject if you bother to read more than one post, but yes. now i am a civilian (although sill technically a reserv, but who cares about reservists we are all a bunch of lazy no-good bastards).
I would rather say that burrito has the mentality of a new recruit fresh out of watching black hawk down..
@ burrito; you said you have enlisted in the marines how much time have you spent there now? where have you been, what have you seen?

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