Clan Rankings - RPI Version [Archived]

[jpcloet]

There is a new experimental ladder up for discussion in the CLA. Similar to the last experiment, but simpler.

And Nemisis is not top 10 on it, but certainly close.

[cpurcell]

There is a new experimental ladder up for discussion in the CLA. Similar to the last experiment, but simpler.

And Nemisis is not top 10 on it, but certainly close.

I run a thread in our clan forum keeping everyone up to date on new ladders, so every Nemesian is well aware of what's going on, just so you know
---C

[Scott-Land]

Up until a few weeks ago Nemesis was a Div2 clan that had a bitch fest to play in Div1. Fast forward 3 weeks into the CLA and they're 3rd overall. Wow-- congrats.

Hiya Scot,
Probably you are correct with the point you are making about with a few exceptions.
1. We deserved to be in Div 1, many will agree with that.
2. This table updates itself monthly maybe more, and in a month many stuff comes and goes. You are maybe aware of it that, we had 78-79 points in this table together with 0.85 constant multiplied with our actual point. When you make a calculation of 1/0.85 * our previous point = our current point.

Anyway, i would like to add these,
I dont believe nemesis to be #3 clan right now, we still need to do a lot to get there, the current picture is temporal one. And, lots of systems have their weak sides. On the other hand, we believe that nemesis is inside the top 10 clan, somewhere around #8- #9, but now it is so, and trust me...
Anyway, JPCloet and Marval are doing great job in whatever place they would put nemesis no matter. Thanks to them

Cheers, H.A.

I said nothing in my post that wasn't factual....outside of congrats.

My stance has nothing to do with the success or lack of success of Nemesis. It's a critique of the current ladder ( glad I got to swap some pms with Jp and hope I was helpful with the new version ).

Since you're spewing out numbers, I'll give you a few. 16,17, and 19; those are the ranks of the clans Nemesis beat. 0; that's the number of clans Nemesis beat that have a winning %, games or challenges. 45, that's the average win % of your opponents. 5-7 (5-10 including Nemesis ), thats the clan challenge record of your opponents.

[freakns]

Since you're spewing out numbers, I'll give you a few. 16,17, and 19; those are the ranks of the clans Nemesis beat. 0; that's the number of clans Nemesis beat that have a winning %, games or challenges. 45, that's the average win % of your opponents. 5-7 (5-10 including Nemesis ), thats the clan challenge record of your opponents.

and that is how it should be played... any newly established clan should prove themselfs against lower ranked clans before they grab tougher opponents.
and since clan ladder is subjectively based list that changes all the time thus are the results you have stick here... anytime Nemesis entered the challenge it was against clan that was in that moment infront of us on clan ladder. and no matter how "bad" our opponents were(and i disagree with it, they are all pretty good players) Nemesis still have highest winning percentage along with THOTA. that doesnt mean we are as good as them, but rather something that should be respected if you are throwing numbers around...

[jpcloet]

DLPP was the highest win %, guess how they got it.

[Scott-Land]

Since you're spewing out numbers, I'll give you a few. 16,17, and 19; those are the ranks of the clans Nemesis beat. 0; that's the number of clans Nemesis beat that have a winning %, games or challenges. 45, that's the average win % of your opponents. 5-7 (5-10 including Nemesis ), thats the clan challenge record of your opponents.

and that is how it should be played... any newly established clan should prove themselfs against lower ranked clans before they grab tougher opponents.
and since clan ladder is subjectively based list that changes all the time thus are the results you have stick here... anytime Nemesis entered the challenge it was against clan that was in that moment infront of us on clan ladder. and no matter how "bad" our opponents were(and i disagree with it, they are all pretty good players) Nemesis still have highest winning percentage along with THOTA. that doesnt mean we are as good as them, but rather something that should be respected if you are throwing numbers around...

You're comparing apples to oranges and seem to be missing the entire point. Winning % was overinflated in calculating the rankings. Having a good win percentage against a clan that doesn't have a winning percentage doesn't equate to beating a top 5 clan at 51%. It's like saying 10 pennies are worth more than 5 dimes.

[pmchugh]

I said nothing in my post that wasn't factual....outside of congrats.

So "bitch fest" is factual is it?

Up until a few weeks ago Nemesis was a Div2 clan that had a bitch fest to play in Div1. Fast forward 3 weeks into the CLA and they're 3rd overall. Wow-- congrats.

[freakns]

Since you're spewing out numbers, I'll give you a few. 16,17, and 19; those are the ranks of the clans Nemesis beat. 0; that's the number of clans Nemesis beat that have a winning %, games or challenges. 45, that's the average win % of your opponents. 5-7 (5-10 including Nemesis ), thats the clan challenge record of your opponents.

and that is how it should be played... any newly established clan should prove themselfs against lower ranked clans before they grab tougher opponents.
and since clan ladder is subjectively based list that changes all the time thus are the results you have stick here... anytime Nemesis entered the challenge it was against clan that was in that moment infront of us on clan ladder. and no matter how "bad" our opponents were(and i disagree with it, they are all pretty good players) Nemesis still have highest winning percentage along with THOTA. that doesnt mean we are as good as them, but rather something that should be respected if you are throwing numbers around...

You're comparing apples to oranges and seem to be missing the entire point. Winning % was overinflated in calculating the rankings. Having a good win percentage against a clan that doesn't have a winning percentage doesn't equate to beating a top 5 clan at 51%. It's like saying 10 pennies are worth more than 5 dimes.

actually, im not missing a point. you are the one that looks everything from current state. Nemesis today is not same clan as it was 6 months ago. im telling you that "our"(even thou i was only small part of success in last clan war) clan was always playing against clan that was above us on that same ladder, stating continues success of evolving and winning. that doesnt mean we are better then TSM, that doesnt mean we belong so high as position no3, but im pretty sure that doesnt mean you or anyone else have the right to underestimate our success(actually you do have all the rights, but its just shows your lack of class) even if thats something that doesnt speak about Nemesis but rather about flows of clan ladder... and to finish throwing numbers around, clan league Nemesis-TSM 4-4. i guess you also are far far away from third place...

also, who are top 5 clans? thats something im dying to find out...

[Blitzaholic]

It's like saying 10 pennies are worth more than 5 dimes.

that is a good point

also, who are top 5 clans? thats something im dying to find out...Nemesis-TSM 4-4.

8 games is too small a sample, same as 20 games, big reason why I don't think anything unless 30 or 40 games should count towards this RPI Version.


the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

[Bruceswar]

also, who are top 5 clans? thats something im dying to find out...Nemesis-TSM 4-4.

8 games is too small a sample, same as 20 games, big reason why I don't think anything unless 30 or 40 games should count towards this RPI Version.


the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

Thanks for the mention blitz, but we are not top 5 yet, we still have to prove we should be there.

[jackin_u_up]

the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

Where's LOW ....did u miss them on purpose ? Hmmmmm

We all know TOFU and KORT are Very Good and could be considered top 5.

A clan leaders poll is gonna have to be part of the ladder sooner or later.

[Bruceswar]

the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

Where's LOW ....did u miss them on purpose ? Hmmmmm

We all know TOFU and KORT are Very Good and could be considered top 5.

A clan leaders poll is gonna have to be part of the ladder sooner or later.

The LoW / TOFU Split... maybe he thinks TOFU got the better end of the stick.

[Blitzaholic]

the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

Where's LOW ....did u miss them on purpose ? Hmmmmm

We all know TOFU and KORT are Very Good and could be considered top 5.



A clan leaders poll is gonna have to be part of the ladder sooner or later.

oops I did forget LOW, sorry.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU
LOW
Dragoons
EMPIRE
Nemesis

I guess it is safe to say these clans are most likely in the TOP 10 with one spot to be filled as only 9 are listed, the divide in LOW does drop them some in my eyes, but if LOW played TOFU and won, wow, now that could be a classic rival.

around 10th could be a toss up of ++Legion++, AOD, BSS, and or O+H .

[Scott-Land]

I said nothing in my post that wasn't factual....outside of congrats.

So "bitch fest" is factual is it?

Up until a few weeks ago Nemesis was a Div2 clan that had a bitch fest to play in Div1. Fast forward 3 weeks into the CLA and they're 3rd overall. Wow-- congrats.

Absolutely.

[danryan]

It's like saying 10 pennies are worth more than 5 dimes.

that is a good point

also, who are top 5 clans? thats something im dying to find out...Nemesis-TSM 4-4.

8 games is too small a sample, same as 20 games, big reason why I don't think anything unless 30 or 40 games should count towards this RPI Version.


the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

I'm sure Legends of War will appreciate your endorsement. *giggles*

[pmchugh]

I said nothing in my post that wasn't factual....outside of congrats.

So "bitch fest" is factual is it?

Up until a few weeks ago Nemesis was a Div2 clan that had a bitch fest to play in Div1. Fast forward 3 weeks into the CLA and they're 3rd overall. Wow-- congrats.

Absolutely.

No its an opinion...

[cpurcell]

I said nothing in my post that wasn't factual....outside of congrats.

So "bitch fest" is factual is it?

Up until a few weeks ago Nemesis was a Div2 clan that had a bitch fest to play in Div1. Fast forward 3 weeks into the CLA and they're 3rd overall. Wow-- congrats.

Absolutely.

Woah there bud, hold on a sec. I'm never looking to make enemies on here, especially with other clans, but could you lay off the N-Men? Yeah some of our guys got pissed that we weren't recognized as a decent clan, and we didn't want to just glide through the Division 2 standings, but "bitch fest"? Really? All that defacing another clan in public does is make you look like an ass, and cause you some embarrassment when we prove you wrong.

Anywho, I respect your opinion of Nemesis whether it be good or bad, but if you have such strong feelings, why not just hold out until after we've either made it or not?

---C

[Chariot of Fire]

Keep it on topic guys, jeez.

JP...thanks for updating the table. Just for info Nos. 31-33 have been duplicated as 34-36

[freakns]

also, who are top 5 clans? thats something im dying to find out...Nemesis-TSM 4-4.

8 games is too small a sample, same as 20 games, big reason why I don't think anything unless 30 or 40 games should count towards this RPI Version.


the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

i agree with small sample, of course 8 games(and all of them with our settings) doesnt prove nothing... the reason i brought this is actually Scotts bitching around about Nemesis results... you can allways find something in stats that will prove your point...
also, it is interesting to TOFU there. while i totally agree that they do belong there, there is nothing there to prove it, other then common sense. so i think we can all agree TOFU is top 5 clan, but how can you make a ladder that will prove it?! im pretty sure disrespecting other clans while giving your statements wouldnt help and thats the whole point im trying to prove to Scott(and why did i ever entered this useless discussion is beyond me...)

[Dako]

Just don't put TOFU as top5 in the ladder clan because we still are young to be considered top-5 (probation?) but everyone knows that TOFU is strong. Maybe stronger than clans in top-5 ladder. But they are still not ranked as top-5 because of many reasons.

[HardAttack]

It's like saying 10 pennies are worth more than 5 dimes.

that is a good point

also, who are top 5 clans? thats something im dying to find out...Nemesis-TSM 4-4.

8 games is too small a sample, same as 20 games, big reason why I don't think anything unless 30 or 40 games should count towards this RPI Version.


the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

with dragoons and empire being real close, then nemesis right after that.

Why dunno, i love estimations this guy makes
I totally agree.

[HardAttack]

Hey Nemesians, trust me that Blitz's list is very realistic...
And considered we are 1yo clan, started from a zero point, with random ppl etc all put together, the point where we are is real nice and a true achievement.
Personally, i am glad with where nemesis is, and will be more glad as much as we can progress further.
As nemesis, we never ask what we do not deserve, and we never accept whatever does not present us well
Again, really nice list blitz, i suggest you open unofficial clan ladder of yours somewhere, huh ? Liked it

[Dako]

Hey Nemesians, trust me that Blitz's list is very realistic...
And considered we are 1yo clan, started from a zero point, with random ppl etc all put together, the point where we are is real nice and a true achievement.
Personally, i am glad with where nemesis is, and will be more glad as much as we can progress further.
As nemesis, we never ask what we do not deserve, and we never accept whatever does not present us well
Again, really nice list blitz, i suggest you open unofficial clan ladder of yours somewhere, huh ? Liked it

Sometimes it is obvious who is stronger but very hard to prove it with numbers/statistics. So Blitz knows who is who here but RPI is just a tool to track estimated success of the clan over its career. Obviously that new clans will have low success rate cause they are new and the clans that went to the top-5 recently, bypassing random clanmembers, hard dice seasons and many other difficulties might not have perfect statistics and will not be ranked high even if they are really strong.

[reptile]

the Top 5 clans and not necessarily in this order are these in my view.

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU

oops I did forget LOW, sorry.

I guess it is safe to say these clans are most likely in the TOP 10 with one spot to be filled as only 9 are listed, the divide in LOW does drop them some in my eyes, but if LOW played TOFU and won, wow, now that could be a classic rival.

lol, nice blitz.

i dont think we will take on tofu until they beat our pre-requisits..... thota

However, i am not too bothered that you "forgot" us... you guys beat us fair and square....52%to 48%...(or some stupid shit) that is plenty good enough to just drop us out of your top 5 if you consider yourselves #1. yah... that makes perfect sense.

I personally rank the top 3 clans (not in order):
LoW
TSM
Tofu

[e_i_pi]

THOTA
TSM
KORT
IA
TOFU
LOW
Dragoons
EMPIRE
Nemesis

Nice list... let's compare it with the current win/loss standing, sans-division...

KORT +9 (11-2)
Dragoons +9 (11-2)
LOW +8 (10-2)
IA +5 (9-4)
TOFU +5 (5-0)
TSM 0 (6-6)
THOTA 0 (6-6)
EMPIRE -4 (4-8)
Nemesis -6 (3-9)

Doesn't look as impressive when you're nearing the bottom eh? Of course I forgot to add the amount of wankers in the clan to the win-loss record, which would bounce you right to the top. I feel sorry for DBZ and BW being in your midst. Go create an imbalanced Top 5 list or rigged tournament to make yourself feel better