Admins/Mods

[owenator]

It is absolutely tiresome how rampant the forum/web bans are coming down on players. Particularly on players that are vocal in the community such as: owenshooter, Kotaro, and in the past: t-o-m, Dancing Mustard. I challenge lackattack IF he has the fucking balls to defend himself and if he really values the so-called bullshit "warm and fuzzy feeling" support for PAYING members as to how he can justify these illogical decisions/judgments. Come on! Really? You expect these early 20 year old's or 50-60 year old's who are grumpy or are geeks with no ability in real life to be sociable to represent your site? Lack, not once have I seen you get involved when your paying members aka customers are pissed off. I've been adamant and upfront as to how unhappy I am with this site but no one seems to give 2 fucks that I am not satisfied. Let me ask you this, if one person got pissed off and had the influence to convince 10 others not to renew and then thereby spread the word, and so on, and so on....wouldn't there be concern? Lack, you are making 100% profit from this site, why aren't you concerned? You can be generating so much more profit if you cared about what your vocal member let alone, paying members had to say. The recent ban of Kotaro, is total bullshit. Kottie was not happy - bottom line. I can agree that he may not get along with many, but he speaks his mind and simply put, people don't like his upfront attitude. The same can be said of me....I'm just more 'diplomatic' - if you will. Again, I challenge lack to defend himself or is he going to cower behind his group of admins/mods like he always does?

[Chariot of Fire]

Well my enjoyment of this site has gone up enormously since a ban was handed out to an abusive unhinged individual, so I'll be renewing my membership.

Really owen, do you think CC is run to the detriment of a majority of its members and also its profitability? I don't think any successful business model could operate like that and survive, yet this site seems to be doing just fine.

Sure, I agree that peoples' concerns should be given consideration - yet it doesn't mean they are right or even speak for the paying majority.

I mentioned once before that this is a gaming site first and foremost, with the added luxury of having forums in which one may hold a civilised exchange be it friendly, humorous, challenging, you name it. Yet when this turns abusive and spills over into gameplay then it tarnishes the glamour of what a majority of players (for that is what we are on a game site) came here for.

[owenator]

Well my enjoyment of this site has gone up enormously since a ban was handed out to an abusive unhinged individual, so I'll be renewing my membership.

Really owen, do you think CC is run to the detriment of a majority of its members and also its profitability? I don't think any successful business model could operate like that and survive, yet this site seems to be doing just fine.

Sure, I agree that peoples' concerns should be given consideration - yet it doesn't mean they are right or even speak for the paying majority.

I mentioned once before that this is a gaming site first and foremost, with the added luxury of having forums in which one may hold a civilised exchange be it friendly, humorous, challenging, you name it. Yet when this turns abusive and spills over into gameplay then it tarnishes the glamour of what a majority of players (for that is what we are on a game site) came here for.

SO, what you're saying COF is that CC has every right to make whatever decision they choose and with regards to it's paying members that nothing should be done when they are 'disciplined'? So, let me ask you this then, if your internet provider tells you that you cannot visit specific websites or even said that you are to refrain from checking your e-mail (i.e. yahoo, gmail, hotmail, etc.) because it is their rules, are you not going to consider leaving? Lack IS the owner of this site but if people are paying money, they deserve a bit better treatment. In addition, how is it enjoyable when you have these so-called rules that are enforced yet ultimately it's their words against ours? I've given examples where racism, harassment, abuse, threats were directed at me and it was ultimately turned aside. There are two sides to every story COF, and you unless you're put in that situation, then you're not really in a place to provide a fair assessment. Bottom line is this, I pay money - I expect a bit better treatment. Not the bullshit rampant decisions that goes on around here. I bet you if everyone refused to pay money or didn't renew their membership, lack would think twice.

[Ace Rimmer]

The recent ban of Kotaro, is total bullshit.

Are you saying his 6 month forum ban (for repeated flaming, baiting, trolling, and abuse of other members of the community) is bullshit, or his website ban after deciding to throw games is bullshit? There's a big difference there, and not many people seem to understand that the reason that Kotaro got his website ban was due to his decision to throw games after receiving his forum ban.

Jake

[jpcloet]

There is no game challenge here. Moved to the correct area.

[jpcloet]

Now that it's moved......

The players above have a combination of site policy violations. Kotaro ban is more than legit. He flamed, trolled, and point dumped. All violations on their own. Add to that he just came off a 1 month ban and it was quite obvious that he had no intention on following any of the rules. The site is better off without him. If you wish to take your money elsewhere Owenator, feel free to do so. If there is a massive violation against you, please point it out to me and I will do my best to deal with it or send it to the appropriate person.

[owenator]

Now that it's moved......

The players above have a combination of site policy violations. Kotaro ban is more than legit. He flamed, trolled, and point dumped. All violations on their own. Add to that he just came off a 1 month ban and it was quite obvious that he had no intention on following any of the rules. The site is better off without him. If you wish to take your money elsewhere Owenator, feel free to do so. If there is a massive violation against you, please point it out to me and I will do my best to deal with it or send it to the appropriate person.

See above quote that's bolded. Exactly my point as to the attitude of this site and their treatment of paying members. That's all I'm going to have to say.

[mpjh]

One thing I don't understand. A frequently voiced complaint is that the banned persons were witty, creative, and interesting posters. While some challenge that, let's take is as a given assumption. Thus, I have a question. Why don't those complaining post witty, creative and interesting posts themselves? Why the monotonous anti-mod and admin mantra? Certainly you guys can ridicule an over-60 dim-wit like me with some humor and creativity. I should be an easy target.

[jpcloet]

I've opened up the opportunity for you to give me your opinion. Yet you focus only on the negativity. You talk about not being satisfied, yet you have not given a single positive recommendation in this thread. Go ahead and do that, I'm listening.

[Woodruff]

It is absolutely tiresome how rampant the forum/web bans are coming down on players. Particularly on players that are vocal in the community such as: owenshooter, Kotaro, and in the past: t-o-m, Dancing Mustard. I challenge lackattack IF he has the fucking balls to defend himself and if he really values the so-called bullshit "warm and fuzzy feeling" support for PAYING members as to how he can justify these illogical decisions/judgments. Come on! Really? You expect these early 20 year old's or 50-60 year old's who are grumpy or are geeks with no ability in real life to be sociable to represent your site? Lack, not once have I seen you get involved when your paying members aka customers are pissed off. I've been adamant and upfront as to how unhappy I am with this site but no one seems to give 2 fucks that I am not satisfied. Let me ask you this, if one person got pissed off and had the influence to convince 10 others not to renew and then thereby spread the word, and so on, and so on....wouldn't there be concern? Lack, you are making 100% profit from this site, why aren't you concerned? You can be generating so much more profit if you cared about what your vocal member let alone, paying members had to say. The recent ban of Kotaro, is total bullshit. Kottie was not happy - bottom line. I can agree that he may not get along with many, but he speaks his mind and simply put, people don't like his upfront attitude. The same can be said of me....I'm just more 'diplomatic' - if you will. Again, I challenge lack to defend himself or is he going to cower behind his group of admins/mods like he always does?

While I don't disagree with your general point here, in Kotaro's case, he was banned for point-dumping. That's really NOT "bullshit".

For me, the inconsistency with which the rules are applied is the biggest problem here.

[owenator]

The recent ban of Kotaro, is total bullshit.

Are you saying his 6 month forum ban (for repeated flaming, baiting, trolling, and abuse of other members of the community) is bullshit, or his website ban after deciding to throw games is bullshit? There's a big difference there, and not many people seem to understand that the reason that Kotaro got his website ban was due to his decision to throw games after receiving his forum ban.

Jake

I understand this Jake: a paying member was banned from this website. Calling someone profanities is the worst Kotaro has done. Flaming/baiting/trolling is a serious enough violation to ban a paying member permanently? Wow. Well, let me get this straight, if I don't like a person and they are borderline abusive (i.e. codeblue1018) and then they are reported consistently but yet not much is done, I'm simply told to foe then and restrict them through the pm settings? How is that any different? A perma-forum ban should be placed on members who are not actively contributing or causing more negative reaction in the forums. I'm sure the admins/mods don't like what I have to say simply because I'm speaking my mind that they're hiding behind their powers. Kotaro may have deserved a ban, but not from the website. I don't necessarily agree with all that Kot does but he has a right to be able to continue playing games or at least be given a partial refund - and trust me, I've been told a million times about their refund policy.

Negativity? Please, you're a grown adult. This is the internet. You volunteered for this position. If you don't like what I have to say, ignore it. But, my points are valid. Let me ask the admins/mods this, then. If I were to complain about any one of the volunteers here on CC, who does it go to? Another admin, right? How does the CC community know what disciplinary action goes against that team member? We don't. So, if Team CC were absolutely on a personal vendetta and decided to take action against someone on CC we (the players/members) literally can't do anything about it. I'd like to hear Team CC answer that.

[jpcloet]

So are you suggesting (by not mentioning) that point dumping is ok?

[jpcloet]

From my access level, and what goes on behind the scenes here, all decisions are fact based. Again if you feel there is a personal vendetta somewhere, feel free to point out the facts and examples in a pm to me.

[Night Strike]

Kotaro may have deserved a ban, but not from the website. I don't necessarily agree with all that Kot does but he has a right to be able to continue playing games or at least be given a partial refund - and trust me, I've been told a million times about their refund policy.

Didn't deserve a website ban? Really? You want everybody who point dumps to remain active on the site (so that when they point dump but then come back and beat you, you lose 100 points)? Kotaro did not receive a website ban for his trolling. And no one who breaks the rules of the game deserve even a partial refund.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I dont see any problem with the bans that been handed out. In fact, I always find it ironic how the same inner circle of problem players continue to support each other no matter what the issue is. I say if they continue to do the crime than they should continue to receive the time.

Personally, I was going to report Kotaro for continuous spamming and flaming. Im glad he got banned. In fact, if he wasnt banned than I wasnt going to continue my membership here. So Lack would have lost money that way.

[owenator]

Kotaro may have deserved a ban, but not from the website. I don't necessarily agree with all that Kot does but he has a right to be able to continue playing games or at least be given a partial refund - and trust me, I've been told a million times about their refund policy.

Didn't deserve a website ban? Really? You want everybody who point dumps to remain active on the site (so that when they point dump but then come back and beat you, you lose 100 points)? Kotaro did not receive a website ban for his trolling. And no one who breaks the rules of the game deserve even a partial refund.

Yes, REALLY. Fine, point dumping - is unacceptable. I agree with you there. However, I don't think that it would warrant a perma-ban. Not when you're a paying member. And again, my previous mention about accountability was completely forgotten. Personal differences were focused. A lot of people hate Kotaro, that much is agreed upon, but where was your response about how admin/mod's are disciplined when they are in the wrong? Funny how tunnel vision works, huh?

[AndyDufresne]

Kotaro may have deserved a ban, but not from the website. I don't necessarily agree with all that Kot does but he has a right to be able to continue playing games or at least be given a partial refund - and trust me, I've been told a million times about their refund policy.

Didn't deserve a website ban? Really? You want everybody who point dumps to remain active on the site (so that when they point dump but then come back and beat you, you lose 100 points)? Kotaro did not receive a website ban for his trolling. And no one who breaks the rules of the game deserve even a partial refund.

Yes, REALLY. Fine, point dumping - is unacceptable. I agree with you there. However, I don't think that it would warrant a perma-ban. Not when you're a paying member. And again, my previous mention about accountability was completely forgotten. Personal differences were focused. A lot of people hate Kotaro, that much is agreed upon, but where was your response about how admin/mod's are disciplined when they are in the wrong? Funny how tunnel vision works, huh?

All point dumpers have their accounts suspended until an investigation can be made. If Kotaro didn't point dump, or provide adequate reasoning for it, he can appeal should he want to via e-tickets, in which case he could have a chance to come back and play the gaming aspect of Conquer Club.


--Andy

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Kotaro may have deserved a ban, but not from the website. I don't necessarily agree with all that Kot does but he has a right to be able to continue playing games or at least be given a partial refund - and trust me, I've been told a million times about their refund policy.

Didn't deserve a website ban? Really? You want everybody who point dumps to remain active on the site (so that when they point dump but then come back and beat you, you lose 100 points)? Kotaro did not receive a website ban for his trolling. And no one who breaks the rules of the game deserve even a partial refund.

Yes, REALLY. Fine, point dumping - is unacceptable. I agree with you there. However, I don't think that it would warrant a perma-ban. Not when you're a paying member. And again, my previous mention about accountability was completely forgotten. Personal differences were focused. A lot of people hate Kotaro, that much is agreed upon, but where was your response about how admin/mod's are disciplined when they are in the wrong? Funny how tunnel vision works, huh?

you havent mentioned a case of an admin being wrong but listed a bunch of players that were fairly banned. So im not sure what tunnel vision you are referring too. And if you do find one, one is not enough to make the point that there are bad bans handed out due to mod mistakes. I would like to see a handful of these so called mistakes before you can make any kind of argument.

[jpcloet]

You still need to give specific examples.

[Chariot of Fire]

Come on Owen, really. You make an argument about being a paid site, yet in 18 months have accomplished over 5,000 games. I think from a personal perspective you've certainly got your money's worth and should have no cause for complaint. What it does seem like you're doing though is complaining on behalf of players who were deservedly banned or suspended from the site, so I doubt you'll find a sympathetic audience. This is Conquer Club, not Owen Club, so there are times when you won't find everything exactly how you'd envsion it.

I previously refrained from taking issue with some of the comments you've made, but there are some that stand out in particular:

You expect these early 20 year old's or 50-60 year old's who are grumpy or are geeks with no ability in real life to be sociable to represent your site?

Does one have to be mid-30s to represent the site? How representative of the site is it for a new prospect to sign-up and get fleeced by you on Feudal? I would hazard a guess you have single-handedly deterred more new members from going premium than any other player.

Bottom line is this, I pay money - I expect a bit better treatment.

Where have you been mistreated? Or again are you speaking vicariously for those who have been judged?

[Master Fenrir]

If you wish to take your money elsewhere Owenator, feel free to do so.

Congrats to JP for understanding a free market economy. I think that this is 100% the correct attitude to have. Some people disagree with the rules, their enforcement, and the fairness in which they are enforced, and I agree that the rule system isn't perfect. However, you can't say that this site hasn't improved in the past few months.

Recently, we've see the freestyle fix, the birth of manual deployment, Whac-a-Mod 2, and 3 new sets of medals. The site IS improving, just not in the way you would like. Steps have been taken to entice you into spending $25 a year for premium, but if you aren't happy, you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere. I don't think that there is anything wrong with a moderator pointing this out.

[the.killing.44]

I find it funny how people think people being banned affects the membership rate, both in new members coming (okay, so 2 friends of a Kotty aren't going to join now) and members leaving. The point has been said over and over again—a tiny percentage of CC's population visits the forums. If you look at the scoreboard, there are 19366 members on the board. I remember looking in October and seeing upwards of 20k on the board. We were under 18k over the summer I believe—must've been because DM was banned, eh?

[owenator]

If you wish to take your money elsewhere Owenator, feel free to do so.

Congrats to JP for understanding a free market economy. I think that this is 100% the correct attitude to have. Some people disagree with the rules, their enforcement, and the fairness in which they are enforced, and I agree that the rule system isn't perfect. However, you can't say that this site hasn't improved in the past few months.

Recently, we've see the freestyle fix, the birth of manual deployment, Whac-a-Mod 2, and 3 new sets of medals. The site IS improving, just not in the way you would like. Steps have been taken to entice you into spending $25 a year for premium, but if you aren't happy, you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere. I don't think that there is anything wrong with a moderator pointing this out.

And some people kiss ass better than JOHNNYROCKET24 - congratulations, you win a medal for having your lips firmly secured on their (admin/mods) butts. Listen, I heard it the first time, I don't need to hear it a second time. Listen people, I know you don't like what I have to say because I have some extremely good points. I'll tell you this, no one has come to my 'defence' because they're too scared to be oppressed by Team CC and I have no problems speaking my mind and even being bold about it. If I don't like something and I'm paying for it, I have EVERY right to speak my mind - simple as that. And all these idiots are complaining or saying that I'm being negative, or asking me to provide examples, etc. Again, why is my original point of how there is no explanation as to what happens when a complaint about an admin/mod is issued? It has been avoided multiple times. All they ask for is an example, yet what does that prove? It proves that if I have something valid to provide that they will come up with some bullshit answer and or re-word their justification on their decision. Listen, please take the time to read my points. Please take the time to respect my opinions. PLEASE don't repeat what has already been said or it proves what an idiot you are.

[thrillomania]

Owen cracks me up. he really does. Keep up the good fight...umm.. I guess.

[mpjh]