User Dr. Mengele

[Beckytheblondie]

In response to thread: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p2332321

Are you seriously comparing the "Angel of Death" to Harry Truman? Truman made a war maneuver to ensure victory. Mengele personally experimented on humans because he was impelled by their religion, heritage or "perceived abnormalities"

[the.killing.44]

I've accepted he is an anti-Semite or neo-Nazi and I am just ignoring him.

[Beckytheblondie]

When my troops beat yours on Conquer Club I envision that yours have surrendered to the powerful and daunting presence of mine...I dont' envision my troops removing pieces from your troops' stomachs without any anesthetic.

[BigBallinStalin]

When my troops beat yours on Conquer Club I envision that yours have surrendered to the powerful and daunting presence of mine...I dont' envision my troops removing pieces from your troops' stomachs without any anesthetic.

Well, if removing pieces from your troops' stomachs is done in the name of science, then I'll condone such actions from them...

[bedub1]

The guys username is fine. Quit your bitching.

[Beckytheblondie]

The guys username is fine. Quit your bitching.

Hey bedub1, quit being ostentatious, dick. I have no problem with his username, fuck, mine's based off a bedub strangler from El Salvador named Becky.

What I have a problem with is his comparison of Dr. Mengele to Harry S. Truman. it's unfounded.

[the.killing.44]

The guys username is fine. Quit your bitching.

What Karl said.

[TeletubbyPrince]

There's no hard evidence that Mengele's as bad as he's made out to be - just some contradictory claims made by former Jewish prisoners.

[Dr Mengele]

In response to thread: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p2332321

Are you seriously comparing the "Angel of Death" to Harry Truman? Truman made a war maneuver to ensure victory. Mengele personally experimented on humans because he was impelled by their religion, heritage or "perceived abnormalities"

The United States won the war, had they lost the war and Germany won, History would remember things differently, History is subjective and written by the winners. My real point is that this is a gaming site predicated on a board game based upon world domination, what if I had chosen the user name Joseph Stalin? Obviously someone can make an argument that he was the devil, and yet there are still russians who feel he was a great man, depends on who you talk to.


Re: User Dr. Mengele

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:47 pm
I've accepted he is an anti-Semite or neo-Nazi and I am just ignoring him.

I am neither, and that is a close minded thing to say, the problem with political correct culture we live in is that if if you say something that doesnt go along with the staus quo, you get labeled as such and it discourages open discussion and freedom of speech, I have said nothing offensive or untrue, and yet the.killing.44 has labeled me incorrectly.

My real comparison was to two different forms of attrocities I do not condone nor try to explain the actions of Truman or Mengele, I would be foolish to think that it could even be discussed intelligently or thoroughly in a few posts. But for Beckythe Blondie to take a holier than thou attitude towards Truman and the USA, is Naive and sophomorish.

I suppose that Becky is more than willing to ignore or turn a blind eye to the fact that United states ran their own human experiments starting back in 1932, before Mengele got started, and continued until 1972, thats 40 years of human experimentation with out full consent. I talk about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.

By 1947 penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Choices might have included treating all syphilitic subjects and closing the study, or splitting off a control group for testing with penicillin. Instead, the Tuskegee scientists continued the study, withholding penicillin and information about it from the patients. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to others in the area.

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, was the most infamous biomedical research study in U.S. history.

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

When the experiment was brought to the attention of the media in 1972, news anchor Harry Reasoner described it as an experiment that “used human beings as laboratory animals in a long and inefficient study of how long it takes syphilis to kill someone.”

"The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."

—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997

[BigBallinStalin]

The guys username is fine. Quit your bitching.

Quit bitching about your TV provider. You pay for it, so you accept what they give you. Stop being weak and pathetic.

[Dr Mengele]

There's no hard evidence that Mengele's as bad as he's made out to be - just some contradictory claims made by former Jewish prisoners.

Is this an attempt at sarcastic humor? He was truely a monster, a sick and twisted individual. You would be more hard pressed to find any true scientific value to his "experiments". Had he accidentally found a cure for cancer by studying the genes of twins it could not outweigh the lack of humanity in which he conducted himself. Those murders and experiments were not done only to the Jews, but history focuses on them. The current day atrocity is that revisionist historians would like to forget about the concentration camps, to deny that these horrors took place, to have us stop speaking these monsters names in hope that it might go away.

[the.killing.44]

There's no hard evidence that Mengele's as bad as he's made out to be - just some contradictory claims made by former Jewish prisoners.

Is this an attempt at sarcastic humor? He was truely a monster, a sick and twisted individual. You would be more hard pressed to find any true scientific value to his "experiments". Had he accidentally found a cure for cancer by studying the genes of twins it could not outweigh the lack of humanity in which he conducted himself. Those murders and experiments were not done only to the Jews, but history focuses on them. The current day atrocity is that revisionist historians would like to forget about the concentration camps, to deny that these horrors took place, to have us stop speaking these monsters names in hope that it might go away.

…and yet, you put him as your username?! And virtually defend him?!

[Dr Mengele]

I defend freedom of speech, are you so delicate that your feelings are hurt by my username?

[thegreekdog]

I defend freedom of speech, stay in school and stay off the dope

Personally, I like this guy.

[the.killing.44]

I defend freedom of speech, stay in school and stay off the dope

You've yet to address why his name is your username.

[bedub1]

The guys username is fine. Quit your bitching.

Hey bedub1, quit being ostentatious, dick. I have no problem with his username, fuck, mine's based off a bedub strangler from El Salvador named Becky.

What I have a problem with is his comparison of Dr. Mengele to Harry S. Truman. it's unfounded.

Hey Beckytheblondie, my apologies for misunderstanding your statement, bitch. (See...it's not polite to attack people personally and call them dicks or bitches...)

I would have to agree with the comparison of Dr. Mengele and Harrys S Truman. Imagine how the Japanese view the situation. We think the atomic bombing was great cause it won the war for us and ended it. The Japanese probably don't agree.

[Lord and Master]

...The United States won the war...

No they didn't, The Allies did. Bloody yanks.

[Dr Mengele]

I defend freedom of speech, stay in school and stay off the dope

You've yet to address why his name is your username.

Re: THE 4TH REICH [closed]

Postby Dr Mengele on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:04 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:

Dr Mengele wrote:I really dont see what the big deal is

Creepy shit.

funny shit, i think.

Risk all your troops on a daring land grab. Feel the thrill of victory as you crush your last opponent.

Welcome to Conquer Club, a world domination game.

Dont be so sensitive, so what your telling me is that it would be perfectly acceptable if my user name was General Macarthur
Or how about General Custer, seems to me that it all depends on the winners point of view as to whats acceptable, how many lives taken were these men responsible for.

why would i take the user name of little bo peep in a war game?

I'm sure that the anti gun lobby would have a problem with your user name

[the.killing.44]

There's a difference between a war hero, or famous—not infamous—person, and a war criminal who committed terrible atrocities…

[bedub1]

There's a difference between a war hero, or famous—not infamous—person, and a war criminal who committed terrible atrocities…

Only from your perspective. The guy that killed 4 cops in Washington State is a criminal who committed terrible atrocities....or unless you hate the cops and are on the guys side then he is a hero who removed 4 pigs from the enemy.

Terrorists think they are war hero's, we think they are war criminals.

[the.killing.44]

There's a difference between a war hero, or famous—not infamous—person, and a war criminal who committed terrible atrocities…

Only from your perspective. The guy that killed 4 cops in Washington State is a criminal who committed terrible atrocities....or unless you hate the cops and are on the guys side then he is a hero who removed 4 pigs from the enemy.

Terrorists think they are war hero's, we think they are war criminals.

If you support Mengele, your "perspective" is "on [Mendele's] side," which is Nazism, which means you are a neo-Nazi, which generally means you have anti-Semetic morals, which is bigotry.

I don't see how you can take this stance. At all.

[bedub1]

I don't support any of these people. I just like to point out that a coin has 2 sides. The Allies view Harry Truman as a war hero that ended the war. The Japanese view Harry Truman as a war criminal who slaughtered a bunch of civilians. Well, I don't know how the Japanese view Harry...but can't you see that there are two sides, both equally accurate?

[the.killing.44]

I don't support any of these people. I just like to point out that a coin has 2 sides. The Allies view Harry Truman as a war hero that ended the war. The Japanese view Harry Truman as a war criminal who slaughtered a bunch of civilians. Well, I don't know how the Japanese view Harry...but can't you see that there are two sides, both equally accurate?

Yeah, I understand. I'm not sure if you can say "both equally accurate," because committing medical "experiments" on people is not the same as dropping a weapon of mass destruction on a country during a war. It's just so … odd that someone who has said that Mengele is a terrible person would make the name his username on the site, and insist that he chose it because he shouldn't "take the user name of little bo peep in a war game[.]"

[BigBallinStalin]

Sounds like some of y'all are being overly sensitive and unfair in criticizing this certain name while ignoring many other equally offensive names.

But on Harry Truman and Dr. Mengele:

Harry Truman killed many, many civilians with his decision to use atomic weapons against Japan. Not only did many die, but many suffered terrible deaths, and many for decades later suffered and died. People--especially Americans--find it hard to blame him because well he's an American president, so many here have been heavily doused in the one-sided propaganda on the "necessity" of bombing civilians with nuclear weapons. One effect of using such a fearsome weapon was to coerce the Japanese into surrendering by use of fear (the exact definition of terrorism in many highly credible dictionaries). In the eyes of many Americans, it's justified terrorism, but they'll use different words to hide themselves from what it actually is.

Now I'm not sure how Truman's "kill count" compares to Dr. Mengele's, but the intentions of these two men are very different which is why if you were to compare the two, it would be wrong to say that their intentions were equally as bad. Although, I do wonder if a good portion of Dr. Mengele's research was actually used and in turn helped advance science in the fields in which he worked.

Also, we have to see if Truman's decision was really necessary at all in ending the war. The Soviets were actually a major factor in convincing the Japanese to surrender. The Japanese top officials voted something like 4 to 7 in favor of surrender after the nuclear weapons were dropped. It was still very close, so the nuclear weapons weren't all that convincing as many like to think. If the main intention of the nuclear weapons was to show the pinnacle of American might not to just the Axis but also to the Soviet Union, then the intentions seem a lot less holy.

[thegreekdog]

I do wonder what the casualty count would have been had Truman not authorized the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (US and Japanese).