rockfist wrote:The concept of long term social spending programs that exsist in near perpetuity since its worth more to fight like hell to the keep the benefits to the group receiving it but a mild nuiciance to the rest of society. Then create another program for another group. Rinse and repeat.
The idea that it is justifiable to use the threat of force (imprisonment) to obtain resources (taxes) for people who did nothing to earn them (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare).
The breakdown of traditional families that has occured in the last 40 years. Families used to take care of their elderly members - now its easier to use Medicare and Social Security to stick granny in a home. Fathers used to take care of their children now public assistance can do that.
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
The idea that criminals such as child molesters can be "rehabilitated" and deserve a chance to rejoin society. The idea that we should try to understand the reasons people do things like molest children or blow up buildings and that our reaction should depend opon the reason they did it.
The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
The idea that the use of the term "God" is offensive.
The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car. The idea that equality of everything is a desirable outcome.
The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
Those are just a few of their best ideas or actions that come to mind. I am sure I could think of more if I took the time.
Hey, HEY! Why are you on topic? We're on a Civil War tangent. Anyways, there are a few issues here (mercifully I'm going to avoid the social programs part, as we've been arguing about that shit way too much recently). I'm going to skip some as I feel that some of it has been argued to death.
Fathers used to take care of their children now public assistance can do that.
Considering that adulthood has been pushed further and further back to the necessity of education past high school, the trend is actually that kids often don't fly the coop until their mid-20s. This hardly meshes with what you're asserting. Then again, considering that you're only referring to fathers (I'm going to take the liberty to infer your meaning here, let me know if I'm off base), you're referring to the trend that fathers in a poor family abandon their wife and child. If that's the case, I'm not sure how you can blame liberals for the individual choices of poor parents (poor families have tended to have somewhat "unusual" family lives for quite some time anyways).
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Just a couple of days ago one of the local CC conservatives was complaining about people prefacing their nationality with a descriptor (e.g. African-American, Mexican-American, Irish-American). Indeed, I rarely hear complaints of that nature from liberals. Haven't we (I arrogantly speak for all liberals here) always touted America as a cultural melting pot? Or, more recently, a cultural tossed salad?
The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
The issue hasn't been about wiretapping suspected terrorists. Legitimately getting a warrant and wiretapping suspects has always been OK. The issue is allowing the government to basically choose who they wiretap and why with barely any oversight. That's kind of a legitimate concern.
The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
So you feel that every random dude should be able to own and operate their personal bangy kill-stick, but moving fast is too risky? I'm not even sure what you're referring to about the car thing. Stupid drivers or something? What does this have to do with liberals again?
The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
Lol wut. Maybe this is just me, but all the noise I've heard is from those who are
against abortion. How about the shitstorm in the writing of the health care bill recently over whether it was OK to provide funding for abortions? If it hadn't been removed the bill would have died on the spot. Plus, abortion is already legal. The fact that it is still being debated surely isn't coming from the side who has already gotten their way.
The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
I'm not sure it's possible to have 1000 pages that aren't written. Or do you mean that it's bad to support a bill before the final edition is put forth? Is that any worse then opposing a bill before it's finalized? I'm for health care reform and the bill is an attempt at that. Although, now that the public option is fading it ceases to serve a point, I'd still like to see
some sort of legislation pass. Maybe something like "Hitherto kicking the shit out of Health Insurance CEOs is OK". You know, just acknowledge that our current system is based on taking as much money from healthy people and giving as little to sick people as possible. That's all I ask. I lost track of my point, so I'll just go with NO U.
The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Quite the opposite. Basing the education system off local taxes has made it so that the rich get the best education and the poor get the worst. Any attempts made to help out the less educated are only (pretty damn weak) attempts to provide equal opportunity.
