Where in the world is Lackattack? {Winner: wcaclimbing}

[colton24]

Is Lack in Western Europe?

Colton, how will you define "Western Europe"? Will you define it as:
If so, seconded.

Yes it is defined as that

[natty dread]

3rd that

[captainwalrus]

Just curious, is lack actually at this place, or are all these games just for funsies?

[Beckytheblondie]

Just curious, is lack actually at this place, or are all these games just for funsies?

Funsies. Lack's currently on the toilet.

[spiesr]

Funsies. Lack's currently on the toilet.

And not some funny European toilet either...

[wcaclimbing]

Is Lack in Western Europe?

Colton, how will you define "Western Europe"? Will you define it as:
If so, seconded.

no! Don't do this question.
If you compare the street view map with your definition of Western Europe,


You'll find that the only 'eastern europe' country that has street view is the Czech Republic. And that doesn't border any major bodies of water, so its probably safe to assume it is not in the Czech republic.

All the other street view locations are already in Western Europe, so asking if it is in Western Europe is just a waste of a question.

[isaiah40]

I DON'T second this queation.

Is lackattack in France?

[jpcloet]

This looks like the place I saw on my Honeymoon in Eze France, might have been Nice. Doesn't look as hilly though...

[lgoasklucyl]

Western Europe by population:I

If you were to ask:

1. Is Lack in a country with a population greater than 10 million:

• Narrows it down to two groups.

Greater than: Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Germany
Less than: Iceland, Luxembourg, Ireland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Sweden

2. Is Lack in a country with a population between 100,000-6 million; 6.1 million-20 million; or 21 million-100 million:

• Got it on the first shot: 5 or 6 countries.
• Missed on the first shot, but you get it on the second shot: 5 or 6 countries.

100k-6mil: Iceland, Luxembourg, Ireland, Norway, Finland, Denmark
6.1mil-20mil: Switzerland, Austria, Sweden, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands
21mil-100mil: Spain, Italy, UK, France, Germany

The problem here is that we are assuming 100% that he is in Western Europe based on WCA's analysis of the street map view locations. Having population, however, COULD help you narrow it down to other countries in Europe so it is still a viable next question.

Just something for you all to work with

[lgoasklucyl]

I DON'T second this queation.

Is lackattack in France?

Too narrow, not seconded.

[natty dread]

Is Lack in a country with a population greater than 10 million:

second this

[72o]

Well there's a lot of activity here, but I'm not entirely sure which question(s) to answer. Is there a consensus for the next question?

[72o]

Is Lack in a country with a population greater than 10 million:

second this

Yes, Lack is in a country with a population greater than 10 million.

[Caymanmew]

is lackattack in spain?

[lgoasklucyl]

is lackattack in spain?

Not seconded... Guessing this way could lead to a number of nos... on top of us still not being sure if he's even in Western Europe.

You could ask if he is actually in "Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Germany" or split it into groups and ask that instead...

ie: Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, or Spain; Italy, UK, France, or Germany.

[wcaclimbing]

I've done a bit of work on this, and I've come up with this picture.

First off, I gave every European country that has at least 10m people a red star on this map.
Then, I used street view information and put a yellow star on every country that has street view AND 10 million people.

This leaves us with 7 countries.

Since Czech Republic doesn't border any major bodies of water, it'd be pretty safe to assume that the picture is not from the Czech Republic.

So we're down to Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, UK, and the Netherlands.


Still working on what our next question should be. I haven't decided.

[Caymanmew]

ok here a good one i think


is lackattack in spain, Portugal, or Italy?

[The Neon Peon]

is lackattack in spain, Portugal, or Italy?

Add France... it has similar architecture in parts of it.

[Incandenza]

What about "is lack in a country that borders the Mediterranean"? If yes, then he's in France, Spain, or Italy, if no it's Portugal, Holland, or the UK.

[ljex]

What about "is lack in a country that borders the Mediterranean"? If yes, then he's in France, Spain, or Italy, if no it's Portugal, Holland, or the UK.

i second this question

[wcaclimbing]

Just a question to 72o. Not one of the questions, just a clarification on how the game works.
Is it safe to assume that islands in the Mediterranean are included with whatever country owns them? For example, Corsica is part of France. If we asked if Lack was in France, would Corsica be included in 'France' or would you consider it separate? Same with all the other Mediterranean islands.


Now back to the game,

First off, I DO NOT SECOND this.

What about "is lack in a country that borders the Mediterranean"? If yes, then he's in France, Spain, or Italy, if no it's Portugal, Holland, or the UK.

i second this question

I think it would be better ask "Is Lack in Italy or Spain", because those two countries seem like are best guesses at the moment. It will lead to the same number of expected guesses as splitting into two groups of three, but should give us a better chance of being right, because these two seem like the best candidate countries right now.
Or we could change it and guess whatever two places we think have the best chance of being right.

In this spoiler box, I was just trying to figure out if having our first question split the countries into two groups of three, or a group of two and a group of four, would be a better way to determine which country it was. Turns out that the number of questions needed is the same for either way.
Click if you feel like reading the math behind it.

Spoiler

If we split the group of six countries into two groups of three, that means we will always have at least one more question after that to determine which country it is.
After that first question, we would know which set of three the country is in. Then we would have a 33% chance of guessing which of the three it is, meaning we only needed one additional question to determine the country. And a 66% chance that our guess is wrong and we need to make another guess to determine which of the three it is, meaning two additional questions after the initial two-groups-of-three question.
This means that our expected number of additional guesses after the two-groups-of-three question is 1.66 more guesses to determine the country.

Now, if we split it into a group of four and two,
We will have a 33% chance that our country is one of the two we select. And since there are only two countries in that pair, that means only one additional question is needed to determine the country.
The chance that our country is not one of the two is 66%. and since there are four options left, that means, no matter what, we need two questions to determine which one it is.
With all of that, we again expect 1.66 guesses to determine which country it is.

Because the chance of finding the correct country is the same with either path, I suggest we ask "Is Lack in Italy or Spain", because those two countries seem like are best guesses at the moment.

[urbansloth]

What about "is lack in a country that borders the Mediterranean"? If yes, then he's in France, Spain, or Italy, if no it's Portugal, Holland, or the UK.

Might be worth refining that to "Is Lack ON the Med...?"

My guess is East coast of Spain somewhere. Looking at the shadow from the gate, this is most likely some time during summer (high sun), and (obviously depending on time of day) but looking somewhere between East and South. I think the sun is too high for it to be looking any further "clockwise" than that.

The windows blow my theory though - I saw more of that influence in Portugal, but the sun/angle thing means the water can't be to the west....but then again there are a million exceptions to the rules of localised architecture - and I wouldn't say I'm the most observant person in the world!

[AgentSmith88]

looks like italy to me.....

[wcaclimbing]

So does anyone want to second "Is Lack in Italy or Spain" ?

[sfhbballnut]

So does anyone want to second "Is Lack in Italy or Spain" ?

lol, this looks interesting, I'll second that wca